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I stopped into my local sporting goods store, looked at the Colt M4 and the 15-22 side by side and I'm having trouble making up my mind between the 2. I know the bolt release on the Colt is non-functional, but aside from that it looks and feels like a real AR. It's made of metal and could pass for an assault rifle if pointed at an unwanted intruder. I also think Colt stamp on the side might increase the resale value. The S&W on the other hand has a functioning bolt release but looks and feels a bit like an airsoft gun you would find at wal-mart. Anyone have experience with both? What are your thoughts?
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s&w AR15-22 is just aswome..

I know people will post about both.... But i looked at both and HANDS down am Glad i have the S&W

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The S&W has an excellent track record for functioning...the Colt (Umarex actually) not so much. For a shooter get the S&W...
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I have owned both. I still own the 15-22. I do NOT still own the Umarex/Colt. My experience with the Umarex was such that even though I had an opportunity to buy a Umarex/HK that "looks" and feels better than either the Umarex/Colt or Smith, I passed. I'm trying hard not to say exactly what I think about the Umarex/Colt because I'm a kinder, gentler Steve these days, but I'm hoping you might just be getting the picture...

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you can use actual AR parts on the S&W including trigger groups from what i heard. the Colt is a little self contained unit.
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Let me just say, if I had to point my 15-22 at anyone I don't think they're going to know the difference between it and an AR. I recently bought the 15-22 and compared it side-by-side with the Colt. I went with the S&W. Everything on the 15-22 is operational. Nothing added on to make it look like something it's not. But you have to go with your own gut feeling. Get it quick! You're missing out on shooting time.
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I owned the Colt/Umarex for one day, before taking it back. I had several FTF, FTE. Once you get past the looks, it's a piece of junk. Try to dry fire it (if they will let you). I could not believe how terrible the trigger was.

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I stopped into my local sporting goods store, looked at the Colt M4 and the 15-22 side by side and I'm having trouble making up my mind between the 2. I know the bolt release on the Colt is non-functional, but aside from that it looks and feels like a real AR. It's made of metal and could pass for an assault rifle if pointed at an unwanted intruder. I also think Colt stamp on the side might increase the resale value. The S&W on the other hand has a functioning bolt release but looks and feels a bit like an airsoft gun you would find at wal-mart. Anyone have experience with both? What are your thoughts?
The Colt stamp is something I hold in very high regard.
On pistols, on revolvers and on true Colt AR's.

But make no mistake: the stamp on the Walther Colt doesn't belong there. It is one of those colt corperate desicions that the true colt-affcionado will never understand. And hence will never ensure a better resale value.

The Smith is the better option in many ways. Just look at maintenance, the ease to fieldstrip, the use of all kinds of aftermarket parts - including triggergroups (not on the Walther!).

Save yourself a lot of problems - get the Smith.
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Colt was built to look like an AR-15 and Smith is built like an Ar-15. Watch a video of the take down of both and you will see what I mean.
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My shooting buddy has the Colt M4. I have NEVER seen a gun that fails to fire like this one. I'd say about 1/4 the rounds (much more on a bad day, less on a good) fail to fire with it. He's sent it back, and had a gunsmith work on it, and it's a bit better now, but when I started looking for a .22, I knew that was one I would completely ignore. He bought a new HK, and is pleased enough that he never takes the Colt shooting any more. But I personally much prefer the S&W to the HK. He even said he'd shot a 15-22 years ago, and it shot flawlessly. Don't know what's kept him from buying one.
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I also think Colt stamp on the side might increase the resale value.

That was some funny stuff right there!

The Umarex M4 has licensed Colt markings much in the same way any good airsoft rifle does.. But understand, it's not a Colt, it's not made by Colt and has no Colt parts (other than the trade mark) it's an airsoft aluminum M4 body fitted around cast white metal innards.
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easy...
1 = A Decent .22lr Semi,
the other is a toy that happens to be able to shoot / fire .22 lr..

ok, so a S & W is plastic...., but,
you try to strip & clean a Colt ..!!?!!! or change the trigger group !!??!!

as was already well said....
1 was built to look like an AR the other was built like an AR..


ps..... why is this still a conversation point...??!!
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Ive seen some bad reviews of the colt thats why i got the 15-22
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Colt was built to look like an AR-15 and Smith is built like an Ar-15. Watch a video of the take down of both and you will see what I mean.
Quoted for truth. Do you want a rifle that looks and weighs as much as an AR, or do you want a rifle that breaks down and has the same manual of arms as an AR?

