I am getting ready to buy a new trigger for the M&P 15-22. The purpose I am looking for is a crisp trigger that will allow for fun when I occasionally use the Slide Fire stock.

Two options at this point:
- Timney 3lb trigger
- Geissele S3G trigger

My only concern is light primer strikes; thoughts?

I am getting ready to hit the buy button. Looking for random internet advice, solicited from sources that I cannot validate to be creditable.

Thanks,
Mike

i had the 3lb timney in my precision ar and loved the hell out of it,,, it would work on cheap steel case ammo with hard primers and every thing else i tired and it did work on a bull barrel .22lr upper i did have.


when money allows i will be getting this same trigger for my Performance Center 15-22

Just FYI, I'm running a Geissele SSA (not the 'E' version) in my 15-22, with JP Yellow springs, which were left over from my first tinkerings with the stock trigger unit.

Runs extremely sweetly, with no light strikes - and I certainly wouldn't want a lighter trigger for the tactical comps we run at my club.


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You might also take a look at the Jard, single-stage triggers - half the cost of the Timney and Geissele.

I put an adjustable Jard in my 15-22 and the 1.5 pound spring gives me a 2.5 pound pull with no creep. I could probably go lighter if I wanted to reduce the sear engagement to the minimum.

I run a non-adjustable Jard in my 5.56, and intended to fit one up to my 15-22 when I got it last summer. Even though the 15-22's trigger runs about 6 pounds it wasn't all that bad for fast drills in stock configuration. I did throw in the yellow springs which took off a pound's weight, but then got some light strikes.

The odd thing is that for the same kinds of shooting I really like the 3# pull on the 5.56. The 6# stock trigger on the .22 suits me just fine. Most of my firing is quick work from low ready on a 1/2 size reduced target, such as 3.0 sec from 50 yards, 2.0 from 25, 1.25 from l5, and 1.0 from 7 yards. I think the lighter weight of the .22 and the float of the carbine has something to do with the heavier trigger giving me better control at speed. Odd, but it works.

At any rate I really like shooting the little guy.

My Timney 3# in my 15-22 is the cleanest trigger I've ever shot. It's deceptive; the trigger gives good resistance and breaks like glass with no creep and very liitle travel. In all of my firing and incessant drills I've never mistakenly engaged the trigger. Installed on my 5.56? It made my groups shrink by half. Love it!

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If you want a drop in trigger the Timneys are about the best you can get. If you are shooting speed events there is nothing, except the AT Gold in my opinion, in the same class as the Geissele Super 3-Gun. If you are more concerned with things like creep and such there are several decent triggers out there from various venders. But nothing I know of currently resets as fast or has as short a lockup as the S3G. If you have not tried one then you likely don't know a lot about speed triggers. I can turn blazing times in some of the common speed drills used for Steel Challenge. With the original RRA 2-stage + JP springs I found my trigger finger was faster than the RRA trigger could reset. So sometimes it lockup and failed to reset. With the S3G I have no problems. With the JP springs added my trigger gauge reads that it breaks at about 1.25#, so I may go back to the factory Geissele springs for safety rerasons. But I have not had a single light strike with the JP springs using either Fed 550 or CCI-MM 40g.
I do not know about the Slide-Fire as our club does not allow any type of bump fire mechanisms on club grounds unless you want your membership revoked.

Go with the Timney !! They have been in this business for years and years and know what works and they know what they are doing....best regards Plum

So about a week ago i was at a local gun show and a dealer there had both of the ones you are looking at. I explained to him that I had the 15-22 and I had the slide fire stock.

He told me to go with the Timney 3lbs. The Timney is a single stage trigger and has almost no creep to it. Compared to a 2 stage which has movement before the trigger is tripped. The dealer said to go with the timney for this reason. He said the 15-22 will run great with the timney.

So I bought it. I was previously using the stock trigger with JP yellow springs. I probably have about 8-10,000 rounds through with that trigger so its self polished. I could only get half mag dumps out of the slide fire.

With the Timney it runs the full mag with ease.

go with the timney

Thank you for the feedback. I purchased a Timney 3LB trigger for 187.00. It comes tomorrow!

Thanks,
Mike

You won't be disappointed. Ive beat the hell out of mine. I installed the KNS Gen 2 anti walk pins today. My friggin pins kept falling out from all the vibration. All I can say is that they are a must have. A little pricey compared to the others but when you put them on you know what's up. Rock Solid!

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Thanks for the heads up on the KNS pins. I found that they make them specifically for the M&P 15-22; but they have two versions - whats the difference?

M&P15-22 Non-Rotate Trigger/Hammer Pins (GEN 2) Black

vs.

M&P15-22 Non-Rotate Trigger/Hammer Pins (GEN 2 MOD 2) Black

What is the MOD 2 mean?

Google'd a few things - found out the difference to my question above is the exterior retainer piece. Gen 2 MOD 2 is a skinny version compared to the fat Gen 2.

Gen 2 MOD 2:


Gen 2:

He is probably correct in general. But did he have both triggers setup so you could feel them in use? Does not sound like it. If he did you would likely have realized the S3G has no detectable 2nd stage when pulling it. It is a sudden trigger not one with a perceived point when you know it will go off. Been described by 3-gun shooters as a ball bearing trigger. 30 rounds in 4 seconds is what it can do in a 3-gun match. That is equal to 450 rds/min. Bump firing it might be able to go even faster.
Anyway sounds like you got your problem fixed.

Actually he did have both set up in dummy guns. I guess what I was trying to say is that with the single stage the trigger has very little movement before it goes off. Where the 2 stage has the travel during the first stage. Both triggers had a great feel, but with using the slide stock I think the shorter the trigger has to move the better.

