Lighter recoil spring?

[ral2ooo]

I have no place to shoot most of the time other than my back yard. While legal in my area I have no desire to be any louder than can be helped ( I live in a nest of liberals but that is another story). At any rate the CCI quiet is very and works well in my AR 15 22. It even cycles and chambers the next round to my surprise. However it does not cock the hammer. Would it be possible to use a lighter recoil spring while using these low power rounds to allow the bolt to cock the hammer? Any other thoughts?


RAL

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

There could be other solutions. But if it is legal in your state buy a suppressor. That would probably be the best solution.

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by That_Guy

There could be other solutions. But if it is legal in your state buy a suppressor. That would probably be the best solution.

Yes it is legal but funds are short at this time. The suppressor guy around here wants about $400 plus the stamp $200 Plus I am told that these 22s are not that much quieter with a suppressor than they are with the better subsonic loads. The sound of the bullet hitting the backstop is as loud as the gun with these CCI rounds.


RAL

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

There are some cheaper options out there for suppressors where the over all cost would come out to around $400-500. One of the companies I have considered is Huntertown Arms

I know subsonic ammo is not recommended for the 15-22, but have you tried other brands to see if they will cycle properly?

[Majorlk]

Originally Posted by ral2ooo

I have no place to shoot most of the time other than my back yard. While legal in my area I have no desire to be any louder than can be helped ( I live in a nest of liberals but that is another story). At any rate the CCI quiet is very and works well in my AR 15 22. It even cycles and chambers the next round to my surprise. However it does not cock the hammer. Would it be possible to use a lighter recoil spring while using these low power rounds to allow the bolt to cock the hammer? Any other thoughts?


RAL

The problem is not so much the recoil spring on the bolt, it's the hammer spring. Reducing the hammer spring power is a good way to ensure a high percentage of failures to fire.

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by Majorlk

The problem is not so much the recoil spring on the bolt, it's the hammer spring. Reducing the hammer spring power is a good way to ensure a high percentage of failures to fire.

Thanks. Ya I would not lighten the hammer spring, I was hoping just a little less tension on the bolt might be enough to get the hammer to catch. How about a 50 grain subsonic...any such animal?

RAL

[Gopher Slayer]

I've used the lighter JP yellow springs for over a year now. They haven't caused any failures of any kind for me.

[dan01]

Why not buy a cheap single shot and look on You Tube for the "oil filter silencer" and not **** up such a nice rifle as the S&W 15 22???

[Majorlk]

Originally Posted by Gopher Slayer

I've used the lighter JP yellow springs for over a year now. They haven't caused any failures of any kind for me.

Just the opposite for me.

[Gopher Slayer]

Originally Posted by Majorlk

Just the opposite for me.

I read a ton of complaints about that.

I guess I got lucky or my trigger job helped.

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by dan01

Why not buy a cheap single shot and look on You Tube for the "oil filter silencer" and not **** up such a nice rifle as the S&W 15 22???

Not screwing any thing up. A lighter recoil spring has been used on many guns to deal with loads of different power. I would like to shoot my gun in my backyard without disturbing the neighbors. Thought I might tap into the knowledge on here and see if anyone had done so on the 15 22 to allow cycling the subsonic rounds. Foolish me, thought that was kinda one of the purposes of these forums

RAL

[w0ady]

i run the jp yellow springs without any issues as well although ive read about similar issues for some.

springs are cheap so why not just give it a try, you've got nothing to lose but a few dollars. and they're not permanent so you can always go back, its not "screwing up" anything.

[Juvicator]

What Majorlk was saying ( I think) is that a softer recoil spring won't negate the pressures needed to cock the hammer. Lighter sub sonic round has a hard time pushing the bolt back over the hammer to reset it. If ammo is putting out less power the hammer spring has to be lighter, if the hammer spring is lighter you could run into light primer strikes.

Just save up for the suppressor and tell your neighbors to go hug a tree.

[Majorlk]

Originally Posted by Juvicator

What Majorlk was saying ( I think) is that a softer recoil spring won't negate the pressures needed to cock the hammer. Lighter sub sonic round has a hard time pushing the bolt back over the hammer to reset it. If ammo is putting out less power the hammer spring has to be lighter, if the hammer spring is lighter you could run into light primer strikes.

Just save up for the suppressor and tell your neighbors to go hug a tree.

Exactly. There's no harm in trying, though, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work as you expect.

