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Old 04-28-2013, 08:52 PM
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So i bought some of the canned sk stuff from Graffs but man this stuff is greasy is there a easy way to clean it or do i simply get the old rag out and get to wiping.thank fellas
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I don't know the ammo you are referring to, but I've never run across anything that needed cleaning before I could shoot it.

That said, you can either wipe it off with a rag with some alcohol on it or throw it in a tumbler for 30 minutes or so. Contrary to Internet myth, you will not hurt the ammo in any way doing this.
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I don't know the ammo you are referring to, but I've never run across anything that needed cleaning before I could shoot it.

That said, you can either wipe it off with a rag with some alcohol on it or throw it in a tumbler for 30 minutes or so. Contrary to Internet myth, you will not hurt the ammo in any way doing this.
So i can run it in my tumbler to get it clean and not have to worry about it going off.It has alot of lube on it.It was the sk stuff they were selling in a red can.
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So i can run it in my tumbler to get it clean and not have to worry about it going off.It has alot of lube on it.It was the sk stuff they were selling in a red can.
No, it's not going to go off.

Again, I have no idea what "sk stuff" is.
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I got some of the same ammo from Graf and sons. It is super greasy, but I ran about 200 rounds of it through my 15-22 the other day without any issues. It is a little hard to load the magazines because its pretty slippery, but it had no ill effects on the rifle. I would just run it.
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I've shot 500 rounds of it and it was just fine
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I have never seen 22 in a can... Any chance of photos? Why is making this stuff? Kyle
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NEVER run loaded ammunition through a tumbler. Yes, it can go off. 22s probably less likely than centerfires, but dangerous nonetheless.

Anyway, that greasy stuff is the lubricant and is there for a reason. It may be yucky, but if you remove it you'll have a hell of a time cleaning your barrel.
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Aside from what tail slide said yes you can run your ammo in a tumbler been doing it for years now! I shoot multiple gun games and never had anything happen in the tumbler while trying to get off my case lube
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I have this stuff too, looks fantastic, but it isn't greasy, it's oily. Not the normal wax/thick stuff that is on .22 rounds, but oily.

I posted pics of it in the ammo recieved thread. Shooting it today I think. I'm just going to pour it out on a towel, wipe it around, and then wipe the can out and pour it back in there. Should clean most of it off.
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I have never seen 22 in a can... Any chance of photos? Why is making this stuff? Kyle
It's made in Germany (which means if the UN thing goes through we won't be able to get it anymore). I have one of these cans, thinking of burying it in the back yard as an emergency stash. That way I can eat squirrels after the lights go out.
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NEVER run loaded ammunition through a tumbler. Yes, it can go off. 22s probably less likely than centerfires, but dangerous nonetheless.
Old wives tail. Please cite actual occurrences. I've been tumbling finished handloads for probably 30 years. Haven't had anything go off yet.

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Again, not supported by facts. Greasy cases can cause problems with both feeding and extraction, based on actual experience. Dry projectiles are not a problem, either. Greasy projectiles will gunk up a barrel fasted than dry ones.
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Old wives tail. Please cite actual occurrences. I've been tumbling finished handloads for probably 30 years. Haven't had anything go off yet.
I never tumble live ammo and here is a bulletin I found and go by.

Why You Should NOT Tumble Loaded Ammunition « Daily Bulletin

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It it's that greasy would sit in front of the TV with a rag and wipe them down but that's just me.
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Why You Should NOT Tumble Loaded Ammunition « Daily Bulletin

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Reread the bulletin, especially the part about prolonged tumbling. The amount of time it takes to remove case lube or the junk on the .22s in question will have zero effect on the powder.

It takes several hours of tumbling to physically change powder, if at all ... and then it only applies to stick-type powders and maybe large flake. Ball powders, which is what .22s are loaded with, will not change. Again, this is based on personal experience over the years.

Just an additional thought ... cases with full or compressed powder charges will not be affected no matter how long your tumble them - the powder doesn't move. It's the partially full cases that are the most likely to be affected, again, if at all.

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Old wives tail. Please cite actual occurrences. I've been tumbling finished handloads for probably 30 years. Haven't had anything go off yet.
Sorry, I don't keep a journal of actual occurrences of many things in my head, but it was something I had read well before stuff like this started showing up on the internet. Hasn't happened to you? Great. Anecdotes don't count.

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Again, not supported by facts. Greasy cases can cause problems with both feeding and extraction, based on actual experience. Dry projectiles are not a problem, either. Greasy projectiles will gunk up a barrel fasted than dry ones.
Now it's your turn to provide some evidence. Are we supposed to believe that people go to the mess, trouble and expense of lubricating lead bullets so that they'll have more of a mess in their barrels to clean up?
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Factories tumble their ammo to make that shiney look. If it is good enough for them.............. you decide.
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Sorry, I don't keep a journal of actual occurrences of many things in my head, but it was something I had read well before stuff like this started showing up on the internet. Hasn't happened to you? Great. Anecdotes don't count.



