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Old 04-23-2012, 04:43 PM
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Has anyone changed there barrel yet ? Was wondering if someone has sent there's to S&W for a new barrel or maybe an after market one. Anybody know of a manufacture who makes one?
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Did you bend it?
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It is not as accurate is I want it to be so I guess you could say they bent it.
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Hello, i honestly think a new barrel could only improve the accuracy to a point that the cost could not be justified, many other things come into play for accuracy, a good barrel is just one of them, and a semi auto is handicapped from the getgo, besides according to s&w the barrels are already match grade.pghrich
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Has anyone changed there barrel yet ? Was wondering if someone has sent there's to S&W for a new barrel or maybe an after market one. Anybody know of a manufacture who makes one?

Afternoon Ammo dog2311

I sent mine back for an accuracy problem & S&W installed a new barrel, new bolt, & new springs. The new barrel had absolutely no effect on the poor accuracy as the gun came back shooting just as bad as it had before sending it in. Not only did it come back shooting no better but it came back with the trigger pull from hell (I had worked up a sweet trigger pull on it before sending it in)

I shot it for a while then sent it back again for both the accuracy issue & another problem. (3-1/2" to 4" groups at 50 yards). S&W says it is grouping normal so either they don't expect much from their 15-22 or they never shot it for groups at 50 yards.

It came back with the same inaccuracy issue (they did nothing this time) as well as the other problem not repaired so at the moment I am very dissatisfied with S&W's warranty repair as well as very dissatisfied with the S&W 15-22 in general. The only good part is it never jamms & shoots about any ammo, just very inaccurate @ 50 yards.

The cheap plastic receiver is so compliant on my 15-22 that just a little pressure on the grip or for-end drives the groups into wild patterns not even considered groups.

I have a 10-22 that I installed in a Nordic AR kit & that thing shoots 1/2" groups at the same 50 yards. I also have a bone stock dedicated .22 CMMG AR with nothing done but a trigger job & crown touch up & that thing shoots .60"-.75" groups all day long at 50 yards so needles to say the 15-22 sits in the cabinet as all it does is wastes ammo & continually misses a 2" disk at 50 yards.
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Hello wolverine, you must have a bad one or i have a good one, i am assuming you are shooting off a bench with sand bags, i can easily get 2 inch groups at 50 yards with cci blazer all day long rested on sand bags, now offhand everything changes, but on a good day i can do a 4 or 5 inch group at 50 yards, i could not be happier with my 15/22, pghrich
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I have a 10-22 that I installed in a Nordic AR kit & that thing shoots 1/2" groups at the same 50 yards. I also have a bone stock dedicated .22 CMMG AR with nothing done but a trigger job & crown touch up & that thing shoots .60"-.75" groups all day long at 50 yards so needles to say the 15-22 sits in the cabinet as all it does is wastes ammo & continually misses a 2" disk at 50 yards.
Boy, talk about comparing apples and oranges ... same deal for the accurized 10/22.
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Boy, talk about comparing apples and oranges ... same deal for the accurized 10/22.


Afternoon Majorlk

Actually I was thinking it was more like comparing apples to a LEMON.
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Hello wolverine, you must have a bad one or i have a good one, i am assuming you are shooting off a bench with sand bags, i can easily get 2 inch groups at 50 yards with cci blazer all day long rested on sand bags, now offhand everything changes, but on a good day i can do a 4 or 5 inch group at 50 yards, i could not be happier with my 15/22, pghrich
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I would really like to see a 15-22 shoot (consistent) 2" groups. So far the ones that have shown up at my local shooting range haven't been able to do that. I have seen them be able to shoot a 2" group but not consistently. Heck I have seen my 15-22 shoot a 3/4" group but that is one in a hundred tries.

