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Default Nikon P22 vs Prostaff 3x9-40?

Hello everyone.. got a question for ya. I am right about to pull the trigger on a Nikon scope for my 15-22. Here is the debate I am having with myself. I have a camo 15-22. The P22 does not come in camo and the Prostaff 3x9-40 does. Do any of you think one will be more accurate than the other? I really would like the scope to match the rifle but at the same time not at the cost of the optics. Realistically I will not be shooting past 100 yards im guessing. When we go to deer camp, we always have precise .22 shooting contests for $$, so obviously I want the most precise optic I can get. Like cutting the power cord of a can opener hanging from a tree at 100yards, lol. Does this warrant me getting the P22 or realistically will the 3x9-40 be just as accurate at 100yards? I hate to be a girl about the scope matching, but figured i would ask anyways!

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For best .22 acuracy, get a scope set up for shooting at .22 ranges. A common mistake is to put a high-power centerfire rifle scope on a .22, and then wonder why there are parallax problems at .22 ranges. Parallax problems are when the crosshairs move on the target when you move your head sideways. A .22 scopes's parallax is set up for best shooting up to 100yds.

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For best .22 acuracy, get a scope set up for shooting at .22 ranges. A common mistake is to put a high-power centerfire rifle scope on a .22, and then wonder why there are parallax problems at .22 ranges. Parallax problems are when the crosshairs move on the target when you move your head sideways. A .22 scopes's parallax is set up for best shooting up to 100yds.

When the shoooting starts, looks don't matter.
Thanks a lot. This is kind of what I figured. I wish they made the P22 in camo, but oh well.. just gonna go ahead and order the P22. Thanks!
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While OKFC05, is absolutely correct. I want to offer this for consideration.
I have been to many HIGH POWER RIFLE matches, this is the No. 1 thing most shooters will tell you.
It does not matter what you are shooting, get the best optic's you can afford. Reason why " If you can't see it, you can't hit it."
There is alot of scopes with variable yardage objectives on the market. All of my 22 rifles have high power rifle scopes with varibale objectives and variable power settings.
Good luck shooting. Be safe and enjoy !
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Parallax problems are when the crosshairs move on the target when you move your head sideways.
Having worked as a photographer, it seems that parallax has a slightly different meaning when it comes to scopes. I've done a lot of reading about rifle optics over the past couple of months, but haven't seen the "moving crosshairs" problem explained so succinctly. Thanks. So when a scope is described as "parallax-free at X yards," that means that at X yards and beyond, the crosshairs won't appear to move when you move your eye?
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There are ALOT of great .22 rifles specific rifle scopes out their. The Nikon is a great scope. One that I have been completely suprised by is the BSA sweet .22. I picked it up for $39 and man it is a really nice scope! I have it on my Marlin XT22 and it's very clear and I really like the BDC turrets for the different grains of bullets. I can turn it to 100 yds and rings steel all day long. It's worth a look for the cost. I got it from SWFA.com. Natchez also has a great price on it.
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Having worked as a photographer, it seems that parallax has a slightly different meaning when it comes to scopes. I've done a lot of reading about rifle optics over the past couple of months, but haven't seen the "moving crosshairs" problem explained so succinctly. Thanks. So when a scope is described as "parallax-free at X yards," that means that at X yards and beyond, the crosshairs won't appear to move when you move your eye?
Technically, parallax can only be set exactly for one distance perfectly. However, as with focus and depth of field in camera lenses, it is much more critical at short distances and high magnification (long focal length). So setting a .22 scope to be parallx free (the crosshairs are in the same optical plane as the image) at 50yds makes it pretty close from 15yds to 100yds with 4X magnification.

Even moving the parallax setting to 100yds causes problems at 50yds and under, where most .22 shooting is done.

The people posting that AO focusing alone solves the parallax problem obviously don't understand parallax and scope optics.

Fully compensated and completely adjustable scopes are exceptionally expensive, and completely out of place on a .22, especially a plinker-grade semi-auto. With one, you can adjust out parallax error at any normal distance. But with the M&P .22 it would be like measuring with a micrometer, marking with chalk and cutting with an axe.
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I have two Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm's , the first is a "Nikoplex" ( fine duplex ) reticle that I bought for my 597 , $165 from $200. I loved it so much I picked up another , this time a BDC Reticle for my Savage Mk II also on sale for around $160. Both I consider some of my smartest and best moves in my firearms accessorizing purchasing career.


