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Old 02-19-2012, 03:31 PM
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went to a gun show and bought a UTG model 15 foldable foregrip for 20 bucks. Put it on and this thing moves an 1/8 of an inch if not a little more each way. Are foregrips supposed to do this? I dont like it. Can anyone recomend a decent foregrip that wont break the bank, less than 50 bucks. thanks for yuore time.
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MagPul Angled ForeGrip, AFG2. $35.
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+1 on the Magpul AFG (1 or 2).
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+2 on the AFG (2 here). Feels really natural once you try it.

However, I also have a vertical grip for close-in shots, so my lower rail has an AFG2 near the business end and the RVG behind that, in front of the mag well.

RVG would be a good choice for a vertical - compact, with a nice oval profile in the hand and also allows use of the thumb-over grip.


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The AFG feels quirky and uncomfortable to me,, for me its a complete waist of money cause u can just hold the had guard if that's how u want your hand,,,,, now the RVG is very comfortable in the hand and for me when shooting for double taped groups nothing compares to a VG
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The AFG feels quirky and uncomfortable to me
Me too. I'm more comfortable holding my covered rails without an AFG.

I now have an AFG2 in my parts box. Whenever I get around to building a railed major caliber AR, I'll try it out again.
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Me too. I'm more comfortable holding my covered rails without an AFG.
That's what makes life so much fun; different strokes for different folks.

Having shot other people's firearms I decided long ago I don't like vertical grips. No-grip is OK (I don't have any on any other rifles) but on the 15-22 the AFG2 feels more comfortable for my style of shooting.
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Me too. I'm more comfortable holding my covered rails without an AFG.

I now have an AFG2 in my parts box. Whenever I get around to building a railed major caliber AR, I'll try it out again.
hell i let mine go to a friend on an even swap for a grip pod lol
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After many foregrips and positions, I have decided I don't like any of them. My preferred method is now a handstop positioned on the 9 o'clock rail. I position my support hand so that the webbing between my thumb and index finger is pushed against it, and I find I have a lot of control and it is extremely comfortable.

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I bought the magpul afg2. It dosent fit tight on my 15-22 either it "wiggles" forward and back a little.
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I bought the magpul afg2. It dosent fit tight on my 15-22 either it "wiggles" forward and back a little.
Then you haven't tightened it up properly.
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I bought a dirt cheap generic one from amazon it lacks spit and polish but fits my hand great and doesnt budge any.

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+1 for Magpul RVG and Grip pod. Had the AFG 1 and sold it for a profit :-)

Awesome grip but wasn't right for me.
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Then you haven't tightened it up properly.
You were right. When I first put it on I only had a small srewdriver and didnt want to strip anything out.

I dug out a large flat-tip and tightend the screw more and now it dosent move at all
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You were right. When I first put it on I only had a small srewdriver and didnt want to strip anything out.

I dug out a large flat-tip and tightend the screw more and now it dosent move at all
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Knights Armament forward handgrip. (USGI)
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Question... Magpul AFG1 or AFG2 which to buy.
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Question... Magpul AFG1 or AFG2 which to buy.
The original has been discontinued. The only one MagPul offers now is the AFG2.
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Old 02-21-2012, 12:19 PM
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Any foregrip i have attached to the 22 has had a little wobble. To solve the problem i just ran 2 pieces of electrical tape, one on top of the other right over the rails where you want the forgrip to sit. It jams it in place a little and is a little harder to take on and off but i figure beggers cant be choosers. I also have an AFG2 on mine and love it. I use the short utg quik release on my bushmaster and love that also. choices choices....
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I had the AFG2 and it was really tight on my 15-22 btw.
But i replaced it with a RVG. I still hold the gun with a afg-kinda grip, but it fits my hand a lot better.
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If used properly, the AFG's are very comfortable for a lot of people I shoot with. If you shoot your gun with your stock fully collapsed, you probably won't have enough rail space to get the AFG out there where it's intended to be unless you have very short arms.

