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jamming M&P 15-22
TOok my rifle out shooting yesterday for the first time. Used Remington bulk ammo. Had several jams. Hoping it was ammo. anyone have a good bulk ammo to suggest?
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I shoot federal....what kind of jam was it?
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Jerry, glad to see you bought it and make it over here from the truck site. there is a list of recommended and non recommended ammo in your manual. CCIs work pretty darn good. Have never had an issue.
You find all those coyotes on your land?
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Federal GameShok
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I just bought some bulk American Eagle for Midway but have shot any yet.
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Federal Ammunition for me works every time. Copper plated. Not as dirty. Gun eats it up like crazy.
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i have roughly 6000 rounds of walmart federal 550 bulk ammo through my 15 22 i just had her out today and she ran flawless like always i live in indiana and i can get a federal 550 pack from the walmart by my house for 16.00 dollars not to get off topic but has anyone ran there 15 22 on multiple range trips without cleaning i want to test the reliabilty of my rifle
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I'm on three or so range trips about a couple hundred rounds each...
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i have roughly 6000 rounds of walmart federal 550 bulk ammo through my 15 22 i just had her out today and she ran flawless like always i live in indiana and i can get a federal 550 pack from the walmart by my house for 16.00 dollars not to get off topic but has anyone ran there 15 22 on multiple range trips without cleaning i want to test the reliabilty of my rifle
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I normally put 1,000 rounds or more through my .22s before cleaning. Never found more frequent cleaning to be necessary.
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Jerry, glad to see you bought it and make it over here from the truck site. there is a list of recommended and non recommended ammo in your manual. CCIs work pretty darn good. Have never had an issue.
You find all those coyotes on your land?
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CCI Mini-Mag
Aguila Super Extra Std. Velocity
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Winchester Super-X High Velocity
I just bought some bulk American Eagle for Midway but have shot any yet.
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Federal Ammunition for me works every time. Copper plated. Not as dirty. Gun eats it up like crazy.
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Im on around 3000rds of the Federal 550 boxes with no cleaning. No issues at all. Probably close to 8000rds with no failures at all. The rifle REALLLY love the CCI Tactical 22, when I want to get very accurate.
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Im on around 3000rds of the Federal 550 boxes with no cleaning. No issues at all. Probably close to 8000rds with no failures at all. The rifle REALLLY love the CCI Tactical 22, when I want to get very accurate.
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So it appears that everyone is telling me to go with the federal. Has anyone used the remington bulk ammo before and had the same probleming with the ammo failing to feed?
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I normally put 1,000 rounds or more through my .22s before cleaning. Never found more frequent cleaning to be necessary.
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I clean always after each shoot. Just in case there is a long time between shoots. My sons and I always have a "gun cleaning party" after.....I guess it's a "bonding" thing. That's something I got used to doing as a youngster with my grandfather...
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[QUOTE=hackts;136360967]I clean always after each shoot. Just in case there is a long time between shoots. [quote]
Time between shoots really isn't a factor, IMHO. All that is really necessary between shoots is to run a couple of patches through the bore and blow out any unburned power in the action. You can also clean the bolt face, if you want. Anything more really isn't necessary unless you have gone through several thousand rounds. I DO wipe down exposed metal surfaces with a silicone rag before putting any firearm away.
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By the way, the failure to feeds that I had with the remington ammo, it was like the gun was trying to feed to rounds at once. everytime it happened I would pull the clip and one extra cartiridge would try to hang up in the port. Strange.
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[QUOTE=Majorlk;136360989][QUOTE=hackts;136360967]I clean always after each shoot. Just in case there is a long time between shoots.
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Time between shoots really isn't a factor, IMHO. All that is really necessary between shoots is to run a couple of patches through the bore and blow out any unburned power in the action. You can also clean the bolt face, if you want. Anything more really isn't necessary unless you have gone through several thousand rounds. I DO wipe down exposed metal surfaces with a silicone rag before putting any firearm away.
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I was just taking into account storage....With several firearms, I don't get a chance to fire them all in rotation. So I just clean and lightly coat them for their preservation...
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By the way, the failure to feeds that I had with the remington ammo, it was like the gun was trying to feed to rounds at once. everytime it happened I would pull the clip and one extra cartiridge would try to hang up in the port. Strange.
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Just a nit to pick; it's a magazine, not a clip.
That said, are you following the directions in the manual as regards to loading the magazine? Simply pulling the loading button down and dropping a handful of rounds into the magazine will cause feeding problems most of the time,
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Jerry, Take a look at the notable threads at the top of the 15-22 forum. There is a link to a video on magazine loading. That might be part of your problem - and it is a fairly common problem. As for Remington Golden Bullet bulk pack, there are those who say they are garbage and that the S&W manual says not to use them. I think the reference is back to when Rem put a sort of sticky lube coating on the bullets, cases and all. The recent production has not had that coating on it. I use a lot of Win 555, Fed, and Rem bulk packs and have had occassional stove pipes or failures to feed on all of them. The most trouble free for me has been the Win, then the Rem with the most trouble from the Federals - but like I said, very little trouble overall with any of them.