My son has the M&P 15-22 and I have a CMMG Quebec-A which is a dedicated .22lr upper on a mil-spec lower. The CMMG looks like an AR, feels like an AR, is built on an AR upper and lower, but out of the two, the M&P 15-22 functions like an AR more than my CMMG. If you want a .22lr to function like an AR straight out of the box, the M&P 15-22 is the one.
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[QUOTE The S&W on the other hand has a functioning bolt release but looks and feels a bit like an airsoft gun you would find at wal-mart. [/QUOTE]

The Smith&Wesson might feel lite like an airsoft gun, but the Colt IS an airsoft gun. An airsoft gun made to fire .22lr. There is a really good post where a member disassembled the Umarex HK (basically the same thing as the Umarex Colt) and was horrified. He posted pictures
here:M&P 15-22 VS. HK 416-22
I have to admit it looks completely unsafe.
The 15-22 does have a really lite feel to it right out of the box, I won't argue there, but that all goes away once you start putting things on it. It really does have a nice feel to it. And as everyone has been saying it functions and is built like the real thing.

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Thanks for the tips! I guess my first clue should have been the fact that you cannot find the "Colt" M4 on Colt's main website. Even they're embarrassed to be seen with it!
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Normally I don't post but I found this thread very intresting. You just don't see any negative feedback on the S&W M&P 15 22 at all. I own a S&W 15-22 myself. I have had it about 2 months and had nothing but bad LUCK, it seems.
Before someone responds, please finish reading this.
I have spared no expense trying to get it to work with a Slide Fire stock. I still do not have it working 100% without some FTF and ligth strikes.
However, if I use it as it was orginally designed , I have had absolutely zero problems ( with the Slide Fire in the locked position ).
I have a Timeny 3 lb.triger, replacement springs, Frog Lube, Tach Ammo, etc. I have had at least 5 other people try to fire the Slide Fire with the same results, including a gun smith.
So there can be problems with any brand. But I will keep my 15-22, as I have had many componets to try since it will interchange alot of AR parts.
If I had chosen another brand, I would have given up by now, sold it and put what extra parts I could on Ebay. I think this says alot for the M&P.
Just my 2 cents, worth.
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I looked at the Colt, the Sig and the M&P when deciding on a .22 in AR platform. The colt and Sig both felt nice...had some heft to them. My nephew has a Sig 522 and it is nice, shoots good but is picky. I went to A LOT of shops while researching what to get. I was told the Colt was the best one to get on several occasions...however, in hindsight, it was because it was the only AR style .22 they had to offer. When a shop is out of the M&P 15-22 the Colt seems like a decent product to move. Ultimately it came down to holing all three side-by-side playing with them. The M&P costs less and functions more lie a true AR then the Colt. It is easy to clean in the field and will devour whatever amo I feed it. Plus, it lighter so my son can shot it as well. Online reviews and my own personal experience all say S&W all the way! Just go buy it and start shooting...
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Unfortunately, I do. Every time I see a thread like this, I feel morally obligated to respond. If you visit other forums, you might have seen my pictures and my story. There has to be a Umarex sales team out there that wants to murder me. My posts and pictures on the Umarex Colt M4 used to show up in Google searches. I am hated by Umarex Colt M4 owners that don't like being presented with cold hard truth.



^Proof that I owned one with a fake can. God I hate admitting to owning this piece of poop.

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It's (Colt) made of metal and could pass for an assault rifle if pointed at an unwanted intruder. I also think Colt stamp on the side might increase the resale value.
The metal and heavy feel of the Colt M4 Ops is reassuring. The Colt prancing pony roll mark implies quality. When had to choose between the Colt or the S&W, I chose the Colt because of this.

