Thoughts on the Ammo Situation

JLMartinez88 · #**101** 05-15-2013, 07:41 AM

Water is a little different than ammo.

JLMartinez88 · #**102** 05-15-2013, 07:41 AM

Also this forum is going no where.

eet · #**103** 05-15-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Magicmonger

Good analogy...

really???? Water is a requirement to sustain life, ammunition is not.

This comes down to whether you believe in capitalism and supply and demand economics or not. If it truly were an item required to sustain life, like water, food or air, I could see some reason to complain. It may not be pleasant and you may think less of folks who sell at insane prices but it is their option to do so.

During these times I have been able to secure a little more than 5k rounds at an average price of $.09-.10 to my door. Almost all of it has been purchased online. I shoot 300-500 per week so I think my supply is acceptable. I have let product sit on shelves so others could buy it, even though I could have bought and I have sold to friends at my cost. That said, I have no problem with what some folks are selling product for. I know that businesses that do this won't get my business when this is over but it is well within their right to do it.

RedNeck Jim · #**104** 05-15-2013, 08:24 AM

I have found this discussion stimulating. I would have thought this message board would have been loaded with conservatives... if not ultra conservatives. Yet, I see all these posts from folks wanting to put limits on capitalism & seeing excessive profit as a bad thing. I guess many are conservative only until it impacts their life, then they want intervention or wish to call foul.

Hey, this is fine as I see myself as a moderate. I lean more to the left on social issues but lean very far right on economic ones. I'm just surprised to have seen so many that don't fully support the good & the bad of capitalism... and greed has always been a factor in that. If someone can buy a non essential commodity, such as ammo, for .05 each and sell it for .20 each, I say God bless them. Is that greedy? I could care less. If the market can bear it... go for it. However basic economics tells us there will eventually be a market correction. I've always heard the saying "Buy low, Sell high". To me that was always a great economic model but listening here, seems others see that as greedy.

Guess I'm just getting too danged old. I just don't get it. But that is the beauty of our system... we all don't have to agree.

ChattanoogaPhil · #**105** 05-15-2013, 08:59 AM

Y'all could have bought all the bulk pack .22 you wanted at $150/case last year. You didn't. You spent your money on other stuff because you figured you could stop by Walmart to buy a brick whenever you wanted. You figured wrong.

That you are running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for ammo is not due to a moral failure of others.

Pointshoot · #**106** 05-15-2013, 10:08 AM

Yep . . . way back when I thought that 'no matter what, I can always shoot .22LR if nothing else.' Opps - - - broken crystal ball. Never saw that one coming.

As a regular habit I'd pick up some 22 every once in a while when doing other tasks in town. So I'm far from tapped out. But the 22LR that several of my rifles like best is tough to find now, even at higher prices. It was never on the shelves of local stores so I had to order it. None available now.

Thankfully, I'm in good shape with the centerfire stuff though. Centerfire is where I'd focused.

Gopher Slayer · #**107** 05-15-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oldnfat

To all the "hoarders". Would you feel the same way if water was in short supply? Your family had very little water to FILL THEIR SQUIRT GUNS and money was short. Water is expensive. Your neighbor just bought 5,000 gallons to fill his swimming pool. He found a deal at Walmart and bought all they had. Too bad for you. But, thats the free market. PISSY yet? Oh, it'll get better someday. Ooops! the federal gov't. just bought up 100,000,000,000,000 barrels of water LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO, BUT THIS TIME I"M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. It may take a while longer than I expected.

Fixed it. This analogy makes more sense.

I'm ready for this **** to be over too, but the gopher slaying must go on.

my_mp15-22_s&w · #**108** 05-15-2013, 10:35 AM

All the Brass is sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Next option is the non brass. It is also sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Next to these pallets are all the primers.

Nitrous SSC · #**109** 05-15-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by my_mp15-22_s&w

All the Brass is sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Next option is the non brass. It is also sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Next to these pallets are all the primers.

And the Roswell spacecraft.

JeffDeMello · #**110** 05-15-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

Y'all could have bought all the bulk pack .22 you wanted at $150/case last year..

Last time I owned a gun was 30+ years ago. Just bought my 15-22 in April. I had no idea .22 ammo was almost impossible to get.

Four T5 · #**111** 05-15-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eet

really???? Water is a requirement to sustain life, ammunition is not.

