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Old 01-19-2013, 07:58 AM
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Last time out at the shooting range I set up a couple of spent shotgun shells as targets. 15 yd distance. I got 9 of the 10 first shot and went to retrieve them. Some of the shells had holes thru the side, some did not. How much of a shockwave, if any, does a 22lr round have? I was using Federal bulk ammo if that makes any difference.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:09 AM
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That is what I am trying to determine. I am not a very good shot.
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I doubt a shockwave would've knocked them down, seeing as paper targets barely move at all when hit by bullets. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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Any errant breeze will blow them over.
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No wind that day.
I am hoping to get out again on monday and trying the same 10 shells. Might not get out much after that, high mid 20s, low around 10 midweek on. Not fun shooting when your finger are numb from the cold.
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No wind that day.
I am hoping to get out again on monday and trying the same 10 shells. Might not get out much after that, high mid 20s, low around 10 midweek on. Not fun shooting when your finger are numb from the cold.
Wear gloves and jam a hand warmer or two inside the grip.



Hand Warming Core.
That would make a cool grip plug option for the MOE/MIAD.

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Hand Warming Core.
That would make a cool grip plug option for the MOE/MIAD.
Just grab the barrel while shooting, and the shoot left handed for the other hand.
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Wear gloves and jam a hand warmer or two inside the grip.



Hand Warming Core.
That would make a cool grip plug option for the MOE/MIAD.
Since the the handgrip makes it an assault weapon, according to some political types, S+W could say it is a handwarmer. Thus no longer a banned weapon.
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Shooting empty shotgun shells is something my son and I love to do. Sometimes you can miss a little low or to the side and the dirt spraying up will knock them over, especially if they are not setting on hard packed level ground.
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Shooting empty shotgun shells is something my son and I love to do. Sometimes you can miss a little low or to the side and the dirt spraying up will knock them over, especially if they are not setting on hard packed level ground.
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The shotgun shells are on top of a large 2x4 wooden frame that holds a 4x8 ft sheet of thin plywood.
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I suggest putting a piece of paper or cardboard behind the shotshells during your test.
Then you can confirm where the shot went.
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Did you shoot the board?
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The shotgun shells are on top of a large 2x4 wooden frame that holds a 4x8 ft sheet of thin plywood.
Hitting the 2x4 will knock them over. A 4x4 is better.
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Since the the handgrip makes it an assault weapon, according to some political types, S+W could say it is a handwarmer. Thus no longer a banned weapon.
And as I said in another post,the mags can be paper weights. Now we have a handwarmer... Next Idea ...
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Hitting the 2x4 will knock them over. A 4x4 is better.
This target holder is at my outside firing range. And yes a 4x4 would be better. I could tape paper or cardboard to the wood frame behind the shells. Good idea guys.
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When you hit a shotgun shell with a .22, they don't just fall over. They usually go flying for a pretty good distance.

Did these just fall over? If they traveled any distance at all, you hit them. It just didn't punch a hole.
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I suggest putting a piece of paper or cardboard behind the shotshells during your test.
Then you can confirm where the shot went.
This is probably the best idea yet.

Yes there is a shock wave, if the bullet velocity is above 1000 fps, which is roughly the sound barrier at sea level. The shock wave is small but a near miss could do what you suspect. The loud crack, that you hear from a .22 is, the bullet breaking the sound barrier, not the powder charge.

If you have ever fired sub-sonic .22's from a bolt action rifle you will have noticed how quiet they are. With the sub-sonic ammo, the sound you hear is the powder charge as the bullet makes no sound when the velocity is less than the speed of sound. The sub sonic ammo is louder in a revolver as the sound of the powder charge is heard from the gap between the cylinder and barrel throat. I have never fired sub-sonic .22's from a semi auto.
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You can hit shotgun shells a bit off center amd the nillet wont pass through, ive sjot tjousands, at some point you need to switch to empty 22 cases.
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I'll bet that you nicked it ever so slightly.
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I got 9 of the 10 first shot and went to retrieve them. Some of the shells had holes thru the side, some did not. How much of a shockwave, if any, does a 22lr round have?
If rounds whizzed past /you/ an inch or so away, wouldn't /you/ hit the ground without getting shot??
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