Well, these two aspects of the Colt M4 Ops is the equivalent of putting nice dressing on a poop.

First and foremost, Colt licensed their name to Umarex. Umarex is a second-rate air-gun company that expanded into firearms with .22lr's. The licensing started with the Colt name, then expanded to the H&K name.

The first indication of something being wrong is the action itself. The bolt is captured in a proprietary action. The instructions state that removal of the bolt for cleaning is not necessary, ever. Well you can't take the bolt out during a normal field strip. Anyone who shoots .22lr can attest to the amazing amount of fouling that builds up in the bolt and action.

Then comes the list:
  • Grip is proprietary, not compatible with standard AR grips.
  • Buttstock & simulated buffer tube is proprietary. Not compatible with standard AR accessories.
  • The bolt release paddle is for looks only. It's not even affixed to the lower.
  • The upper & action are proprietary.
  • The lower is proprietary.
  • The trigger is a proprietary captured unit, not compatible with standard AR triggers.
  • The dust cover is decorative and always open.
  • It has a pencil thin barrel.

Since it is not possible to remove the bolt from the upper, cleaning is accomplished from muzzle to breech. Umarex posted videos of their technician pulling a flexible rod with a .22lr brush through the ejection port. I never could find a .22lr brush short enough to do this.

The bolt hold open only works when the upper and lower are mated, and a magazine installed. With the upper hinged open, you can use your finger to push on the lever that holds the bolt open. Shake the upper, say when you're pushing a brush through, the bolt releases and slams into your cleaning rod tip.

That's not the worst. To even hinge open the upper, you have to relieve tension on the barrel by loosening the flash hider. I loosened the flash hider. While pushing a brush through, the flash hider rotated off, and the barrel dislocated from the action.

THE ONLY THING THAT HOLDS THE BARREL IN PLACE IS THE OUTWARD TENSION OF THE FLASH HIDER PULLING ON THE OUTER BARREL SHROUD.

Remember what I said about it being pretty dressing over a piece of poop? These pictures were taken AFTER I cleaned the amazing amount of .22lr crud that couldn't be blown out with Gun Scrubber.

Barrel dislocation.


Upper. Looks convincing. Looks pretty.


This is what's under the pretty shroud.


Because I had to relocate my barrel, I took it all apart. This is not something I would advise if you are a novice firearms enthusiast and/or are not mechanically inclined.



I thought it was bad when I took the pretty upper shroud off. I was even more horrified when I had all the working parts disassembled. The bolt is weak. The barrel is the diameter of a pencil and thin walled. The small parts are horrible.



Picture of the relocated barrel in the action. Now that I have experience, looking at this gives me fits. All the signs of the Colt being a piece of poop were there, but I didn't know what to look for.

The lower is just as horrible. I didn't want to take apart the proprietary, captured trigger pack unit.


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No it does not. At one point, an online firearms dealer was blowing out their stock of Umarex Colt M4 Ops .22lr for a couple hundred bucks. In the product description they stated that it was probably good to push in the ground to be used as a tomato vine trellace.

Colt licensed their good name to a junk company not once, but twice. The Colt 1911 .22 is Umarex. H&K 416 .22lr is Umarex.

I checked the trade on mine, and the LGS didn't want to touch it. I didn't feel right foisting the Umarex Colt M4 onto any other unsuspecting firearms enthusiast.

At the time, my buddy was going through a 2 year stretch of unemployment. He wanted it. I just gave it to him. He occasionally shot it until he found a job, then he bought a Sig 522.

I wish I could go back in time and kick my own butt just at the moment I chose the Umarex Colt M4 over the S&W M&P 22.

Guess what I own now?



I couldn't be happier. Half the fun is accessorizing the 15-22. The 15-22 is compatible with almost all AR furniture & accessories. Grip, mil-spec butt stock, rail accessories, are standard AR. Even the trigger is standard AR and compatible with aftermarket trigger systems.

The 15-22 charging handle is short, and can't be swapped for a full size AR charging handle. A Magpul BAD lever takes a little bending to fit. That's it.