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[QUOTE=hackts;136360995][QUOTE=Majorlk;136360989]
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I clean always after each shoot. Just in case there is a long time between shoots.
I was just taking into account storage....With several firearms, I don't get a chance to fire them all in rotation. So I just clean and lightly coat them for their preservation...
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I hear you. If you don't plan to shoot again for several weeks or even months, a detail cleaning IS a good idea. For those firearms I don't shoot regularly I do pull them out of the vault about every 90 days and do a silicone rag wipe down.
I'm not trying to discourage you from cleaning, just saying that you don't, under normal circumstances, need to get anal about it. Of course, getting the kids to do the work isn't a bad idea, either.
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I hear you. If you don't plan to shoot again for several weeks or even months, a detail cleaning IS a good idea. For those firearms I don't shoot regularly I do pull them out of the vault about every 90 days and do a silicone rag wipe down.
I'm not trying to discourage you from cleaning, just saying that you don't, under normal circumstances, need to get anal about it. Of course, getting the kids to do the work isn't a bad idea, either.
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Agreed and understood....I really think for me it boils down to spending more quality time with my sons after the range time at the cleaning bench.....hopefully passing along some tradition...
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Agreed and understood....I really think for me it boils down to spending more quality time with my sons after the range time at the cleaning bench.....hopefully passing along some tradition...
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Any time with the kids is good time, well spent.
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i had the same EXACT problem as you with remington and whinchester ammo. i have since put 1000 rounds of federal 550 thru mine with hardly any problems. with the other rem/win i could hardly get thru a magazine. go with the feds
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Just a nit to pick; it's a magazine, not a clip.
That said, are you following the directions in the manual as regards to loading the magazine? Simply pulling the loading button down and dropping a handful of rounds into the magazine will cause feeding problems most of the time,
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Just a nit to pick; It may be a magazine, but I refer to it as a clip.
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Just a nit to pick; It may be a magazine, but I refer to it as a clip.
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A lot of people incorrectly do too. I just figure they don't actually know what a clip is
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Just a nit to pick; It may be a magazine, but I refer to it as a clip.
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I've had great luck with Federal Bulk from Walmart in both of my 15-22's.
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After my Performance Center 15-22 started jamming I switched to CCI AR Tactical .22. Have run nothing but them and ZERO issuues.
Great info here:
CCI AR Tactical ammo
Midway has them for $22.99 for a box of 375. Can be found cheaper but I like Midway's quick shipping. I bought 10 boxes.
CCI webpage makes reference to specifically tested for M&P15-22:
CCI Ammunition - Product Detail
Good luck . . .
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Thanks to all who answered my original question. I'm going to try some federal bulk and if that doesn't work, i'm going to go to CCI. As for the nitpickers, i'm 40 years old and been shooting since I was 6. So I know the difference between clips and mags. Sorry that my use of the term"clip"upsets you. Clip clip clip lol. Geeezzzz, ease up.
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So it appears that everyone is telling me to go with the federal. Has anyone used the remington bulk ammo before and had the same probleming with the ammo failing to feed?
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I have ~ 1100 rounds of Walley World Rem. Golden Bullets.
Bought~ $8.00 a 550 box years ago.
From experince I only use it in my bolt .22's. Even then it is bad.
Don't know why Rem Bulk .22lr is so bad???
About all I buy now is CCI Mini-Mags. 40 grain copper plated round nose - HV 1235fps.
Federal American Eagle seems to work also,
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I have a Winchesrer model 190 that will shot anything I put in it.
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Nobody's "upset"; some people just like to use correct terminology.
That said, there are a couple of different "Federal Bulk" rounds. The red box has 550 rounds and the blue box has 525 rounds. There's a difference, but offhand I don't remember what it is. All I have shot for plinking the last few years is the blue box. I just put another 300 rounds of it through the 15-22 this afternoon. In 2,000+ rounds I have had two fire failures and those both shot on the second try; no other difficulties.
I have a box of the CCI Tactical that I am loading magazines with this evening to see if there is any appreciable difference in accuracy in my firearm. The Federal Champion routinely groups under an inch at 25 yards and a little more at 50. I haven't checked group sizes at longer distances.
I hope the ammo change solves your problem.
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Watch the vid on loading. And watch the rim placement. The rim of every round you put in should go in front of the previous. If not the bolt will have to pull the top rounds rim over the one under it. Can cause nosediving of top round and cause jams.
I stay away from Remington golds in the 15-22. Hollow seems too big and lots of loose lead. Not to mention you get sparkly Twilight fingers.
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About three weeks ago I bought the 15-22. I have at least 1200 rounds through it. I've tried all the ammo that is recommended in the instructions. I didn't have any problems with any ammo.
However, the first time I went I had an issue with the trigger returning real slow. It was just lack of lube. It hasn't happened since.