So you are telling me that you can take your 15-22 that has sat all night, then you can take a 50 round box of CCI blazer's & put all 50 rounds in a 2" circle @ 50 yards (bench rested of course)?
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I have read some people got good ones. I guess I am one of the unlucky ones. I have tried most every brand of ammo except expensive match grade ammo. I thought it was me so I grabbed my model12 f/ tr and went to the range. It's not me..i guess I will take a shot in the dark and send it in to S&W and hope I got a good one back.

Hey wolverine, did they charge you ? If so how much ? Did you consider changing to a free float hand guard ?
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Helloo wolverine. I have never really tried what you just said; I have always just shot 5 or10 round groups at different spots. But I'll tell you what; next time I shoot I will try that and report back with all honestly of course.pghrich
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So you are telling me that you can take your 15-22 that has sat all night, then you can take a 50 round box of CCI blazer's & put all 50 rounds in a 2" circle @ 50 yards (bench rested of course)?
Yup, do it all the time. That's using a scope and not iron sights, just to be clear.
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Wow you must have the first one off the line. When was it born?
Latest Serial numbers on 15-22
Have any other long guns? You sure about it being 50yards

Ill give you 200.00 shipped for it. Then you have no more issues.
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$501!!!!!
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So you are telling me that you can take your 15-22 that has sat all night, then you can take a 50 round box of CCI blazer's & put all 50 rounds in a 2" circle @ 50 yards (bench rested of course)?
I can do the same.. just take a seat at the bench unload my bag and start shooting.
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Hey wolverine, did they charge you ? If so how much ? Did you consider changing to a free float hand guard ?



Morning Ammo dog2311

Yes, I have tried free floating the PRODUCTION plastic hand guard by simply removing the forward snap in cap. That actually made the thing shoot more scattered groups. I have also tried tightening the barrel nut. Have also tried removing the flash suppressor with not much change in the guns patterning of shots.

I have also tried re-crowning the barrel & playing with different magazines. Actually one of my magazines does seem to group just a bit better than the others.

I own a LOT of rifles & pistols & have been shooting since the early 1950's. It's not me-- not that I don't shoot an occasional bad shot but I can always call that shot as bad before it even hits the target. I have tried about everything I know gun-smith wise to make this 15-22 shoot & so far nothing has worked with any marked improvement.

I have accounted for about everything except the very soft & compliant upper receiver. That thing is so compliant that I can easily move the barrel in relation to the scope so at the moment my guess is my bad grouping is due to the soft plastic of the receiver allowing receiver /to/ barrel /to/ scope flexing.

On barrel cost? --No charge from S&W but they didn't do much either. I would be willing to bet no one at S&W took the time or effort to actually shoot the gun for 50 yard groups. Even if they did it didn't have a scope on it when sent in so they probably just bolted it tight in a fixture & that wouldn't show a true receiver flexing or compliance issue.

There are more than a few of these 15-22's that show up at my local shooting range & some of the groups that shooters claim they can shoot with their 15-22 are almost beyond belief. So far in every case none have been able to do it with me watching (makes me wonder!)
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Yup, do it all the time. That's using a scope and not iron sights, just to be clear.
Yep, mine will do it too! Scope, and bipod, 50 yds = 2", goes to 3.5"-4" at 100yds, and with virtually any ammo too, even with the dreaded Remington ammo!

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Good morning wolverine, sounds like you have tried everything.did you ask S&W to swap out the upper ? Maybe it's just a bad one.

It also amazes me that people say they shoot tight groups but can't do it when your watching. I am not saying everyone is full of BS but most are. If your goin to spout off about shooting sub moa groups like you were gunny hathcock then show me your trophy's.

When I was competing out in wester div. matches on the left coast, I saw lots of competitors shooting good groups in practice but not in the match. Some is saw, and lost to, shot better during the match then practice. I won't say how good I shoot till I can produce medals or trophy's. That's the only proof I need.
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Not to worry, Im sure the aftermarket will come up with one and take your money.
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Good morning wolverine, sounds like you have tried everything.did you ask S&W to swap out the upper ? Maybe it's just a bad one.