If for some reason the only firearm within reach is the 15-22, I'd be confident that I could defend myself with it. It's not my first choice, but it will more than do. To a home intruder, the 15-22 will look like a major caliber AR.


75ft, Federal Bulk, slow fire with the fore end rested. The 15-22 isn't a target rifle, it's a fun plinker. For what it is, this isn't bad.


35ft, Federal Bulk, rapid fire off hand, multiple mags. Drilled out the right ventricle/atrium and pinged the liver.

Get the 15-22. You won't regret it. If you want improved accuracy, pony up the extra dough and buy a 15-22PC (performance center).

In fact, I was so pleased with my 15-22 that it lead to other S&W firearms purchases. In particular:


15-Sport

The 15-22 is the perfect training companion to a M&P 15 rifle.
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WELL SAID!!!!

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Watching the British automotive show TOP GEAR, I saw that you CAN make a Toyota pickup in to a "boat"

Much in the same way that you CAN get a slidefire stock to work on the MP 1522.

With enough time and money you CAN get anything to work. The point is Toyota never ment for their trucks to work as a boat.

Im sure your pickin' up what Im layin' down. It pains me to say it because so many have already spent so much. I take heat for saying anything negative, and I understand




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I had one of these Colts for a day. Never fired it and returned it and got the M&P. The sales guy led me to believe the Colt was a better product and when I came home I was excited to have it. Then, the next day before going to the range, the safety pin came out, I was able to get it back in but it would not go out of safe mode and the shop could not figure it out which was why I returned it, plus not being able to buy standard AR stuff for it made me a bit mad about buying it as the sales guy told me anything AR would fit. All in all I am happy with my 15-22.
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I also owned the Colt M4 for just one day. It was a display model (last one) at a local sportsmans store, and I was concerned that it had been "handled" a lot. Normally this chain does not allow firearm returns, but since I argued and tried to beat them up on the price, which they wouldn't do, the boy told me (and I got it in writing) that if there was anything wrong with it, I could return it for a full refund. I got it home, loaded up a mag, worked the action to charge the round. Removed the clip and tried to open the action to remove the live round. Guess what?...it didn't come out. The ejecter was jacked up, likely from being "handled" in the store, but if it can't stand up to store handling, it likely wouldn't have stood up to my use. I took it back, got my refund, and bought the M&P 15-22 and never looked back. Since then, I've learned about the pencil barrel and all the proprietary parts on the Colt. It looks nice, and it's heavy...but that's it. Glad I have the S&W. I've put almost 1500 rounds thru mine, and love it. I normally do not try to recommend or not recommend any particular product...but really, Colt (Umarex) tried to do a good job to make an imitation AR-15, which they did a fine job as far as looks go. If you are after a wall hanger, get the Colt. If you want one to shoot...get the M&P15-22!
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I say go Colt for 5.56 and M&P15-22 for 22LR. 2 M&P15-22 here, both of which run nearly 100%. Very pleasantly surprised with the performance. Formerly, I normally would have selected one of several 10/22 to hunt paper or gophers with. I find myself going to the M&P15-22 more often than not now.

No experience with the Colt/Umarex but all signs point to no way.
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Hey! That guy just copied and pasted my post without giving me reference!

Oh wait... a few posts down I get mentioned... cool..

is that you Basic?
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Unfortunately, I do.
I'm SO glad I came across your posts on another website. I had the exact same decision to make with the drawback of being able to get the Umarex NOW, and having an indeterminable delay on the S&W.

Then I found your post and canned the idea of the Umarex. I found the last S&W on the last shipment of them to my country. Maybe we will see more later, but for now this is it.

The price difference between the Umarex and the S&W meant I can get the S&W and THREE THOUSAND rounds of .22 for the price of the Umarex.

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Them's fighting words!



Good lord for those who don't understand sarcasm, I'm only joking. AR15 preferences spark the most insane forum arguments.

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No experience with the Colt/Umarex but all signs point to no way.
Exactly right brother.

If I get to someone before they've made the choice of Umarex Colt M4 .22lr v.s. any other gun, then I'll share my story. I don't care if they buy a 15-22. All I care about is that a fellow firearms enthusiast doesn't get saddled with a piece-o-poop Umarex Colt M4 or Umarex HK 416.

