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Old 05-14-2013, 07:26 PM
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when you install the 6inch barrel shroud, you will notice that you have to remove the cap to the free floating rail. well that didnt sit right with me.
so i dremelled it to fit around the shroud, and painted only the outer ring to match the rest of the scheme. (i left the legs of the cap black because they poke out through the vent holes)

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So I must say that i'm a persistent S.O.A.B..!

I decided to go at removing my flash hider myself after doing a little research online. Figured it couldn't be that hard right? Boy was I wrong. I actually messed up the finish slightly on my first try. I know I know, even after reading the stories on here about getting the right tools. But I figured that since I was going to put on a barrel shroud on anyway, that it would cover it.

First thing I did was try with a pair of pliers with a inner tube wrapped around the barrel (yup, stupid) and that's what did the slight damage. Researching a little more I found a couple of other methods. I tried the "in the pinch" method of a leather belt wrapped around the barrel in the vise and that didn't work as the barrel would still turn.

Next, after hearing about success people had with two pieces of 2x4 I tried that and I tightened it until I heard wood crack yet after hitting the wrench a couple times with a hammer it STILL would not budge! I was about to give up and order the right vise blocks from Jody @tacticool22 or take it to a gun smith since that thing seemed to be pinned on there as the amount of pressure I thought I was putting on the barrel seemed excessive. But it couldn't be, I thought to myself.

So I had bought two sets of 2x4 cut to 4" and after the first try bent a groove into the wood I trashed those and I set out to try the drilled groove method on the second set. Got the two blocks, put 4 nickles on the corners of one block then sandwiched them with the other block to create some space/gap. I then tightened up my "sandwich" on the vice and used an 11/16th spade drill bit to drill a hole long ways through both blocks. I sanded the grooves a little to smooth it out then I went to town again on the barrel.

This time though I used a rubber mallet to tighten the vise even more then I had done previously by hand. After a few good whacks it still didn't seem to budge. I gave it one more good hit and BAM, it finally came loose!

I don't know why the hell they would torque down that thing so f'n much but i'm glad I finally kicked it's A**!

Are they ALL like that? If so, that's just crazy. Anyways, I was able to test fit my Kineti-tech shroud and I must say it looks hella nice! Only problem is I ordered the longer tube as I wanted to make sure my shroud would tuck into the JP handguard that I will be ordering soon but it's to thick that it doesn't fit into the stock 15-22 handgaurd.

So it'll have to wait a little longer to get'r done but it's coming along. Sorry for the long rant, here's some pics.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:21 PM
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Hey, for a non threaded barrel... Does that tacticool shroud require buying a separate threaded piece to attach to the barrel, like the other company does? If not, his would be cheaper. Just wondering...

No one notice accuracy loss with that weight up front?
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:36 PM
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Hey, for a non threaded barrel... Does that tacticool shroud require buying a separate threaded piece to attach to the barrel, like the other company does? If not, his would be cheaper. Just wondering...

No one notice accuracy loss with that weight up front?
No adapter needed. That's the whole point of a barrel shroud for the non-threaded barrel.
Just slip it on, tighten the set screw and go have fun.
If you want to really make sure the shroud will never move, drill a small divot in the center of the mark with a 1/4 inch drill bit almost to where the "cone" ends. Put a little blue thread lock on the set screw and tighten everything down. Now that the screw tip is in the divot, there is no way for it to move.
And that is the same spot you would have the set screw for the thread adapter. That way you can put a real flash hider or muzzle brake or whatever else you want on your rifle.
Turn your barrel shroud around and just like magic, you have what looks like a suppressor. With no guts and a large opening there is no lessening of the sound.
My shrouds are open on one end to comply with an obscure ruling by the ATF about what a suppressor is. So DO NOT close that open end and do not buy a shroud with 2 closed ends.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:03 AM
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No adapter needed. That's the whole point of a barrel shroud for the non-threaded barrel.
Just slip it on, tighten the set screw and go have fun.
If you want to really make sure the shroud will never move, drill a small divot in the center of the mark with a 1/4 inch drill bit almost to where the "cone" ends. Put a little blue thread lock on the set screw and tighten everything down. Now that the screw tip is in the divot, there is no way for it to move.
And that is the same spot you would have the set screw for the thread adapter. That way you can put a real flash hider or muzzle brake or whatever else you want on your rifle.
Turn your barrel shroud around and just like magic, you have what looks like a suppressor. With no guts and a large opening there is no lessening of the sound.
My shrouds are open on one end to comply with an obscure ruling by the ATF about what a suppressor is. So DO NOT close that open end and do not buy a shroud with 2 closed ends.
Ok, thanks for the info. That price makes it a little easier to get one, since I dont have to buy another $30+ piece with threads to attach to the barrel first.