It also amazes me that people say they shoot tight groups but can't do it when your watching. I am not saying everyone is full of BS but most are. If your goin to spout off about shooting sub moa groups like you were gunny hathcock then show me your trophy's.

When I was competing out in wester div. matches on the left coast, I saw lots of competitors shooting good groups in practice but not in the match. Some is saw, and lost to, shot better during the match then practice. I won't say how good I shoot till I can produce medals or trophy's. That's the only proof I need.
Morning Again Ammo dog2311

Last time I sent the 15-22 back I suggested they look closely at the upper for being too soft & compliant. Apparently it fell on deaf ears.

In a follow up call to S&W tec support they basically told me that S&W doesn't guarantee accuracy so in so many words they politely told me that "it-is-what-it-is" & they can't or won't do anything further as far as accuracy is concerned.

If you read between the words it really sounds like basic lack of accuracy is an issue for S&W on the 15-22. If they only had a few that were inaccurate they would have addressed it with a return & proper repair. By saying they don't guarantee accuracy says a lot for the number of inaccurate 15-22's they must have out in the hands of shooters.

I suppose it is as much my problem as theirs as I knew the thing was very soft, compliant, & bendable before buying it. I looked at a few before buying & could move the barrel around in that soft upper plastic. I actually commented that I just don't see how it could be anywhere near accurate being that soft & having the barrel be displaced that easily. But it felt good when shouldered so I bought it anyway. I should have realized that if I could easily move the barrel around how could it ever be accurate & put all the bullets in the same spot on every shot.

The trophy thing as proof is a good idea as anybody can show a small group target. Heck I can show a couple of 50 yard 3/4" groups from my 15-22. That doesn't mean it can, it just means it can once in a great while. Or I could just shoot a 3/8" 25 yard group from my 10-22 & say it was from my 15-22 at 50 yards, who would know other than a guy that owns & has friends that have 15-22's & knows what they are or aren't capable of.
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After reading everyones comments, I'm thinking I'll pass on any 15-22, even if the deal is great. I have a 10/22 with a few bells & whistles (Magnum Research barrel, Volquartsen trigger, Zeiss scope), it shoots better than me. Have had ragged .65 inch 10 shot at 50 yds a few times, with any old ammo (it loves Eley match).
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After reading everyones comments, I'm thinking I'll pass on any 15-22, even if the deal is great. I have a 10/22 with a few bells & whistles (Magnum Research barrel, Volquartsen trigger, Zeiss scope), it shoots better than me. Have had ragged .65 inch 10 shot at 50 yds a few times, with any old ammo (it loves Eley match).
The 15-22 is not a tack-driver and only unrealistic people expect it to be one. It's a fun gun plinker. If that doesn't meet your needs, by al means, stay away from it and let others who DO want a fun-gun plinker have it.

FWIW, I see a half-dozen or so every weekend at my range, so some people must be happy with them - me included.
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What Majorlk said.
Mine will walk a beer/pop can along the ground for 30-40 yards but it is no reliable gopher gun at those ranges. Love the gun and it is fun to shoot but I use a Ruger 10/22 or Remington 541S when I really need to shoot gophers with the min. amount of bullets per gopher. Pretty much never shoot paper.

I did have a Magpul sling loop on the front rail and I would sight the gun in where it was shooting about as good as it would get but after taking it on the atv with the gun over my back it would always be way off when I got to the place where I needed to shoot gophers. I was never sure if cleaning it after the sighting in or the sling straining on the rail loop was throwing my gun off.

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I bought the 15-22 as a fun gun; been having a lot of fun shooting it.

Mine is in the 3" to 4" group range at 50 yds; I put a 6 X 24 target scope on it and took it to the range to try it out. Tried several boxes of different ammo all gave the same results. Some of that ammo groups 5 shots inside of a dime at 50 yds with my 541T.