Until the people with ammo decide who gets the water!

Nitrous SSC · #**112** 05-15-2013, 12:54 PM

I find it funny so many are thinking the .22LR is being compared to water for apocalypse survival and hunting.

RedNeck Jim · #**113** 05-15-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitrous SSC

I find it funny so many are thinking the .22LR is being compared to water for apocalypse survival and hunting.

I think it funny for you to say that. Just shows we all have our varied opinions.

IMO, the 22lr is a great survival/hunting round. First of all it is cheap enough that I can keep well over 10,000 rounds in inventory. I'd have to drill an oil well to afford that much .223 or greater. What good is a survival round if 10-20 years down the road, you run out of ammo? Also, it is a great hunting round for food sources such as squirrels & rabbits... plus even deer in the right situation. That one round services three of my weapons... my 15-22, my Buck Mark pistol plus my CZ 455 Varmint. All 3 guns are threaded to accept my 22Sparrow suppressor, which IMO makes all 3 guns that much better for survival/hunting. Sure you can suppress larger calibers, however nothing is quieter than a suppressed 22.

Sure, I have other calibers which might be better in certain situations but if I had to pick just one... I'd choose the 22LR.

Blades · #**114** 05-15-2013, 02:19 PM

Hey Majorlk

You owe me some ammo.....

JeffDeMello · #**115** 05-15-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

It's called research before you buy ...

And no, it's not almost impossible to get. There are tons of it for sale. True you may not like the price, but the ammo is out there.

I researched the gun not the ammo situation, didn't know about it as I didn't need it.. And I refuse to buy at such inflated prices, which makes it almost impossible to buy..

Dezfan · #**116** 05-15-2013, 03:56 PM

Man, it looks like I missed all the fun.

Been down in the basement rolling around on top of all the 22LR I'm unfairly "hoarding"!

I'm sure I'll feel really bad this weekend while I'm at the range shooting. NOT!

rburg · #**117** 05-15-2013, 04:27 PM

Hey, I'm one of those hoarders you cry babies keep saying bad things about. I feel no remorse. And if some fool is willing to pay me $100 a brick for the 550s I paid $13. and change for, I'll sell. I see nothing unethical about it, its just a transaction. When or if you bid the price up high enough, almost anyone will sell. Until you're in the position of having to buy ammo, its just a value decision on your part. Would you rather go to a movie, concert, or buy a new DVD? I bet if we knew your income, we could say some pretty nasty things about how much you "make". You didn't earn that.

TheMaineEvent · #**118** 05-15-2013, 04:45 PM

I got into shooting right before things went south. I bought a 5.56 AR, bought a .45 pistol, and then a 15-22 in that order.

I had zero stock of ammo for any caliber, but I've been able to buy PLENTY of all of it during what is arguably the worst time to do so and haven't paid excessive prices for ANY of it.

Point being, there IS ammo out there to be had and at reasonable prices. If I can buy 15K of .22 ammo over the past 6 months for 5-7 cents/round then anyone can.

Call me a hoarder, I don't care. I shoot, help people out who need ammo, don't re-sell it for profit, but most of all, I am now comfortable with my supply.

You can be too and am proof that you can.

les strat · #**119** 05-15-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitrous SSC

All the retired people of America have banded together and realized if they get all the 22 ammo off the shelf as soon as its placed there they can sell it for more because everyone else that has a job can't be at the shooting store. So they sell it to them for more. Our local classifieds people are selling it for 45-50$ a brick, its ridiculous. Eventually their pension checks will be used up and it will go back down. Every time I visit the local sporting stores there are old guys in fold out chairs waiting. Its so sad.

"free market" is a term being used by the gougers to further their personal rip off goals. However fear not. There are tight groups of active shooters that are NOT ripping each other off and helping one another out. I was able to score 2lbs of tight group simply because I'm out shooting regularly with the local events.

When the floor drops out (and it will) people will have so much .22 they won't know what to do with it. I'm seeing it already with Pmags. People loosing their asses on spending $30 a piece for them now can't get rid of them for 18$ because the market is flooded. Soon you will see P-mags on your local classifieds going for less than retail. (as long as no one else goes bonkers with an AR)

Its a stupid panic that will pass. DO NOT FEED INTO IT. If you go buy a brick of 22 for $40 punch yourself in the face. Simply wait a month or 2 and don't go shooting.