Today I bought two more mags because in NY there is a ten round limit. They were S&W mags. These new mags were very sticky and the first round kind of got stuck a couple times. I think if they break in or I lube them alittle they will be fine.
So, so far so good with the gun and the recommended ammo. Using mostly Federal, 550 rounds for $25, thats about 4.5cents per round.
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Don't "lube" your mags. Clean them if needed, but lube can cause build up and/or get on the ammo which could cause ammo problems if it breaches inside. If anything I guess dry graphite could be used on the follower. Personally I just take mine apart and wipe them down from time to time.
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That said, there are a couple of different "Federal Bulk" rounds. The red box has 550 rounds and the blue box has 525 rounds. There's a difference, but offhand I don't remember what it is. .
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I wondered that myself. Comparing the two rounds they visually look exactly the same. Federal's web site shows exactly the same velocity, energy, etc.
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my owners manual is pretty specific as to DO NOT use remington ammo....
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my owners manual is pretty specific as to DO NOT use remington ammo....
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Unless your manual is different than mine, the manual doesn't say DO NOT; it says DOES NOT RECOMMEND. The two statements are not synonymous.
Despite the DNR from S&W, lots of shooters here report no problems with Remington, just a lots of folks report problems with Federal.
Each firearm is a law unto itself as to which ammo it likes or doesn't like.
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Unless your manual is different than mine, the manual doesn't say DO NOT; it says DOES NOT RECOMMEND. The two statements are not synonymous.
Despite the DNR from S&W, lots of shooters here report no problems with Remington, just a lots of folks report problems with Federal.
Each firearm is a law unto itself as to which ammo it likes or doesn't like.
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ok...then YOU use the ammo thats NOT recommended i'll steer clear of it
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ok...then YOU use the ammo thats recommended i'll steer clear of it
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I was (1) simply correcting an oft-repeated mis-quote of the manual and (2) stating the FACT that many shooters here do use Remingtons without problems.
Don't know what your problem is.
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Most of the comments I read about Feds are positive. OTOH, lots of negatives about Rems. Not just re. 15-22s, but many firearms as well.
Personally, if it said Rem on it I wouldn't use it if it was given to me for free. I can live with a "few" duds, but 15% duds are unacceptable and even one hangfire is enough to make me talk trash for years!
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i'm with you jim....my manual says it does not work...many here have tried it with the same result...thats enough fo me
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Well, it was the ammo. changed to blazer brand and not a single jam. Man this is a fun little shooting gun.
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I was (1) simply correcting an oft-repeated mis-quote of the manual and (2) stating the FACT that many shooters here do use Remingtons without problems.
Don't know what your problem is.
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His problem was probably the same as mine was when you corrected my word usage regarding what the manual says about Remmington ammo.
No said 'and I quote', they just referenced the manual and they way it disfavors the Remmington golden bullets. Period.
I'll leave splitting hairs to the Beautician across the street.
Every one got a manual with their 15-22 and they can break it out on their own if they want it in verbatim.
As far as those that use it with no issue, more power to them. If someone says their rifle is jamming, oh and I'm using the Remmington Golden Bullets..... Well then...
I'm in the crowd, mostly likely the largest crowd ever, on the face of the planet, that won't get any more golden bullets. I have over a dozen 22's, rifle and pistols, and only the Remington 597 got along with them, albeit marginally at best.
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As far as those that use it with no issue, more power to them. If someone says their rifle is jamming, oh and I'm using the Remmington Golden Bullets..... Well then...
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I don't disagree with this statement at all. That would be my first guess, as well. I seldom used them in a semi-auto, but I shot a lot of it back in the 70s in revolvers and bolt actions and never had a problem with performance. Today's production may be another matter altogether, but that does not negate the fact that many folks posting here indicate it functions fine for them.
As for splitting hairs about the wording in the manual, yea, I do that. I was taught to be accurate when quoting and try very hard to do so, especially when the mis-quote changes the meaning of a statement. Much of the mis-information on the Internet comes from inaccurate information that gets accepted as fact because no one challenges it. I try to correct that, especially for people who are new to whatever the subject is. If more of it was done, we wouldn't have people calling bullets "tips" or "heads", calling plated bullets "jacketed" and similar nonsense that has become popular over the last few years.
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I wondered that myself. Comparing the two rounds they visually look exactly the same. Federal's web site shows exactly the same velocity, energy, etc.
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The fed champion blue box ammo I have are hollow points. The red box ammo is not.
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03-15-2012, 06:11 PM
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The fed champion blue box ammo I have are hollow points. The red box ammo is not.
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Thanks for that information; I just learned something new.
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03-15-2012, 06:18 PM
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Your welcome. I thought they were the same too till I opened the box last month. I had it for about a year and didnt know, and it even says hollow points on the box I have but I dont remember reading it .
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Glad you got it figured out jerry. Now go out there and get some Coyotes for this site.
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I have the slidefire stock; 50 Round drum ect on mine and remington thunderbolt 40 grain non plated round nose bullets work flawlessly. CCI mini mags tend to have light primer strikes. 500 round for around $20 too.
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