Took the scope back off of it so we can get back to having some fun.

Wish it shot tighter groups but it is what it is. Just makes me wonder what kinda of groups the PC version will shoot.

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I don't remember being told that it was just a " plinker " when I bought it. Could not find the phrase "plinker " in the directions also. Can someone explain what a plinker is. Does it mean that the gun just shoots all over the place ? Or does it mean that you just pull the trigger and hope it hits something, anything in the area of your intended target. I assume that plinking is another term for " I can't shoot so I just pull the trigger and blame the weapon for my bad marksmanship".

I like to hit what I shoot at end of story. One shot one kill. The plinking excuse is getting pretty old. My S&w 500 mag, and my 460 or very accurate guns so I thought S&W would produce a good weapon here. I guess they jumped on the band wagon and made a product to make money and to hell with reputation. Not a smart move for I will have reservations on my next purchase.

I can also roll a beer can down a hill with mine. That's not what I call target practice. I don't like the 10-22 platform so I won't be buying one. There is a very specific reason I bought this weapon. It mimics the m-4 and I like that. I could pull my JP-15 out of the safe and hit anything I can see or grab my ar-15 and do all most the same with that.

I like the weight of the gun, not needing ear pro and shooting very cheep ammo. It's a cheep gun so scrathes or dings from heavy use doesn't bother me the way it would with my other weapons. I like that I can mount toys to it with no problem. It has much potential but it needs to put a round where I want it to go. The question " is it me or the rifle " when you miss your intended target is not what I want to be debating when I am shooting.

I am now lookin at buying a dedicated m-4 platform in .22lr to replace this gun. With a all metal upper I can then change barrels if needed. I would like to hear from members with this system and what they think of there gun. What company made it ? What are your groups like ? Any malfunctions ? How's the trigger ? Magazine reliability ?

It took a shot with the s&w and they failed me.
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I love my 15/22 and this is why; once a week me and a friend shoot a 25 target walk around muzzleloader course. We are permitted to use our 22lr rifles, i chose to use my 15/22 and my friend uses either his cz american or his marlin m39, this course has various unmarked yardages some as close as 8 yards and as far as 110 yards. Most are metal targets that swing or gong when hit, a few are playing cards sideways and popcicle sticks. The 15/22 is totally capable of hitting all [when i do my part]. The only target either one of us can't hit is the splitting a bullet on a axe [we have tried but we think this is impossible with a 22caliber bullet]. We always have a ball and i seem to have more fun using my 15/22 than any other 22lr rifle that i own. To me this is why i own and shoot my 15/22 at least 4 days a week. thanks for reading pghrich
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Thanks for the reply. Sounds like a lot of fun. Some of my friends of the 10-22 also but it's not for me. Mite sound funny to some but aesthetics to me is a factor.i just don't like the " feel " of the weapon. I love the m-4 system for some reason maybe because of my time as a marine. It just feels right.

I bought a ptr-91 to test the German system and don't like it. I put a h&k to my shoulder and did not like that either. Not saying there bad I just don't like the feel of the weapon. Have you ever put that bolt back together ?

I just want a m-4 in .22lr that can shoot to the limits of the ammo I am using. Why is this so hard. I mite buy the h&k 416-22 and see what that can do. I have a gsg522 that will out shoot my s&w all day but don't really like the fell of the weapon. My search continues......
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I don't remember being told that it was just a " plinker " when I bought it. Could not find the phrase "plinker " in the directions also. Can someone explain what a plinker is. Does it mean that the gun just shoots all over the place ? Or does it mean that you just pull the trigger and hope it hits something, anything in the area of your intended target. I assume that plinking is another term for " I can't shoot so I just pull the trigger and blame the weapon for my bad marksmanship".