Great post.

I am glad I had a decent stock of .223, .22, and 7.62x39. I do feel sorry for those who did not or just now bought a new firearm. As of now, I am not shooting much at all, just sitting on it for now. I believe bricks of .22 will never be under $19 again. But I will not pay $20 for 50 rounds of .22 nor will I pay $50-100 for a brick. That's stupid.

I have no problem with people buying for their own needs, but overbuying does keep this situation alive. I do hope that the gun and pawn shops that have been sending employees to buy up all the WM and Academy ammo and marking it up to stupid prices get burned when prices do drop and they have to sell for what they gave for it or less. Karma is a b****.

Nitrous SSC · #**120** 05-15-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeck Jim

I think it funny for you to say that. Just shows we all have our varied opinions.

IMO, the 22lr is a great survival/hunting round. First of all it is cheap enough that I can keep well over 10,000 rounds in inventory. I'd have to drill an oil well to afford that much .223 or greater. What good is a survival round if 10-20 years down the road, you run out of ammo? Also, it is a great hunting round for food sources such as squirrels & rabbits... plus even deer in the right situation. That one round services three of my weapons... my 15-22, my Buck Mark pistol plus my CZ 455 Varmint. All 3 guns are threaded to accept my 22Sparrow suppressor, which IMO makes all 3 guns that much better for survival/hunting. Sure you can suppress larger calibers, however nothing is quieter than a suppressed 22.

Sure, I have other calibers which might be better in certain situations but if I had to pick just one... I'd choose the 22LR.

.223 is cheap I have 3k of wolf and it was only because at the time I was going through it quick. I picked it up for 180 per 1000. Got busy with life and haven't shot any of it and have since reloaded better/hotter stuff. I have thought about selling it and making some SERIOUS cash but I'd rather shoot it off over the next 10 years and not have to worry about heading to the store to pick up some to hit the range.

Ammobob · #**121** 05-15-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSTYX

This thread is so pointless that it's, well, pointless. Just think of all the ammo you've lost out on while contributing to this thread.

If you think it's pointless why are you posting in it?

Ammobob · #**122** 05-15-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

Call it what you want, Bob, rationalize it any way you want ...

but whining, by any other name, is still whining ...

Anyway. It has always been and always will be about the ethics of what some sellers are doing. I am both surprised and sorry that some people either don't seem to get that, or are deliberately being smug or ignorant, or have no sense of ethics and are trying to derail the thread.

If you don't want to contribute, or don't like the topic, please do me a favor and move on. I am thankful to those who have added useful posts to the discussion. I realize ethics are a very subjective topic.

Ammobob · #**123** 05-15-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

Throwing that hoarder label around with nothing to back it up?

I don't hoard, I shoot. I went through something over 20k (all calibers) last year, but even if I didn't shoot and stashed it all away for the great zombie hoards, WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOUR'S, AMMOBOB'S or any one else??? NOT ONE STINKING BIT!!!

Nobody was trying to get into anyone's business. I was simply questioning the ETHICS of the way some people are pricing things and doing business (as in unethical business practices) during a perceived "crisis". No reason for anyone to misconstrue that, or to be getting angry. It's a simple ethics question, as that's what I am currently studying is business ethics and personal ethics in times of perceived "crisis". How some people's ethics, honor, morals, and desire to help their fellow man goes down the sewer, and how the me, me, me attitude and mindset is starting to take over in America today.

If you don't like that, or don't agree with it, don't post.

Ammobob · #**124** 05-15-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sonjason

In my 5 months on this board, this may be the most ridiculous thread yet.

Then don't participate if you don't like it. Doesn't it make you ridiculous by association?

Dezfan · #**125** 05-15-2013, 06:04 PM

Do you own a home Bob?

Ammobob · #**126** 05-15-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

I don't.

Around here a guy can drive around to Walmart, Dick's Sporting Goods, Academy, Sportsmans Warehouse... and find very reasonable price stickers on empty shelves. Or, a guy can go to Benton Shooters and find VERY high price stickers on stocked shelves. Benton Shooters is providing a service that others are not. Benton Shooters could lower their prices to $20/brick and be out of ammo in five minutes. So then there would be no one with in stock ammo. That would be great, eh? No.