Now it's your turn to provide some evidence. Are we supposed to believe that people go to the mess, trouble and expense of lubricating lead bullets so that they'll have more of a mess in their barrels to clean up?
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I'm anal about cleaning guns and magazines. While I have yet to experience a ftf, I can tell you my magazines fill up with that CCI waxy mess rather quickly. If it is a plinker, no biggie. But if you are using it to save your life, don't forget about cleaning the mags if you prefer not to give the ammo a quick wipe before use.
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Sorry, I don't keep a journal of actual occurrences of many things in my head, but it was something I had read well before stuff like this started showing up on the internet. Hasn't happened to you? Great. Anecdotes don't count.



Now it's your turn to provide some evidence. Are we supposed to believe that people go to the mess, trouble and expense of lubricating lead bullets so that they'll have more of a mess in their barrels to clean up?
There's a BIG difference between wax or dry lube on a lead bullet and grease or oil. Most shooters know the difference.
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NO wonder they are greasy --they are in a LAYS patatoe <like GORE spelled it>chip can.
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NO wonder they are greasy --they are in a LAYS patatoe <like GORE spelled it>chip can.
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Hey, I don't agree with everything the Major states & I know for a fact he doesn't always agree with me, but IMO he deserves to be addressed with more respect. I'm pretty danged old & I know he is MUCH older than me, and our senior citizens deserve to be respected.
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There's a BIG difference between wax or dry lube on a lead bullet and grease or oil. Most shooters know the difference.
I guess I've never encountered anything like that. I've had some pretty messy stuff and assumed that was the case here.
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I am not sure if the effect will transfer over to live rounds. But I remember some people had issues with oily air rifle pellets. If i remember correctly they put them in a bag with some baby powder. Shake it up and it would pull the oil off and leave the pellets pretty dry and clean. I tried Googling doing just that, but did not come across anything. May be worth a try. Many people will have it around the house. just try a few rounds in a sandwich bag and see how it goes?
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I am not sure if the effect will transfer over to live rounds. But I remember some people had issues with oily air rifle pellets. If i remember correctly they put them in a bag with some baby powder. Shake it up and it would pull the oil off and leave the pellets pretty dry and clean. I tried Googling doing just that, but did not come across anything. May be worth a try. Many people will have it around the house. just try a few rounds in a sandwich bag and see how it goes?
That's a new one for me, but it sounds like worth trying. Thanks for the tip.
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I know of a few comp shooters that tumble the greasy/ sticky rimfires because they claim it sticks up their magazines if they dont.
That sort of makes sense to me.
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I know of a few comp shooters that tumble the greasy/ sticky rimfires because they claim it sticks up their magazines if they dont.
That sort of makes sense to me.
That's a pretty good assumption.

There should be no lubrication of any kind on cases, rimfire or centerfire. There should be no wet lube of any kind on the projectiles, either. I don't know about the cheap, imported .22 LR stuff, but virtually every quality ammo manufacturer lubricates their .22 projectiles with either a dry lube or copper plating.
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A quick followup folks, while I still haven't gotten to shoot this stuff (I have found almost all positive reviews on it though) yet, I thought I'd check the can I opened last week today. I was thinking maybe the grease was just melted in the NM heat.

Opened the top, grabbed a few, and it is still a strange thin oil. I've shot dozens of different rifles, pistols, machine guns, both modern and antique, and I can't ever remember seeing anything like this on bullets. I have no doubt that it'll fire as fine as the reviews say (hopefully I finally do that this weekend), so I'll probably load up one mag with them as is, and one with them wiped down, to see if it fouls the mag at all.

These cans are nice too, I thought it was going to be like a Pringles can, they are metal, with a metal pull tab top that you have to peel off to get to the rounds, with a plastic cover.
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Be sure to post a range report on the stuff. I'm betting I am not the only one who is curious about the outcome.
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It's made in Germany (which means if the UN thing goes through we won't be able to get it anymore). I have one of these cans, thinking of burying it in the back yard as an emergency stash. That way I can eat squirrels after the lights go out.
I think I'd check to see if Kay on Duck Dynasty has a recipe book. Her family seems to love her squirrel stew. Me? I think I'd be shooting more duck ...
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Be sure to post a range report on the stuff. I'm betting I am not the only one who is curious about the outcome.
I will, best I can. It is made by Lapua, and supposedly the same grade as the Wolf Match ammo, just in a bulk can.