I like to hit what I shoot at end of story. One shot one kill. The plinking excuse is getting pretty old. My S&w 500 mag, and my 460 or very accurate guns so I thought S&W would produce a good weapon here. I guess they jumped on the band wagon and made a product to make money and to hell with reputation. Not a smart move for I will have reservations on my next purchase.

I can also roll a beer can down a hill with mine. That's not what I call target practice. I don't like the 10-22 platform so I won't be buying one. There is a very specific reason I bought this weapon. It mimics the m-4 and I like that. I could pull my JP-15 out of the safe and hit anything I can see or grab my ar-15 and do all most the same with that.

I like the weight of the gun, not needing ear pro and shooting very cheep ammo. It's a cheep gun so scrathes or dings from heavy use doesn't bother me the way it would with my other weapons. I like that I can mount toys to it with no problem. It has much potential but it needs to put a round where I want it to go. The question " is it me or the rifle " when you miss your intended target is not what I want to be debating when I am shooting.

I am now lookin at buying a dedicated m-4 platform in .22lr to replace this gun. With a all metal upper I can then change barrels if needed. I would like to hear from members with this system and what they think of there gun. What company made it ? What are your groups like ? Any malfunctions ? How's the trigger ? Magazine reliability ?

It took a shot with the s&w and they failed me.
Afternoon Ammo dog2311


I (obviously) have the 15-22 & like you think a $500.00+ Smith & Wesson should do more than plink. Or more tactfully put NOT MISS a 2" target at 50 yards.

I guess if I buy a power saw I expect it to cut a straight line & if I buy a modern $500.00+ firearm I expect it to shoot to POA @ 50 yards.

I also have a 10-22 in a Nordic chassis. This gun is a decent shooter as long as it isn't too windy out. This gun has about the accuracy I expect & require for the type of practice I do. Problem is it doesn't have the same controls & control placement to use for a substitute practice gun for my M-4's or AR-15's. It's fun to shoot but not a good practice piece as the controls are too different to do malfunction drills or weak side drills or even weak side one hand mag changes.

My other .22 semi auto is a CMMG M-4 clone that shoots just decent enough to practice with. I didn't get the true forward assist but added an F/A M-4 button & spring so I can simulate seating a partially stuck bolt. It also didn't have true last shot bolt hold open so I couldn't just slam another mag in & hit the bolt drop lever. (CMMG offers the last shot hold open but it is a complicated affair so I chose not to get it). I did add a 3rd party bolt hold open lever & it works great but that eliminates using the lower on my other M-4/AR-15 uppers.
This gun is REAL close to being what I need for M-4/ AR-15 practice & will do decent head shots at 50 & 75 yards. One of my practice scenarios is shooting a hand gun from a perp that is holding a hostage at 50 yards.
The CMMG is just accurate enough to pull that off where as my S&W 15-22 won't without a 50%-75% chance of not hitting the hand gun center mass.

Supposedly CMMG has a new barrel manufacturing process to a more accurate barrel so I'm thinking of investing in a barrel update at some time in the future.
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I don't remember being told that it was just a " plinker " when I bought it. Could not find the phrase "plinker " in the directions also. Can someone explain what a plinker is. Does it mean that the gun just shoots all over the place ? Or does it mean that you just pull the trigger and hope it hits something, anything in the area of your intended target. I assume that plinking is another term for " I can't shoot so I just pull the trigger and blame the weapon for my bad marksmanship".

I like to hit what I shoot at end of story. One shot one kill. The plinking excuse is getting pretty old. My S&w 500 mag, and my 460 or very accurate guns so I thought S&W would produce a good weapon here. I guess they jumped on the band wagon and made a product to make money and to hell with reputation. Not a smart move for I will have reservations on my next purchase.

I can also roll a beer can down a hill with mine. That's not what I call target practice. I don't like the 10-22 platform so I won't be buying one. There is a very specific reason I bought this weapon. It mimics the m-4 and I like that. I could pull my JP-15 out of the safe and hit anything I can see or grab my ar-15 and do all most the same with that.