Ok so we differ in our opinion of what's ethical. I have presented other scenarios of what I consider to be unethical business practices. I understand your reasoning is by charging an arm and a leg for it, they are making sure there is a supply. I get that. But the idea that there is a legitimate supply problem is false to begin with, and people are using the opportunity to make boatloads of money instead of passing on reasonable prices to the customer to ensure long term customer returns.

I can either take advantage of my customers and charge 5x what the product is worth and make a short term windfall, or I can provide what I get to my loyal customers at my normal profit margin and ensure that I have treated them well, they will remember who did good by them, and will return to me, as being "fair" when things return to normal. Better business model for a brick and mortar store I would think. If I were selling out of the back of my truck and not caring if you came back tomorrow, it would be a better business practice to get all I can get with every purchase. I'm surprised more people don't understand basic business.

JonF · #**127** 05-15-2013, 06:11 PM

....you could always do what I did. Went back to reloading my trusty .38special. I scrounge around to gun shows and a couple of local gun shops for all the components. I buy obsolete wadcutters for range work and I ask POLITELY for primers and powder when they become available. I take my time building a 100 or so rounds at a time and really enjoy the process.
Seems that many people today are in such a damn hurry to go nowhere that they miss whats in front of them.

Course i'm 74 and what do I know ?

Ammobob · #**128** 05-15-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezfan

I see nothing useless about it.

It's all open discussion and expression of opinions and views.

We may to all agree on the cause or the cure, but by discussing the topic and expressing our opinions, it helps us all see the other side of the discussion.

I find that valuable.

Thank you. And that's what it's all about, the discussion. Although the people that are letting this degrade into personal attacks and such are beyond disappointing. It's a discussion board, and very relevant to the situation at hand. (and my ethics class)

the ringo kid · #**129** 05-15-2013, 06:17 PM

Personally I dont mind a person making a profit be it selling old Comic Books, DvDs, Ammo etc but--just speaking for myself only, if I were selling some of these items--I would set a ceiling on how much to charge-such as; when I was younger-I charged $15.00 to mow a yard, edge it, weed eat it and clean up the left-overs. I did this while others charged more than double my price-and-not trying to brag--I always did a better job than some of the others.

Ammobob · #**130** 05-15-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

Y'all could have bought all the bulk pack .22 you wanted at $150/case last year. You didn't. You spent your money on other stuff because you figured you could stop by Walmart to buy a brick whenever you wanted. You figured wrong.

That you are running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for ammo is not due to a moral failure of others.

That's not the "moral" or "ethical" side of the problem I am asking about at all. I agree it's your fault if you are without ammo, money, food, water, whatever. YOUR FAULT. I believe heavily in personal responsibility.

The side I was looking at was the "questionable" business practices of some during a "crisis" event. And I do believe in capitalism as I have said many times, and there is always bad with the good. But, that being said, there will always be situations within such a system that people see as "excessive" or "greedy" or "immoral" or "unethical" regardless of their overall belief in, and even vehement support of the system itself. Very interesting to me....and the heart of this lively discussion.

Ammobob · #**131** 05-15-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezfan

Do you own a home Bob?

Yes. I don't know how that it relevant to a discussion of ethics but I am curious to see where you are going so I'll play.

Dezfan · #**132** 05-15-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammobob

Yes. I don't know how that it relevant to a discussion of ethics but I am curious to see where you are going so I'll play.

If you decided you wanted to sell it, would you sell it for what you paid or slightly over, or would you ask market value?

ChattanoogaPhil · #**133** 05-15-2013, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammobob

The side I was looking at was the "questionable" business practices of some during a "crisis" event.

Here's the "question". As I illustrated earlier.... Would you prefer that Benton Shooters had no ammo in stock like others? I answered No. You?

Lost Lake · #**134** 05-15-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammobob

I understand your reasoning is by charging an arm and a leg for it, they are making sure there is a supply. I get that. But the idea that there is a legitimate supply problem is false to begin with, and people are using the opportunity to make boatloads of money instead of passing on reasonable prices to the customer to ensure long term customer returns.

Are you sure?

These sellers used to get in a semi-load every time they called the warehouse. They could sell ammo at a 25% mark-up and keep the lights on.

NOW they can't get squat from the warehouse.