If I get to someone after they've made the choice to buy a Umarex Colt M4 .22lr or Umarex HK 416, then there's no point in telling them that it's poop. I just wish them luck and hope that by some miracle of luck they got a good one. If they happened to get a bad one, they'll learn the hard way and come around.
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I wish you well with the S&W. Unfortunately, thus far I have had the opposite experience. In approximately 1500 rounds, I have had approximately 70-80 failures to eject, a number of failures to feed (probably my fault) and almost one firing out of battery which would no doubt have hurt my buddy, who during the same time has put about 3,000 rounds through his Umarex/Colt, has had maybe a dozen light strikes during the first few mags worth, with the rest running fine. And his new Umarex/H&K MP5 has run its first 1,500 rounds with nary a single problem of any kind. Right now I wish /I/ were the one shooting the Umarex rather than the S&W.

I hope this (my S&W 15-22 operation) will get better (I've made one more change/adjustment to my ejector, and if that fails will be sending the gun back to S&W).
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It's all good.

I read the thread. Even though we here know the 15-22 is superior to the Umarex (no bias here in the 15-22 sub forum whatsoever ), it does no good to point it out to those who made the choice to buy a Umarex Colt or HK. It just gets them butt hurt.

Now that I think about it, Umarex is kind of funny. It's a reverse quality control paradigm. The expectation is that their rifles are normally junk, and that a good one might slip through every once in a while.
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I wish you well with the S&W. Unfortunately, thus far I have had the opposite experience. In approximately 1500 rounds, I have had approximately 70-80 failures to eject, a number of failures to feed (probably my fault) and almost one firing out of battery which would no doubt have hurt my buddy, who during the same time has put about 3,000 rounds through his Umarex/Colt, has had maybe a dozen light strikes during the first few mags worth, with the rest running fine. And his new Umarex/H&K MP5 has run its first 1,500 rounds with nary a single problem of any kind. Right now I wish /I/ were the one shooting the Umarex rather than the S&W.

I hope this (my S&W 15-22 operation) will get better (I've made one more change/adjustment to my ejector, and if that fails will be sending the gun back to S&W).
Dude. The S&W 15-22 comes with a 1 year warranty & limited lifetime service warranty. IMO, you've done everything prudent to address the issue yourself. It's time to send it back to the S&W mothership, and get them to make it right. Let S&W address the issue.

If there is some overall manufacturing defect in your 15-22's upper, I'm sure S&W will replace it.

Regarding your friend's Umarex Colt M4. I am sincerely glad he lucked into a good one (so far knock on wood).
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I'm SO glad I came across your posts on another website. I had the exact same decision to make with the drawback of being able to get the Umarex NOW, and having an indeterminable delay on the S&W.

Then I found your post and canned the idea of the Umarex. I found the last S&W on the last shipment of them to my country. Maybe we will see more later, but for now this is it.

The price difference between the Umarex and the S&W meant I can get the S&W and THREE THOUSAND rounds of .22 for the price of the Umarex.

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The S&W 15-22 comes with a 1 year warranty & limited lifetime service warranty. IMO, you've done everything prudent to address the issue yourself. It's time to send it back to the S&W mothership, and get them to make it right. Let S&W address the issue.
That will probably be next. But when the fellow at S&W service told me on the phone that I shouldn't expect better performance than the 17 FTE's I just got with 450 rounds of firing ("It's only a .22, after all!"), I got a little (okay, a lot) turned off.