I have an Aimpoint Micro R-1 on my 15-22 , so I consider myself very lucky. Not everyone can or will have a $500+ sight on their 15-22. I've considered several times getting another Nikon to put on my 15-22 and using the Aimpoint elsewhere , and I would certainly be very happy with it. I'd probably go with the P22 but would be happy any of the ways. Nikon is a lot of scope for a fair fair price all things considered.


I am also scheming on the P223 3x32 point blank / BDC reticle for my 5.56 AR - for $150 how can you beat it.
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...like measuring with a micrometer, marking with chalk and cutting with an axe.
Well said. Thanks for the explanation.
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I have a Nikon 6734 Pro Staff on my 15-22 and I love it. It's made specifically for a .22 rimfire too. I got it for $112 shipped after $50 mail in rebate that I believe is still going on.

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I'd go for the camo version since I was once in that same situation and got the right scope for the job, I just wanted the right looking scope for the job. I was much happier after getting my camo scope and I don't think I gave up anything in performance.

DPMS Pririe Panther, Nikon Coyote Special and AR Mount all in BRush Camo.

I love it, coyotes hate it!

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What mount is that?
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It is the Nikon M-223 AR Mount with 20 MOA built into it.

Nikon Hunting

Solid lock up and absolutely no chipping of finish on mine which says something considering how many times it has been in the field and how many miles it has covered in my Ranger.
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I just bought a PROSTAFF 3-9x40mm Rimfire Scope w/ 150 BDC Reticle for my Henry Lever Action 22lr (22 & 22 short).

The glass is (let me emphasis this) "CRYSTAL CLEAR" like one would expect from NIKON. With the addition of Leupold "See-Thru" Scope Rings, I can use my rear iron sight & front "Hi-Viz" sight for ranges below the preset 50yd. paralax.

For ballistic calculations, NIKON (for $4.99) provides an android app called "SpotOn" and it provides comprehensive ammo ballistics for just about EVERY BRAND and weight grain of 22 ammunition that's out there, including BC, velocities etc...and...I found that using the app places my rounds SPOT ON TARGET, so the name of the app rightly applies.

OK, so what if my phone dies and I'm out in the field? NO PROBLEM. I previously accessed the Spot-On app from my home computer (it's free on your puter) and printed out my most common range "holds" for the 150 BC reticle. It allows you to print out the reticle data in any size. The smallest print out of appx 2"+ fits perfectly when glued inside the ocular lens cap of the PROSTAFF (for quick reference out in the field out to 150+ yd.).

For the price, I give it 10 fingers up w/ a Yahoo Yippy-O-Kai-A added in there.

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Recently put a P22 on one of my 15-22, sighted it in this past weekend. Great scope! I've had a BM model on my Remi 30-06 for years. I've about got my other black rifles scoped out with Nikon's one has a M-223 3-12x42, the other has the P-223 3-9x40. Also have the P-300 on my M&P 15 300 whisper. All were easy to dial in and seem to stay that way.
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I have a p-22 nikon 2-7x on my 15-22pc, looks great, nice and clear, and just seems right for the gun. Yesterday I just picked up the prostaff 3-9 for another 22 project. Equally good clarity. I do like the extra power, but the scope isn't as "cool" looking as the drop adjustable turrets on the p22.

But with the current sale proces on either you cant go wrong. Considering the prostaff is $30 cheaper and has a better range of magnification imo, it is probably the better bang for the buck.
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Guy's Nikon has a PROMO going on right now for their Rimfire scope's. Include's P-22 and the PROSTAFF 3-9 Rimfire scopes. All instant svings. PROMO run's through May 11,2014.
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What about a fast 1-4? I've found a 3gun club that lets me shoot rimfire, but there's 8" plates out to 100-200 yards and I'm just too dang slow with a red dot at that range.

I've been using a Burris MTAC on my 3gun AR, but that's a two pound anchor atop a seven pound rifle, I want to stay compact and light on the .22, but not drop a bunch of money too.
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danny, Shooting a 1-4 on a rimfire at 200 yards will be tough. I have used Nikon's PROSTAFF 3-9 Rimfire scope to shoot steel crows at 200 yards going 10 for 10 after using Nikon's Spot On Program to dial in my ammo. I could still easily shoot 50 yards and in dialing the magnification to 3X, which is what my son uses on his 5.56 Carbine Comp. rifle because we often shoot 100 and 200 yard targets. I use Nikon's M-223 1-4 now that my son has claimed the P-223 3X for his rifle.

Take a look at the 3-9, yes it's bigger but if you are shooting a rimfire against centerfire's you'll need a little help for the longer shots.
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