Hi All,

Just purchased a new 811-033 after much research this being my first AR style rifle of any kind. Was very impressed and excited until I shot it - long, lousy trigger and the bolt slams into the stock sending an unpleasant jolt up through my check to my inner ear. Am I missing something here or is this normal? If this is normal I will likely sell it. Appreciate any insight. Thanks.

Rick

Stock ARs are not noted for having great, smooth triggers and the 15-22 is no different IMO. That is why you will find many threads here about fixing the stock trigger, changing out trigger parts or replacing the whole trigger with a match trigger.

As far as the bolt slamming into the stock like that, I have no idea what you are describing.

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If you don't like what a 15-22 does when you fire it, you'd really freak out if you heard/felt a real AR-15's buffer/spring when it was fired.
If it bothers you that much, I doubt you'll have any trouble selling it.
Maybe something like this would work better? I guarantee it would eliminate that bothersome recoil noise you're talking about.

In pink? That is mean.

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Oh, I just heard that the pink ones had the best triggers, that's all.

Can I presume this is your first semi-auto rifle?

Are you using big, oversize ear protectors that are sitting tight against the stock? That magnifies any sound from the action.

FWIW, my 9-year old grandson doesn't experience any discomfort when shooting his 15-22.

All kidding aside, the way that any semi-automatic rifle functions will generate noise from the action. There's no way around it. The 15-22 has a blowback bolt system that does make noise when it reaches the end of its rearward travel. That's just how it is.
Majorlk made a good point about ear muffs transferring noise from the stock. My BCM 5.56 makes an amusing "boing" noise when it is fired, a result of the compression and relaxation of the buffer spring inside the metal receiver extension. It's just something you have to get used to with an AR-pattern rifle.
If it's genuinely a deal-breaker for you, then yes, you bought the wrong rifle. Fortunately you should be able to easily recoup your investment in the current firearms market.

Ditch the muffs -- those things amplify sounds in their own way. Get a set of foam or reusable plugs from Lowes or Dicks, etc. Get some trigger time on the rifle before you start bashing. The stock trigger takes a bit to get use to -- stock AR triggers are not that much better.

The ONLY time I use muffs, and I have several pair, is when I have RSO duty or am shooting pistols. I have noticed that muffs are becoming less and less frequent on rifle shooters at my range.

And if all else fails, send that 15-22 to me!

I'll give it good home where it will receive love, attention, and lot's of thorough cleanings.

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The bolt "slamming" into the stock doesn't seem right, however without more info it's impossible to figure out a solution.
Is it marking/gouging up the plastic end cap, or damaging the bolt?
Pics if it is.
I use low profile muffs and yeah on regular ARs when I set the muffs right against the stock you can get the buffer spring twang, never noticed it with my 15-22 though.

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AR style rifles are light, aluminum, and plastic, with a large piece of steel flying back and forth and a stock containing a big spring. Even in 22 rimfire, they are going to be noisy and echoey sounding. If you expected it to be solid, and quiet, like a bolt action rifle with a lot of steel and walnut, well.....welcome to "Tacticool" rimfire! I shot AR's in XTC shooting for years and we added a lot of lead to them to make them more solid, quieter, and easier to shoot rapid fire (in .223 of course). Great rifles for the intended purpose. Trigger-wise.....Stock single stage AR triggers are long, creepy, gritty, and lousy. We always took them out and installed a match grade two stage trigger costing > $200 for accuracy work. Sounds like you got caught up in the tactical black rifle frenzy and didn't understand what these rifles were all about.

I love the 1 post... then done

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The AR SPROING!!... gotta love it

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My AR makes a cloooing-shoonk sound that is remarkably springy in nature, with hollow overtones. My LM (Galil) makes a KA-klack sound (reciprocating bolt and charging handle )

One is curious as to how you are holding said rifle, the stock should be on your jaw/cheek not your hearing protection on your ears.....