So how do you expect a store that sold $30,000 worth of ammo a month to keep from going under when all they can get now is a measly case every other week?

THAT'S what is driving the price up. The demand has far outstripped supply and people can't get what they want.

There are two ways out of this, and lowering prices is NOT one of them.

We can either flood the market with product and drive prices down, or we have to wait until everyone has all the ammo they want.

.

RedNeck Jim · #**135** 05-15-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammobob

But the idea that there is a legitimate supply problem is false to begin with, and people are using the opportunity to make boatloads of money instead of passing on reasonable prices to the customer to ensure long term customer returns.

There is no ammo supply problem? Seriously? Granted, I have no idea what is a legitimate problem as opposed to an illegitimate one.

If there was no supply problem, you would not see ammo being gobbled up at 200-400% markup. We are simply seeing basic economic principles in action. We are in a buying frenzy brought on mainly due to political issues. We are getting a lesson in supply & demand in action. When supply catches up with demand, the price will drop.

smokindog · #**136** 05-15-2013, 07:47 PM

I'm about to stop visiting after seeing much of this thread but thought I'd toss in a parting shot (pun intended)

There IS NO CRISIS, ammo is a commodity, not a necessity.
Therefore, there is no problem of ethics. No one is witholding vital life sustaining service or product.
I share with my friends, but I can always count on the reverse
The fact that people pay stupid prices is not the seller's fault, it's the buyer's
There is more demand than supply, that is fact
Businesses run by profit, not by giving everyone a trophy for showing up
Whining is very unattractive
If you have no ammo, it's not someone else's fault
Most things in life that happen to you are your own fault

Buck31 · #**137** 05-15-2013, 08:29 PM

My feelings change day to day when i think about this "crisis". i have always felt that any item is only worth what someone will pay for it. My problem is something prevents me from being able to charge more for something than I should. Many of the retailers with higher prices have lost my business, but if the gougers are buying low and selling high, why can't they?
I am comfortable knowing I have not ripped anyone off and that I have paid fair prices for the little bit that I do have.
I enjoy reading others thoughts on this and hope it all clears up soon. Wants and needs are two different things. Everyone I know has survived more than 3 days without ammo, none have survived 3 days without water

ChattanoogaPhil · #**138** 05-15-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeck Jim

We are in a buying frenzy brought on mainly due to political issues.

Exactly. This was not created by hoarders, gougers... blah blah blah. This is the result of government meddling in areas that it should not, creating uncertainty where none should exist.

I believe demand will be strong for some time to come. Starting next year, there will be millions of NY gun owners forced by law to only purchase ammo face to face from state registered sellers. Background check on the buyer will be required. The sales will be recorded and stored in a state government operated database. They will monitor who is buying what and quantity. What will be the magic number that puts you over the limit and then placed on some type of terrorist watch list? I don't know, but the Governor mentioned 6k on his website a couple months ago. I wouldn't want to be on a list like that. My guess is that millions of NY gun owners don't either. I sure can't blame them for buying everything they can now. Those who live in other highly regulated states like California are likely concerned that their states might follow. Uncertainty will likely drive demand and put pressures on supply for quite a while.

Four T5 · #**139** 05-15-2013, 08:35 PM

Wow! My ammo price gouge thread was locked after one page. I'm loving this one. I can't wait for another 7+ paragraph post from DICK so I can fall asleep...

les strat · #**140** 05-15-2013, 08:38 PM

If everyone would just say "no", and not pay ungodly prices, you'd be surprised how fast prices would plummet. Just don't buy any. It's not like gas where you have to have it to get to work. As long as there is a "panic", prices will stay high. Just chill out. The businesses will be sitting on overstock with their money tied up where they bought retail at WM/Academy/Dicks and marked it up. That's the other side to supply and demand. Sometimes the seller loses bigtime.

Majorlk · #**141** 05-15-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

I believe demand will be strong for some time to come. Starting next year, there will be millions of NY gun owners forced by law to only purchase ammo face to face from state registered sellers. Background check on the buyer will be required.

As of later this year, a permit (with standard NICS background check) will be required to purchase ammo here in Connecticut. Magazines, too. Right now there is a 62k backlog for carry permits here.

Four T5 · #**142** 05-15-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

As of later this year, a permit (with standard NICS background check) will be required to purchase ammo here in Connecticut. Magazines, too. Right now there is a 62k backlog for carry permits here.