Here is the stuff, and where I got it.
Graf & Sons - SK AMMO 22LR 40gr LRN MAGAZINE 500/can 10/CS

Here's my post with pics from the Ammo thread.
Ammo Shipping/Problems - Keep it out of the Ammo FS thread.

If you Google...

sk magazine 22lr

There are several reviews/videos out there if you want a jump on them.

Consensus I've seen is very positive.
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My son picked up a can of it and ran some through a golden boy and a sig 1911-22. 1-2" inch groups from both guns at 50 yards and no failures.He did mention it being greasy.
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Jump over to rimfirecentral.com, under 22 Ammo, and read the SK Bulk comments, sounds like this stuff is like most Wolf, and SK, plenty of lube, but that may be part of why it shoots so good in some guns. Now I have to order some of this bulk ammo!
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I noticed this issue with CCI AR Tactical. Kind of like a waxy coating. I'm just beginning to learn about my 15-22 and whether it likes certain ammunition more than others. I probably shot about 150 rounds of this CCI and 100 of Winchester Super X the first time I fired my rifle (all through the same S&W 25 rd mag) and had absolutely no issues with either kind. I haven't shot it since but am planning on getting out this weekend to see how each of the different rounds below fire. Just curious if the waxy coating on the CCI will dirty up the barrel sooner than other ammo. I've heard CCI mini-mags work great and these CCI AR Tactical rounds state that they are specifically designed for rifles like our 15-22. Guessing it's not a big deal just wondering everyone else's thoughts.

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It's lube, that's the way it is supposed to be. Load it. Shoot it. Do not try to clean it.
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^^^
But but but!!!

I don't want to get my shirt oily!!!

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I will, best I can. It is made by Lapua, and supposedly the same grade as the Wolf Match ammo, just in a bulk can.
I can't imagine Lapua putting out junk. I wouldn't hesitate to buy and use it. In fact I may just to see if the oiliness is an issue.
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I can't imagine Lapua putting out junk. I wouldn't hesitate to buy and use it. In fact I may just to see if the oiliness is an issue.
Me, neither, but I can't imagine Lapua putting out anything like what has been described. Wolf, yes, but not Lapua. I've shot a lot of their ammo over the years and have never come across anything like it.
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http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...roductId/26099

500 round cans of the SK magazine 22 ammo are back in stock. Just picked up at eight more of them.

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I love this old chestnut. with MY luck and Murphy's law I don't do it. love the logic that I did it for 100 yrs and nothing ever happened to me, SO IT MUST BE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR ANYBODY. I've also witnessed lots of people pumping gas with a lit cigarette between their lips, and nothing happened to them (on that particular occasion), so that must be safe also. one reason you don't hear from the people that did have problems might be that they are too dead or embarrassed to talk about it. as a reloader I never saw any REAL need to tumble live ammo. if it did need some cleaning surely a rag wouldn't take long, maybe even less than putting it into, sifting it out of, running it for a period of time then wiping the dust off with a rag afterwards. better safe than sorry. as for lubed brass, I prefer a light coat of hornady one shot, after tumbling. it runs thru the dies better for me and seems to keep it's shine longer for long term storage. as it's a dry lube I can't tell any diff in firing it, maybe easier feeding/ejection if anything.
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The prohibition against tumbling, actually vibrating, loaded ammo is one of those shooting myths that have been floating around for years. Interesting theory about the dangers, but no factual evidence to back it up. The ammo manufacturers have used this method of cleaning and polishing finished ammo as the last step before packaging for decades.

You or others don't want to do it? That's fine with me.
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The ammo manufacturers have used this method of cleaning and polishing finished ammo as the last step before packaging for decades.
I'm sure it would be pretty safe to bet that the way the ammo manufacturers tumble clean their ammo differs markedly from the way I clean brass. You've made me rethink the whole concept but I still see no reason to do it with my reloads.
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NO wonder they are greasy --they are in a LAYS patatoe <like GORE spelled it>chip can.
Was that GORE or QUAYLE?

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So I shouldn't tumble my live rounds in a 55 gallon drum with hammers and anvils anymore?

Sheesh...

Oh, by the way, Graf & Sons is becoming my favorite place to get ammo. Got a shipping notice today, will have my other 4000 rounds of the SK on Wednesday.
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FedEx dropped off two cans of it to my house today, I opened one of the and yes this stuff is greasy. I dumped out about a third of the can on a light blue bath towel and started to roll it on the workbench between the towel. And man let me tell you how dirty this stuff was, after cleaning the first can the towel was black with oily residue. I am glad I decided to try and clean it, had it not been so greasy I might have not done this. Only took about 10 min. to do the one can, and it got most of the excess residue off the rounds. Will proberbly be easier to load now.
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The black is from the lead tips, the oil/grease is clear.

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