I'm not really comfortable drilling that divot, but I assume it will stay in place well enough without it.

Anyway, I think I will probably buy the 4.5 inch model as soon as I can come up with some funds.
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Can't believe I paid what I did...but here is is.



I think I might see if I can modify it to integrate the comp and shroud a little more.

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Old 07-03-2013, 11:06 PM
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I went and ordered the smaller one from Tacticool today. I think it looks more like a silencer with a little of the barrel showing. Wentw ith that over the longer ones.

Anyway - can't wait to get it in hand
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Barrel shroud? Isn't that the shoulder thingie that goes up?

I need to get one for my newer 15-22 but want to find something a little different that the plain ones I see on GB.
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:08 PM
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Previously ordered a Tacticool barrel shroud for my M&P 22LR carbine. Well, it came in today

Yes, I couldn't help myself

I got the 4.5" version - as I thought it looked more like a suppressor that way - instead of covering the entire barrel from the end of the quadrail.

I did a LOT of reading on these - and apparently it doesn't effect the aim or wear on the weapon at all (for instance: on the FN PS90, the barrel moves as it fires, and many believe that the extra weight will damage the receiver over time)

Anyway - I think it makes the gun look much "cooler"

Now, just need my optic in. Sold the Eotech and am waiting on my Mepro 21 Reflex sight to come in...

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Old 08-01-2013, 09:45 PM
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So I FINALLY made up my mind. Installed my Tacticool22 shroud for my threaded barrel as soon as I got home to it today. I couldn't be happier with it. It looks awesome!! And I think it actually weighs less than the flash hider.



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Old 08-02-2013, 10:57 AM
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Very cool

Here is a pic of the final product - I didn't have my optic on in the above photo

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Hanzerik,

Where did you get the purple hardware? My wife loves that color and wants it for hers...lol
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Kineti-tech "Multi Ported Muzzle Brake Style" barrel shroud

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Nice pics fellas, im trying to decide on what combo I want from kinetic

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So I FINALLY made up my mind. Installed my Tacticool22 shroud for my threaded barrel as soon as I got home to it today. I couldn't be happier with it. It looks awesome!! And I think it actually weighs less than the flash hider.
I am really happy with the products I bought from Tacticool. I Just wish his shrouds had something that made it visually stand out a bit more from the crowd. I am sure the quality is excellent though.
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I am really happy with the products I bought from Tacticool. I Just wish his shrouds had something that made it visually stand out a bit more from the crowd. I am sure the quality is excellent though.
Thanks for the kind words. My thinking on standing out from the others is not putting a bunch of junk (advertising) all over my stuff. If someone likes the look of what you have and asks you where you got it and you tell them, that is the best advertising possible. I like really clean lines without a bunch of holes or skulls or other gimmicks that take away from the true quality. If there is a bunch of stuff going on...What are they trying to hide?
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The tacticool shroud is amazing, but i wanted something bigger, so got some help and got a Kinetitech.



Love both!
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Thanks for the kind words. My thinking on standing out from the others is not putting a bunch of junk (advertising) all over my stuff. If someone likes the look of what you have and asks you where you got it and you tell them, that is the best advertising possible. I like really clean lines without a bunch of holes or skulls or other gimmicks that take away from the true quality. If there is a bunch of stuff going on...What are they trying to hide?
Yes, I looked at all the various ones. I liked yours the best.
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Im torn between kineti tech and spikes. Wheres the cheapest with shipping can I find the spikes shroud

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15-22 with 16" threaded barrel has Kineti-Tech AAC style shroud.
AR15 with 11.5" barrel has AAC M4-2000 suppressor.