It's no big deal, it's only a matter of time before stupid people make up the majority of voters in the entire nation... not just the north east.

Majorlk · #**143** 05-15-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Four T5

It's no big deal, it's only a matter of time before stupid people make up the majority of voters in the entire nation... not just the north east.

All too true!

SpicyTunaRoll · #**144** 05-15-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

there will be millions of NY gun owners forced by law to only purchase ammo face to face. What will be the magic number that puts you over the limit and then placed on some type of terrorist watch list? I don't know, but the Governor mentioned 6k on his website a couple months ago.

i think after a few months, they will realize that 90% of all gun owners will be on that list, they will simply either ignore that list or raise the threshold.

WA101 · #**145** 05-15-2013, 09:18 PM

I popped into my local gun shop last Saturday to check out a few accessory items, and I was surprised to see the ammo shelves were literally overflowing in all calibers, including 9mm and 22. They even had 1000-round cases of 40 and I believe 45 stacked up on the floor for sale. The gun shop was still limiting 9mm and 22 purchases to two 50-round boxes per customer per day, but there no longer were restrictions on anything else. 9mm was priced at $16.99 for 50-rounds, 40 was going for $20.99, and 22LR was $5.99 for 50-rounds.

I've got to believe the ammo shortage is starting to ease.

germansheperd · #**146** 05-15-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

Y'all could have bought all the bulk pack .22 you wanted at $150/case last year. You didn't. You spent your money on other stuff because you figured you could stop by Walmart to buy a brick whenever you wanted. You figured wrong.

That you are running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for ammo is not due to a moral failure of others.

That's about the smartest damn thing I've read on any any type of firearms forum in months!
Truth hurts some peeps I suppose.

ouchez · #**147** 05-15-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyTunaRoll

i think after a few months, they will realize that 90% of all gun owners will be on that list, they will simply either ignore that list or raise the threshold.

I am not talking about the terrorist's, who ever and whatever they may be, but our own government, and it is high time to tell them to go to hell, because they have every intention of flushing the 2nd down the toilet like a piece of Sh##.

It has recently been reported from a study that most people will live with tyranny as long as it does not disrupt their comfort zone too much. The NY Gov. is a tyrant as is Bloomberg.

Ouchez

Ammobob · #**148** 05-15-2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezfan

If you decided you wanted to sell it, would you sell it for what you paid or slightly over, or would you ask market value?

I would ask a value equal to the time, upgrades, resources and improvements if any I have made to my property. I would not ask for 3x or 4x or 5x what properties of equal standing were being sold for.

I see where you are going but it doesn't work for the ammo situation, as there are clearly people selling it at their normal markup, their normal value, regardless of the current "crisis". And then there are people asking 10x as much for a product of equal cost and value. Which causes unscrupulous types to jump on the band wagon and figure if so and so can take advantage of people's fear or need and get away with charging so ridiculous a price, then I can too. Greed. And then after awhile the overinflated greed price becomes the new "normal".

Some people are trying to insinuate that I have a problem with profit. I do not. I do have a problem with people taking advantage of a situation to engage in what would at other times be decried as unfair or unethical business practices, and jacking up the price of something to outrageous levels just because they can.

Ammobob · #**149** 05-15-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

Here's the "question". As I illustrated earlier.... Would you prefer that Benton Shooters had no ammo in stock like others? I answered No. You?

I would rather they had some integrity and sell at their normal price, making a profit that was good enough a few months ago, (barring their actual price to buy it going up) and perhaps enforce a box limit like others have done, continue to do so, and continue to have and sell a healthy supply of ammo. But I'm old fashioned I guess...

Bkreutz · #**150** 05-15-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WA101

I popped into my local gun shop last Saturday to check out a few accessory items, and I was surprised to see the ammo shelves were literally overflowing in all calibers, including 9mm and 22. They even had 1000-round cases of 40 and I believe 45 stacked up on the floor for sale. The gun shop was still limiting 9mm and 22 purchases to two 50-round boxes per customer per day, but there no longer were restrictions on anything else. 9mm was priced at $16.99 for 50-rounds, 40 was going for $20.99, and 22LR was $5.99 for 50-rounds.

I've got to believe the ammo shortage is starting to ease.

And this was where?