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Old 05-12-2012, 07:23 PM
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Ok I was reading on the kns pins that are specifically made for the mp15-22. It says they will only fit this rifle which is great but my question is will they still fit with the timney trigger since thats for any AR? These are the items I have in my cart
Timney AR-15 Trigger Assembly 3lb Solid Trigger - 667S
KNS Precision Gen2 Mod2 Trigger Group Pins- For Smith and Wesson M&P15-22
I want to make sure these are what I am needing before I buy. Thanks
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:05 PM
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As long as your Timney trigger uses standard .154" pins. I put a set of KNS pins on mine with standard trigger. They drop in in no time and look very cool.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:52 AM
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I have the same Timney trigger in my AR. This drop in FCG does not 'use' the trigger or hammer pins. The FCG is self contained and the components (i.e. the hammer & trigger) don't rotate on the pins. You could use 1/8" wooden dowels for pins and the FCG would still function.

That being said, any 'small' pin (.154") set will work and the choice of pins is irrelevant. The anti-rotational feature of the KNS pins from your link will serve no purpose with the Timney, other than 'looking cool'. Whatever pins you select, they will only serve to keep the Timney from moving or falling out. The Timney has a set screw that you tighten to force the drop-in group up tight against the pins to keep it in place, and to keep the pins from falling out. The stock pins are held in place by the hammer & trigger springs on a stock FCG. The springs in the Timney do not interact with the pins.

I ordered the JP anti-walk pins when I bought my Timney because I didn't know any better when I ordered it. I still used them but didn't need to waste the money.


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from what I have read on here everyone has said that if you just use your stock pins they keep coming out when you have the bump fire stock. They dont seem to have that problem with the kns non rotating pins.
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Without knowing for sure, I would assume that the pins are coming out because the set screws that lift the FCG to tighten the pins against the receiver were not tight (or came loose).

I do concede that KNS pins or the JP pins that I used completely eliminate the possibility of the pins coming out, so in that respect, they are relatively cheap insurance and probably not a bad idea.

The KNS pins (at least one of them) is essentially the same as the JP pins. The anti-rotation feature however won't serve a purpose like I mentioned. The JP pins cost $10 vs $25 though...

Good luck in whatever you choose, and enjoy that trigger!!!
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from what I have read on here everyone has said that if you just use your stock pins they keep coming out when you have the bump fire stock. They dont seem to have that problem with the kns non rotating pins.
...Just wondering however why you would put in a $200+ precision trigger in and bump fire with it? Seems like it would make better sense to put in a set of $10 JP reduced power springs to help bump fire a little easier, and tear up the stock FCG instead.

Seems kind of like splitting firewood with a $200 hollow ground Henckels knife.

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I am going only off what I have read on here and it seems that the best way for the bump fire stock to work with the recoil of a 22 being so light that you have to upgrade the trigger. Just putting in a set of springs wont do it according to the 6 pages that I read on the slide fire stock on here.
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I am going only off what I have read on here and it seems that the best way for the bump fire stock to work with the recoil of a 22 being so light that you have to upgrade the trigger. Just putting in a set of springs wont do it according to the 6 pages that I read on the slide fire stock on here.
If that's what works. It seems like a lot of $$ just to bump fire, but, if that's what you want, I'm not in any position to say otherwise as I've spent a ton on mine to get it to feel, look, and perform the way I want.

Good luck, and happy shooting!
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If that's what works. It seems like a lot of $$ just to bump fire, but, if that's what you want, I'm not in any position to say otherwise as I've spent a ton on mine to get it to feel, look, and perform the way I want.

Good luck, and happy shooting!
Money is relative to the person and usage. Just like anything out there, you can go with a Bubba setup and make it work just as well as a 3rd party vendor provided kit. Many people want to experience the joy without the hassle. My Timney & 15-22 works very well. The JP trigger system was about 80% there. I could afford the financial cost to experience my range fun, hence what I did.

I think your alternative to the KNS pins is very valid. I think any remedy to remove the loss of the pins should be used when bump-firing.

In another note, I have a SlideFire system for my M&P 15-22, PSA AR15 Dissipator, and now (almost done being built) for my Saiga 12. I hope to have some full-auto video with the shotgun this weekend. Why? Because I can and I enjoy it.

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Money is relative to the person and usage. Just like anything out there, you can go with a Bubba setup and make it work just as well as a 3rd party vendor provided kit. Many people want to experience the joy without the hassle. My Timney & 15-22 works very well. The JP trigger system was about 80% there. I could afford the financial cost to experience my range fun, hence what I did.

I think your alternative to the KNS pins is very valid. I think any remedy to remove the loss of the pins should be used when bump-firing.

In another note, I have a SlideFire system for my M&P 15-22, PSA AR15 Dissipator, and now (almost done being built) for my Saiga 12. I hope to have some full-auto video with the shotgun this weekend. Why? Because I can and I enjoy it.

Mike

EXACTLY...... if cost was the Biggest factor... i wouldnt have a Slide Fire either...

heck now because I have 2 NEW Ar15 .223 I am looking at reloading....LOL


CANT wait ta see the Video of yer Slide fire SHOTGUN.... my shoulder hurts already....LOL

Stav
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