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How far does the spikes shroud go into the rail?

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U can just snug it up to the plastic insert thats inside the rail. Or u can remove the plastic insert and screw it in another 1/2 inch or so.
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So its in there enough to where u can't see the open end

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Lowest price is mine. Cheapest it is not.
You shouldn't be looking at the front of your rifle straight on, so you won't really see the gap.
You can also cut the hand guard end cap to clear the shroud.
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Good thats what I wanted. Just didnt want it stopping right at the guard. Wanted it to at least go in to hide the opening. Thanks yall

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This is my Tacticool shroud installed backwards so it would match up with my comp. Looks much better now.

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I am no expert on suppressors or the law, but by the definition of "SILENCER" by the ATF, I don't see how the Kineti-Tech shroud could be considered an NFA item just by adding a second "cap".
Just ordered the flat face barrel shroud.
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For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Silencer is defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24)
The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

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I am no expert on suppressors or the law, but by the definition of "SILENCER" by the ATF, I don't see how the Kineti-Tech shroud could be considered an NFA item just by adding a second "cap".
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For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Silencer is defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24)
The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

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Hey everyone...FIRST I must say thanks for all the support and comments throughout this forum about the products we manufacturer. There are MANY good looking products on the market so its a honor to see so many comments and pics using our products. We will start to be here more to help with questions maybe post some new items etc. ANY questions please ask as we hold a type 7 FFL with an SOT.


However, just to clear something up.... we received an email yesterday about this "cap" thing so I thought I would just post our response email back here.

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Hello and thanks for your email. I can say as a licensed manufacture of NFA items these are in no way in need of a tax stamp even with multiple caps in your possession. The tubes are not threaded on the back to accept a second cap nor is the cap threaded in such a manner to be screwed on from the back. You would physically have to machine, cut, weld holes and thread multiple parts to make a shroud into a suppressor.....then it's well...on you for doing so. In all honesty in would be easier for you to go down the road to Home Depot and buy parts to make a suppressor then alter a shroud into one. "

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Do you remember the GSG ATI barrel shroud is now considered a suppressor in 2010?
The BATFE decided that a shroud that has two caps and a chamber is a suppressor. Even if there are no holes in the barrel and no baffles or sound dampening material or even if it did not make the firearm any quieter. They must have figured the "You COULD" factor was too much.

The GCA, 18 USC 921 (a) (24), defines 'firearm silencer' as follows:

"....any device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication."

General characteristics of known firearm silencers include:
1 Ported inner tube (bleed holes)
2 Expansion chambers
3 Baffles or washers which create seperate expansion chambers
4 sound dampening material such as foam, steel wool and other materials
5 End Caps
6 Encapsulators

The GSG barrel shroud incorporates a large expansion chamber and integral end caps and, therefore, was classified as a firearm silencer."
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Very much interested in the topic, as per definition by the law it doesn't fit or apply to any shroud and a lawyer could make that point and win the case, with a simple sound test.
A shroud, even though resembles in the General description of a "silencer" (#5 and #6 only), but does not achieve the goal of suppressing, then by definition it's not a suppressor.
Of course, it's the government and they have too much power, with little brains and no common sense.
Is there a ruling on this GSG ATI shroud, that we can read or you can refer us to???
Was it the same style or design as the Kineti-Tech???
Was the rear cap on the GSG ATI screwed or O-ring pressed???
Was a bird cage part of or integrated to the chamber in some way that it could muffle or hide the signature of the fire???
Hear say might be enough to convince some people, but being indoctrinated in the scientific method, I would like to read the law, ruling or case report.
If you can point us in the right direction or provide the written info, I would appreciate it very much.
I have no association with Kineti-Tech or monetary interest, I actually have now products from both of you and both are quality pieces.

OK, I went on searching the net and found this on Truth about Guns on the GSG ATI fake can:

Apparently, some of the earlier versions were not “faux enough” to meet the strict standards of our friends at the BATF, and so a recall has been instituted. If you own a GSG 5, you can go to ATI’s website to check out whether your gun is on the recall list.