A lighter recoil spring has been used on many guns to deal with loads of different power.

That's primarily with centerfire pistols with a locked breech. Blowbacks are another animal entirely. There is a very small allowance for the balance between recoil spring pressure and bolt inertia.

Thought I might tap into the knowledge on here and see if anyone had done so on the 15 22 to allow cycling the subsonic rounds. Foolish me, thought that was kinda one of the purposes of these forums

You asked and got answers based on our experience - which is exactly what you asked for. That the answers are not what you wanted to hear is immaterial.

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by Majorlk

You asked and got answers based on our experience - which is exactly what you asked for. That the answers are not what you wanted to hear is immaterial.

Thanks for your help


RAL

[strobro32]

I combined the yellow reduced power JP springs and the speed hammer modification. IMHO I think if you decrease spring force you should decrease the mass of the hammer too to compensate.

These modifications increased my reliability with subs and HV. The only ammo that has failed to fire in the last 1500 rounds are factory duds. I have had no FTFs because of light primer strikes.

[farmerjohn]

Originally Posted by ral2ooo

Thanks. Ya I would not lighten the hammer spring, I was hoping just a little less tension on the bolt might be enough to get the hammer to catch. How about a 50 grain subsonic...any such animal?

RAL

Aguila makes a 60gr SSS I have not shot these in my Smith PC but they work in my Colt M4 and my Walther P22 . Aguila also makes some 20gr 500 fps , they are not recomended for rifles but I have killed racoons with these useing a bolt action Marlin .

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by strobro32

I combined the yellow reduced power JP springs and the speed hammer modification. IMHO I think if you decrease spring force you should decrease the mass of the hammer too to compensate.

These modifications increased my reliability with subs and HV. The only ammo that has failed to fire in the last 1500 rounds are factory duds. I have had no FTFs because of light primer strikes.

What sub sonic rounds have you run? What is the speed hammer mod? Thanks

RAL

[strobro32]

CCI Standard velocity is the ammo and Trigger job-speed hammer pics for the speed hammer mod.

[Rundover]

When the bolt is forced back it has to push on the hammer to reset. There is friction there which can be lessened by polishing. Without any added cost why don't you try and smooth out the surfaces that rub together reducing the friction which will make the bolt move easier. Personify I polish all mating surfaces and spray on Teflon chain lube which makes the surfaces slick and it doesn't attract dirt.

[photoracer]

Originally Posted by ral2ooo

Yes it is legal but funds are short at this time. The suppressor guy around here wants about $400 plus the stamp $200 Plus I am told that these 22s are not that much quieter with a suppressor than they are with the better subsonic loads. The sound of the bullet hitting the backstop is as loud as the gun with these CCI rounds.


RAL

You are slightly misinformed. Suppressors are designed to use subsonic ammo. If you use HP ammo the suppresser will not suppress the sonic boom and that is why people are saying that. What you want to do is pick an ammo that will not go SS in your gun depending on your altitude, barrel length, and humidity. Usually that means any kind of standard velocity ammo. That includes not only subsonics, but every variety of match ammo on the market. I tend to find that match ammo or CCI-SV is the most consistant. Just depends on whether your gun will cycle them or not. You might consider Aguila SSS 60g subsonics. While they prefer a 1:9 barrel twist they will work in a standard .22 1:16 twist out to at least 75 yards before they start keyholing (tumbling).

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by Rundover

Personify I polish all mating surfaces and spray on Teflon chain lube which makes the surfaces slick and it doesn't attract dirt.

Thanks will give it a try.

RAL

[ral2ooo]

Originally Posted by photoracer

You are slightly misinformed. Suppressors are designed to use subsonic ammo. If you use HP ammo the suppresser will not suppress the sonic boom and that is why people are saying that. What you want to do is pick an ammo that will not go SS in your gun depending on your altitude, barrel length, and humidity. Usually that means any kind of standard velocity ammo. That includes not only subsonics, but every variety of match ammo on the market. I tend to find that match ammo or CCI-SV is the most consistant. Just depends on whether your gun will cycle them or not. You might consider Aguila SSS 60g subsonics. While they prefer a 1:9 barrel twist they will work in a standard .22 1:16 twist out to at least 75 yards before they start keyholing (tumbling).

No understand how suppressors work. Shoot some of this CCI quiet it is impressive. I'll try some of the 60 gr Aguila if I can find it. Thanks

RAL