I like the weight of the gun, not needing ear pro and shooting very cheep ammo. It's a cheep gun so scrathes or dings from heavy use doesn't bother me the way it would with my other weapons. I like that I can mount toys to it with no problem. It has much potential but it needs to put a round where I want it to go. The question " is it me or the rifle " when you miss your intended target is not what I want to be debating when I am shooting.

I am now lookin at buying a dedicated m-4 platform in .22lr to replace this gun. With a all metal upper I can then change barrels if needed. I would like to hear from members with this system and what they think of there gun. What company made it ? What are your groups like ? Any malfunctions ? How's the trigger ? Magazine reliability ?

It took a shot with the s&w and they failed me.
I can roll a beer can down a hill without using my 15-22 and I didn't say it was target practice but just fun.
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trophies to prove your shooting ability, Laughable. why is it anybodies burden to prove to you how well they shoot. If you don't believe them get over it, they're not trying to take away your birthday. Not to sound brash but for those shooting 4 inch groups at 50 yards and are blaming the rifle, maybe its the shooter.
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Mine will do it as well. 2" group at 50 yards. I am shooting mini mags. Scoped also.
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Hello, i honestly think a new barrel could only improve the accuracy to a point that the cost could not be justified, many other things come into play for accuracy, a good barrel is just one of them, and a semi auto is handicapped from the getgo, besides according to s&w the barrels are already match grade.pghrich
Only the PC model barrel is match grade and has a match chamber. The regular models don't have that 18" barrel. That is not to say the barrel is bad, just a more common type like a sporter barrel.
Supposedly Jerry's exhibition AR15-22 had a custom Lother Walther barrel on it for awhile but in some of the latest Impossible Shots shows I notice that it looks like the stock barrel is back on it. Maybe he got some flack over that.
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Only the PC model barrel is match grade and has a match chamber. The regular models don't have that 18" barrel. That is not to say the barrel is bad, just a more common type like a sporter barrel.
Supposedly Jerry's exhibition AR15-22 had a custom Lother Walther barrel on it for awhile but in some of the latest Impossible Shots shows I notice that it looks like the stock barrel is back on it. Maybe he got some flack over that.
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top portion of the page read number 10.

but even though it says "match grade" I personally dont believe that any mass production rifle has a "match grade" barrel. that and their isn't really a definition for "match grade" if you do research into top quality barrel makers the price of the barrel is just as much if not more than the mp15-22 and close to the price of the PC model
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Hey wolverine, did you look at gettin the h&k 416-22 ??? I think I mite just get it. It's German made so it should shoot well. Have you seen one on the range yet ?

I put the s&w in the safe for now. I took the JP and the AR to the range today. Had the place to my self. Shot 150. Rds in an hour. That was what I needed. The time spent with the s&w over the winter was a big help. Kept me on target.
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I was wondering if I could turn mine into a pc that was the idea from the beginning. If the upper and lower are the same then swop out the barrel and I am gold... Think I am goin German now....H&K
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The H&K is not made by H&K last I checked, it is another Umarex wonder. H&K just licenses the look to them. Just a head's up that the quality will not be as good. Many have posted what the Colt Umarex M4 is like in this forum, I imagine the 416-22 will be much the same.
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The Colt and The HK are essentially identical internally - a lousy excuse for a firearm. They are better suited as paintball guns.
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Do they use a lothar walther barrel on the 416-22.
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Do they use a lothar walther barrel on the 416-22.
Not that I am aware of. It's a rifled tube inside another tube from what I have seen.
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Does anyone know if we will be able to buy replacement threaded barrels? id like to have one
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Does anyone know if we will be able to buy replacement threaded barrels? id like to have one
I am not sure if barrels, threaded or not will ever be able to purchase from smith and wesson. but even if they do become available it will still be much cheaper to have your current barrel threaded. If you do want to upgrade your barrel anything is possible for the right ammount of money.
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I am not sure if barrels, threaded or not will ever be able to purchase from smith and wesson. but even if they do become available it will still be much cheaper to have your current barrel threaded. If you do want to upgrade your barrel anything is possible for the right ammount of money.
Thats a good point. It's even cheaper to pretend its threaded haha. I would like to have barrel shroud though
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Well I took out the 15-22 out today and had a little fun shooting soda cans. So at the end of the mag the bolt closed home. It will lock if I press the mag catch. I loaded another mag same thing, bolt closed home after last round fired. It's not dirty. Never happened before I am wondering if the mag is worn out. What do you think ?
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No, the mag isn't worn out. Most likely the mag and follower are dirty and it needs to be blown out. The area around the bolt catch is probably dirty, too.
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I will check that out tomorrow, thanks.
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That was a typo - it was supposed to be $201.00 !!!!!!
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I would really like to see a 15-22 shoot (consistent) 2" groups. So far the ones that have shown up at my local shooting range haven't been able to do that. I have seen them be able to shoot a 2" group but not consistently. Heck I have seen my 15-22 shoot a 3/4" group but that is one in a hundred tries.