KBK

Hey, we got one of those. I'm sure there are pics somewhere of me shooting it. We got it for my daughter for her 6th birthday.

You wear the pink safety glasses too?

Seriously, she looks great, with the ear protection & glasses. Someone is training her well.

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Thanks.

I might wear the pink safety glasses too....

hahaha i love it...

You'd be best to sell it. If the noise/vibration put out by the 15-22 is an issue for you, there really isn't much that can be done to change it. It's the nature of the beast.


If you think you ever need an AR type rifle, you need to shoot one first. Way more noise with an AR15 than the 15-22. That buffer spring is loud.

I bought my 15-22 last year and finally have it configured the way I want it and got some ammo and sighted it in and fired it for the first time last Thursday. What a sweet shooting rifle. I really love it.

I did not like that either. I was able to deaden a lot of the hollow bell ring by rolling up some 1/4" polyethylene foam into a dowel and stuffing it into the stock tube. Kills off a lot of the hollow reverberation (but not all) and muffles the sound quite a bit.

The trigger leaves a lot of room for improvement. I'd recommend an ALG Defense trigger and a KNS pin set.

The rifle has a lot of potential. Better than most AR platform 22LR guns. Don't give up on it that easy.....

Thanks for all the comments and advice, guys. By way of responding to all comments/questions, yes this is my fist AR type rifle. I have a 10/22, but am really a lever-action guy. To be honest I had no interest in ARs until I shot a friend's Mossberg which was really nice - nice trigger and no preceived recoil. I was hooked so did some research and liked what I heard about the M&P 15-22. I walked into a LGS one day and they had one so I took the plung. The first time I shot it I did wear ear muffs. That was a big part of the problem as I shot it last night with foam plugs and it was much better. Still not sure if it's for me, but I am warming up to it - and burning through a lot of ammo in the process, and the Walmart ammo shelves are still bare! Again, thanks for all the help. Happy shooting.

That Mosberg you shot isn't really an AR, has absolutely nothing in common with an AR other than "it kinda" looks like an AR. What Mosberg did was to take their very popular 702 series 22 semi auto rifle guts and stuff them into a molded plastic container (AR Shaped). So it really wouldn't feel or shoot like an AR.

The 15/22 on the other hand, uses a complete AR Fire Control Group and the rail and slide design is very much similar to the 22LR Conversion Parts offered to convert regular AR's to fire 22LR.

The 15-22 functions almost the same as it's bigger brother, with the exception that it's Rim Fire, lacks a Dust Cover and a Forward Assist and Gas system (since it's direct blow back) and does not have the recoil management system in the receiver extension tube like the full sized AR (where the AR "Sproing" comes from).

Just going to point out that he never said that the Mosberg was a 22. It could have been a Mosberg AR-15. But the rest of what you stated is very valid.

He did say there was "no perceived recoil" which sounds a lot more like .22 than .223.

Your probably right.

You're

Why can nobody ever let a dang slip go undocumented.

I wasn't in the military.

Friends and relatives who were, said they learned to like the twang sound of the M4/M16 buffer spring. It meant that another round had been successfully loaded. During war time conditions, that is usually very good.....

Major:

I will have to brag up my 5 year old daughter, who had no problem with the 15-22 (yes, for any lurking anti-gun nut jobs, it was under strict supervision, with proper eye and ear protection). I was kneeling behind her maintaining actual control of the rifle at all times, but with the rifle against her shoulder - I also helped with the trigger a little by putting my finger on top of hers to "help" her pull the trigger. She had been watching the various shooting programs on the Outdoor Channel and just begged to go. We have a fan for life. She was thrilled!!!!!

Shawn

"Go hunting WITH your kids so you don't have to go hunting FOR your kids."

You made me think of the "guy from Boston." Gotta love it!!

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Possible, but I do not really feel the .223/5.56 has any perceived recoil. On the other hand, maybe my shoulder is de-sensitized from decades of shooting!

I think the OP is a good sport! Welcome!