They are good triggers but SOCOM uses Geissele triggers and the guy who writes the Competition AR books prefers the Geissele as the best trigger he has used at the time the book was printed (2010 I think) even though he has plenty of builds using other tiggers including the Timneys. Just depends on what you want the trigger to do. Some types of triggers are better at some types of shooting. You would not put a trigger designed for National Match Rifle competition in a 3-gun AR build.

I recorded both in 1080p; watch it in YouTube for a better quality video.



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Timney trigger and the Slide Fire Stock work well!

Didn't read the whole thread.

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I use the Giessele SSA in my primary AR (Noveske) and will be putting one in the 15-22 at some point. The Giessele is the best 2 stage (for my purposes) that I have tried.

I have the Giessele Super Dynamic Enhanced ($235) on my Daniel Defense and not only I love the 2 stage light trigger, but also the cool looking straight design of the trigger.
It feels better to me, as it increases the hand to trigger distance slightly for my big hands.

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Where did you get the timney for $180 if I may ask? Have the same issue and would like to buy one! Thanks in advance

Also I noticed some are small pin for .154 recievers only, I am assuming I shouldn't buy that one.....correct?

I just went to the range again tonight and sent another 400 rounds down range. I seriously need an autoloader of some sort. I also purchased a MOE V Grip and it worked quite well. Full auto or bursts anytime I wanted. I still had a decent amount of FTF; about 1 per magazine. I did have two full drums (50 rnds) go without hitch - thats what drew the audience at the range.

In regards to the trigger, you want model #667S . This is the .154 pins. The larger pins are for the older Colts. I purchased mine at Midwest Gun Works:

Timney AR-15 Small Pin 3 Pound Solid Trigger: MGW

Ordered: 1 Shipped: 1 TIM667S Timney AR-15 Small Pin 3 Pound Solid Trigger $184.23

It looks like they just sold out. I see you can get them here as well:

Timney Triggers AR-15 Competition

Not sure if it is instock there or not.

Make sure you buy this as well; KNS non-rotate trigger pins:

M&P15-22 Non-Rotate Trigger/Hammer Pins (GEN 2 MOD 2) Black

Buy it from there as the pins are different sizes than normal AR15 lowers; the one I linked is made for the S&W M&P15-22.

If you don't buy the KNS pins, you will have to screw the set screws of the Timney into the poly frame - which isn't good as it doesn't hold all that well... then your trigger pins fall out.

Nice! I think I'm going to buy the one below that one. SDC?

Can't help with the small pin part but it appears he is looking at E. Arthur Brown Company. They have them for $184.

$12 Fu#k%^& shipping and $33 for 2 stupid pins? So in order for my slide fire to work your telling me 200 on a new trigger which I can barely swallow, then another $50 on 2 pins! There has to be a better way!

You don't have to do this. People have been successful just screwing the set screws into the frame to hold tension on the trigger pins. The problem is that the frame is polymer and the set screws will bend the trigger guard if you set them too deep. It is a balance - resistance against the trigger pins vs. tension against the polymer frame.

The pins are worth it. Take the advice and use them.

Mike

I know, my problem is i been buying all this stuff within a month. Good news is I found em on joeboboutfitters. Com for 27 and I all ready had the new frontier polymer frame on order from them so hopefully they can just through it on there with my free shipping. Thanks for all the info guys!
S&W M&P 15-22-$450 Slide Fire SBS- $380 Timney 3lb Trigger-$180 KNS anti rotation pins $27 Shooting a .22lr at the range with a gigantic smile on my face and everyone wondering, what the heck is that...... Priceless!

Be warned - make sure they are the model # I gave you above. The M&P 15-22 is a different overall width than a normal AR lower. Therefore, the pins are a different size and made special for this gun.

Also - I ordered the SBS SSAR15 stock from bumpfires.com; it was $360.00 shipped. I know there are a few other vendors who sell them near dealer cost ($320.00). Save money in the right places and get the correct pieces.

KNS Precision Gen2 Mod2 Trigger Group Pins- For Smith and Wesson M&P15-22
These ya?

And as far as the slide fire, ya its the newer version, the SBS, which costs 370 on their site and another 11 for shipping, and looks alot better in my opinion. But I actually found it locally for $360, but had to pay tax, but I got to pay in all cash, just in case some day they are not so much on the up and up ya know? Figured $20 was worth keeping it off my CC and my name off any lists.

OOS EVERYWHERE! Got an email just sayin SWAF Outdoors is oos too. Anybody got a line on in stock timneys?

What about these JP

Competition Trigger AR-15 Small Pin .154 3 lb Single Stage Matte

Price looks good....

Lokking at Getting a Slide fire myself... Just cant decide on the Total $$$$ if its worth it



Stav

So you put it on a public forum.

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LOL


I just ordered this for my NEW Slide Fire Stock system

Competition Trigger AR-15 Small Pin .154 3 lb Single Stage Matte


Ill let ya all know how it Works...

Lol, well ya, I'm not gunna be anne frank about it. I can erase all this if it ever goes south, and if they still find me after erasing anonymous info on a random chatboard, then so be it, they obviously care more than i do.

I ordered the Slidefire Stock kit and it comes with the Timney Trigger so I think that the Timney Trigger would be the recommended trigger for the S&W 15/22 and Slidefire Stock so I would go with the Timney Trigger for the S&W M&P 15/22

must be Easter.....

now THIS is a resurrection

Rob

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CMC trigger with Slidefire is the way to go.