So you are telling me that you can take your 15-22 that has sat all night, then you can take a 50 round box of CCI blazer's & put all 50 rounds in a 2" circle @ 50 yards (bench rested of course)?
When I sighted my new scope on the 15 @ 50 yards starting out, after getting it in the center I shot a 3/4 in hole in a 8 inch target. At 100 yards it shot 1 1/2 group bench rested. The rifle is better then I am

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I'm not sure what you people expect or can accomplish with your 15-22s. If you look at the original 22AR test from American Rifleman magazine, while the Ruger SR-22 and Remington 597 VTR both shot better than any of the other guns in the test it was not by that much. The AR15-22's accuracy bested several of the so called all metal guns. And Shooting Times picked it as the most AR like of the ones they tested in an article with comparable accuracy.
Yes I have a PC model and I also have a Rem 597 VTR that has a VQ barrel and Jard trigger. And yes the 597 is a true tack driver being able to shoot .1" groups at 25 off the rest and .3" at 50. But I did not buy either gun to shoot little holes in paper, but instead to bang steel plates as fast as possible out to maybe 35 yards. At that the 15-22 is superb. And to make that happen at the highest level I have poured some extra $$$ in the gun also. Not quite as expensive as the 597 VTR sits ($1000) but close ($900). And for every 50 rounds I shoot out of the 597 I put close to 1000 downrange with the 15-22. The only steel the 597 gets to shoot is Metallic Silhouette.
This weekend is the 14th annual PSA Shootout, one of the biggest steel competitions in the US. A centerfire pistol competition composed of 6 stages of 25-35 steel targets each of just about any type there is from sliders, poppers, plate racks, Texas stars, moving targets, you name it. This year' side match is a rimfire one. 70 steel targets with a 90 second max time and a 5 second penalty for everyone still standing. Pistol or rifle, open or iron sights, or 2 man teams of one rifle and one pistol. Max 25 rounds per mag rifle and 10 pistol. Targets are from 8-25 yards and from 1.5" Olympic biathalon to 8" steel plates. $5 per run or 3 for $10. I am shooting the centerfire part in the Sunday AM shift but I will likely shoot the rimfire match both today and Sunday PM.
Compared to this shooting paper is like watching paint dry (except for USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches).
By the way the primary sponsor of the PSA Shootout is Smith and Wesson.

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Accuracy for MP15-22 can get more easily...put some weight to barrel.....silencer or compensator. I have silencer and can easily get 2.75 inch accuray with 10 rounds to 110 yards.
And most important thing for better accuracy is replace trigger for Jard.

But I like to have a new barrel, too. Need longer and stainless.
Althought the bore is now ok, the quality of steel ia not best.
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