And on The Firearm Blog:
On January 2010 American Tactical Imports Inc received official notification from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and explosives that the original barrel shroud (aka: fake suppressor) supplied with your GSG 5 SD model must be replaced. It has been determined that this shroud is regulated under the National Firearms Act.

And from AR15 Forum;
The fake GSG ATI suppressor makes for a longer barrel. Longer barrels naturally are going to suppress sound by something like 3dB.


This last quote is what probably made the GSG ATI illegal by ATF definition of "silencers", but no one really knows.
Having said that then, the Kineti-tech fake can model I got does not extend the barrel, being flush, so I am good to go.
PS be mindful of the front cap you are getting, that doesn't extend anything, so you can satisfy the ATF people.

From ATI people on the AR15 Forum posted Feb. 2010:
When we met with the ATF about this in january one of their field agents showed us how to make a suppressor out of a bottle of water that was on the table. Granted, we have seen fake cans come in on gun repairs that have definately been altered and maybe they seized a gun with an altered one, i really don't know. They contacted us about it way back in Novemeber and it's all been slowly building up, but other than letting us know that we imported over 13 thousand guns that they have now decided are NFA firearms, telling us to formulate a plan for a recall/swap out and sending agents here to monitor our movements on this, they're not really telling us a whole lot.

We at ATI only have an official ruling on the can its self as being now classified as a real silencer. ATF has not issued any official documents regarding this publically or to ATI, other than having their lawyers approve the statement that starts this thread for consumers. I wish I had a 'here's the official word!' doc from ATF to give you, but it appears at this time I will not be getting one, or be allowed to show you what I already have.
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The GSG shroud was recalled in 2010 because it was simple to convert to a suppressor...not by modifying the shroud but porting the barrel itself.

To explain a bit. The GSG shroud threads at the base of the hand guard apposed to the front like most shrouds on the market. Being threaded at the base meant the barrel passed through a hollow tube (the shroud) and sealed at the back by the hand guard where its threaded. People were drilling/porting there barrels hence making it a suppressor..kinda like an integral suppressor to be exact. The new GSG shroud still threads at the base but has an additional internal tube running through it about .050 bigger then the barrel diameter itself. This is all welded together so the internal tube in the shroud can not be removed.

*Again it would be easier to go to home depot to build a suppressor from scratch then it would be to convert any shroud into one. Of course not condoning this do to legal reasons just trying to make the point. Hell the ATF will tell you a water bottle is a suppressor if you ask. So if you have a gun, bottle of water and some tape all in you car a the same time.....look out don't get caught.

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Considering selling my TactiCool22 barrel shroud. This thing looks great and is of high quality, but after having it on for a while, I'm thinking of going back to the stock barrel look. Mine is in excellent, like new condition. Anyone interested can just shoot me a PM.
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necro thread for sure, but thought this was funny, so...

Here's my Spike fake can. Notice the text is opposite from the others shown... I suppose if I screwed it in the other way, ie extending away from barrel instead of back over it, the txt would align normally. So I guess they have two versions. Or, I got a fake fake can lol. Never bothered me enough to worry about it though. I like it b/c it adds a bit of weight to the package and it balances better.

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The text is upside down because there is no way to determine where the male or female threads start. You will have to use a crush washer or peel washers to get the text to be in the correct orientation.
That's just another reason we don't put any of that useless stuff on our shrouds.
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The text is upside down because there is no way to determine where the male or female threads start. You will have to use a crush washer or peel washers to get the text to be in the correct orientation.
That's just another reason we don't put any of that useless stuff on our shrouds.
True, good point if I turned it another 180 degrees the text would be correctly oriented - I am using peel washers so I might just do that . The spider would still be on the opposite end compare to the other poster's pic - not that it matters of course, just noting the difference. Could be different runs from ST or from different vendor, etc.
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The other difference could be if they laser them specifically for shrouds or fake suppressors.
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Is that Spike's CAR-1 fake suppressor?
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Yes it is.

They make nice barrel weights for those who don't care for extremely lightweight rifles.

It was still a little unbalanced in that pic for my liking. I've since added an aluminum free float handguard which makes it feel perfect in my hands.

DSC03253 by yalikedags, on Flickr
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Keneti-tech shroud. I love this rifle.

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Keneti-tech shroud. I love this rifle.

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