I thought perhaps I'd snagged the ejector on my bore snake the first time I cleaned it, before shooting, and bent it, so today bent it down until it just grazed the bolt during operation, then brought it back up until it just clears. I'm hoping this is a better (and more correct) location (it was moved about 0.035"). But after doing this, I'm actually quite certain there was no way I did this by accident when cleaning; it's a tough little bugger to bend!
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I know people will post about both.... But i looked at both and HANDS down am Glad i have the S&W

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S&W service told me on the phone that I shouldn't expect better performance than the 17 FTE's I just got with 450 rounds of firing ("It's only a .22, after all!"), I got a little (okay, a lot) turned off.
It is much better than this ^. Send it in.
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That will probably be next. But when the fellow at S&W service told me on the phone that I shouldn't expect better performance than the 17 FTE's I just got with 450 rounds of firing ("It's only a .22, after all!"), I got a little (okay, a lot) turned off.
That does tick me off. Don't judge S&W customer service by just one representative. If I feel that I'm not being taken seriously, I politely ask for the current service representative's full name and extension. I then politely ask for the level 2 representative, their name and contact info.

Again, every step of the way I try to be polite but firm.

If I get nowhere with a call, I'll send a polite e-mail with the names of the customer service individuals I talked to.

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I thought perhaps I'd snagged the ejector on my bore snake the first time I cleaned it, before shooting, and bent it, so today bent it down until it just grazed the bolt during operation, then brought it back up until it just clears. I'm hoping this is a better (and more correct) location (it was moved about 0.035"). But after doing this, I'm actually quite certain there was no way I did this by accident when cleaning; it's a tough little bugger to bend!
I hear ya. Because I wasn't paying attention, I almost snagged my ejector with the little loop at the end of the Boresnake.

When you do talk to S&W again let us know how it went. If you encounter a particularly unhelpful representative, let us know their name. I know it won't help you in the moment, but help the rest of us who might call.
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I was at my gun range on friday. They just got in a colt .22 ar. It had markings on it saying it was built by Walther. Anyone else see or had the chance to shoot it? The fire selector was improved, but still no bolt catch.
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That will probably be next. But when the fellow at S&W service told me on the phone that I shouldn't expect better performance than the 17 FTE's I just got with 450 rounds of firing ("It's only a .22, after all!"), I got a little (okay, a lot) turned off.
that does suck but after all the other good stories ive heard about s&w helping customers, id say you just have bad luck with your 15-22 and phone representatives lol. all kidding aside, my fingers are crossed that you send in your gun and receive a much better functioning rifle.
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I'm really happy with my Perf Center 15-22. It's the gun that brings me the most joy to shoot at the moment.

I love Colt, but can't imagine buying something that says "Colt" on it that wasn't made by Colt.

My 15-22 has whetted my appetite for a big brother. The problem there is bigger, because the Colt in 5.56 is real. I haven't decided yet.
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My 15-22 has whetted my appetite for a big brother. The problem there is bigger, because the Colt in 5.56 is real. I haven't decided yet.
LOL. That's exactly how it went for me. I stayed within the S&W family.

Find & buy that Colt. No matter the roll mark or price point, everyone should have an AR15.
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South Africa.

I've got an Umarex Airsoft MP5, and it rocks. I'm very surprised their shooting guns are so bad.

Proprietry parts for a weapon system that is as widely produced as the AR platform?! Honestly my Airsoft M4 can take more real steel parts than the Umarex/Colt/Walther M4 can. How does THAT work?!
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I've got an Umarex Airsoft MP5, and it rocks. I'm very surprised their shooting guns are so bad.

Proprietry parts for a weapon system that is as widely produced as the AR platform?! Honestly my Airsoft M4 can take more real steel parts than the Umarex/Colt/Walther M4 can. How does THAT work?!
But your Airsoft M4 doesn't take a standard AR trigger group

They basically fitted white metal innards into an aluminum Airsoft upper and lower. I have no doubt that I had the Colt M4 innards, they would fit inside my G&G Airsoft M4 upper and lower.
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Befor buying the colt do a field strip on it, you'll give up the will to live it's shocking and wait until you see how thin the barrel is.

The colt was designed from an airsof gun
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My guess would be, the same thickness as the airsoft barrel that way it slides right inside the airsoft barrel shroud.

Hey JaPes,

Do you recall if the threads on the end of the barrel were left handed for the flash hider?
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Do you recall if the threads on the end of the barrel were left handed for the flash hider?
Lol. 14mm Left hand or 1/2" 28 thread

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JePes says it all, good write up JePes... Get the S&W M&P 15/22, it is the rifle for shooters...
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