When using an AFG the way it is intended to be used, your left arm (if right handed) should be pointing straight out with your elbow locked or almost locked. If you mount it further back you have to bend your wrist in an uncomfortable way, or choke up on the AFG.
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I'm running the Magpul MVG. I had it on my MOE forend, but ground off the orienting tabs and mounted it on my CASV-ELG. I like the MVG because it doesn't force me to mount a section of rail. Forgive the overly manly background.
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I have always been a fan of Pachmayr grips on handguns. I found this set of Tacstar grips (which is a sister company of Pachmayr) for about $34 for both front and rear grips. They feel great and you can position the front where ever you like and fold it up.
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im getting one for my self,,,,,
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Then you are probably not shooting at competitive speeds. I can't think of any speed/action shooters who use a VG. The ones that do don't grab the VG either but just use it as a stop to keep their off hand against. I tried a VG and the Magpul AFG. The later was fine when using a quad rail. But the hot setup is a bare free float handguard, grabbed right at the end (and use a longer one). I ended up replacing the original polymer quad rail handguard with a Nordic 1.62" alloy FFHG from their NC22. I watched both BJ Norris and Jerry Miculek and they wrapped 1-2 fingers around the end of a rifle length FFHG when shooting either an AR15-22 or an AR w/.22 upper. I found I like grabbing the end of the handguard and wrapping my index finger around the end below the barrel and the other fingers around the barrel of the handguard. This produces the fastest transitions and a rock steady hold that you can snap to the next target. I would not use this hold for precision shooting but for action shooting like 3-gun, Multi-gun, Zombie shoots, USPSA rimfire type matches, Steel Challenge, and Ruger Rimfire Challenge, this works the best.
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Then you are probably not shooting at competitive speeds. I can't think of any speed/action shooters who use a VG. The ones that do don't grab the VG either but just use it as a stop to keep their off hand against. I tried a VG and the Magpul AFG. The later was fine when using a quad rail. But the hot setup is a bare free float handguard, grabbed right at the end (and use a longer one). I ended up replacing the original polymer quad rail handguard with a Nordic 1.62" alloy FFHG from their NC22. I watched both BJ Norris and Jerry Miculek and they wrapped 1-2 fingers around the end of a rifle length FFHG when shooting either an AR15-22 or an AR w/.22 upper. I found I like grabbing the end of the handguard and wrapping my index finger around the end below the barrel and the other fingers around the barrel of the handguard. This produces the fastest transitions and a rock steady hold that you can snap to the next target. I would not use this hold for precision shooting but for action shooting like 3-gun, Multi-gun, Zombie shoots, USPSA rimfire type matches, Steel Challenge, and Ruger Rimfire Challenge, this works the best.
Guess some one should tell these guys that the grip pod is just a waist of rail space and that there doing it wrong,,, that using them is hurting there ability to accurately shoot fast






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Guess some one should tell these guys that the grip pod is just a waist of rail space and that there doing it wrong,,, that using them is hurting there ability to accurately shoot fast







US soldiers aren't immune to wanting to look cool and their methods aren't always ideal for someone who shoots competitively or for fun.


None of those pics show them using the VFG's while actually shooting. They don't even deploy the pop-out bi pods when shooting prone. That first guy has two VFG's. He's obviously a super bada$$.
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I don't use forward grips on any of my ARs.
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Military usage and civilian matches often have little in common.
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For the price it's hard to beat the AFG or RVG, especially on a 15-22. There's nothing wrong with shooting without a foregrip of any kind, it's mainly personal preference.
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well i went and got it,,, check it out,,, i love it,,, money well spent

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Maybe a dumb question but is there a point to the "folding" feature? Is it just to get it out of the way when storing or transporting or is there a function while using as well?
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Maybe a dumb question but is there a point to the "folding" feature? Is it just to get it out of the way when storing or transporting or is there a function while using as well?
I think storage is the main reason,,, as with the grip pod these are a lil on the long side,,,,, but I shot it today holing it in the folded position and that's suprisingly comfortable too..... So it can be used folded but I think its meant mostly for storage
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Can you fold it partially and use it as an AFG?
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u could but it doesnt lock in that postion
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I have always been a fan of Pachmayr grips on handguns. I found this set of Tacstar grips (which is a sister company of Pachmayr) for about $34 for both front and rear grips. They feel great and you can position the front where ever you like and fold it up.
Where did you buy these grips from for 34.00?
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Where did you buy these grips from for 34.00?
I just looked it up. It was actually $36.50, not $34 that I paid for them. I was going off of the top of my head when I posted that. I got them on Amazon.com.
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After many foregrips and positions, I have decided I don't like any of them. My preferred method is now a handstop positioned on the 9 o'clock rail. I position my support hand so that the webbing between my thumb and index finger is pushed against it, and I find I have a lot of control and it is extremely comfortable.

You should look at the Ergo Surestop tactical rail hand stop. Like the one you have done, only better. I used that plus a Magpul AFG on my competition AR15-22 for awhile. Mounted the AFG on the bottom rail forward. Put the Surestop at 90 degrees left and mounted it so when my hand fit in the curved part my fingers were perfectly aligned on the AFG. That was the setup that allowed my to win the fall Steel Challenge Carbine division at York , PA last year, shooting a time that only one shooter managed to beat with any firearm in the match (a sponsored shooter).

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Guess some one should tell these guys that the grip pod is just a waist of rail space and that there doing it wrong,,, that using them is hurting there ability to accurately shoot fast






It probably is hurting their times depending on what they are doing. The only time a vertical grip makes perfect sense is when shooting an M4 carbine in combat, especially full auto. Combat is different. You often have to shoot from cover. Pretty hard to shoot from cover if you have to have your off hand way out on the end of the tube. But if you are shooting steel, paper, whatever in an action match or in a static position match the only thing that counts is transition speed. In that case a VG will slow you down, even if you don't realize it. Of the current and former USAMU guys I know who shoot 3-gun and such none use a VG either (JJ Racaza, KC Eusebio).
I have a VG but I seldom use it. I have timed myself with various configurations and it is slower. Mainly in keeping the sight picture while moving from target to target. BJ Norris actually rolls his off hand almost onto the top of the tube at the end. Me I have a bad left wrist from a motorcycle roadracing crash back in 1975 and can't turn it over that far so I don't. Perception is often wrong. Without some kind of empirical test you can't know what is the best way. That is why those of us who compete, at whatever level, always own or have access to a timer. Because you might think one way is good and it might not be.
Never believe what anybody else does is correct unless you try it yourself. Somebody may be doing it one way for different reasons than you think. So you ask and then try it.
And just because it is better than what you did before does not make it the best way to do it, it is just better than what you did before. Things evolve all the time.
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