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What's the farthest you've taken your 15-22 out to?
Went out with some friends last week to see just what we could do with 22lr. All of us are are instructors with Project Appleseed- so everything was shot from unsupported prone with a G.I. sling.
Out at 200yards with my 15-22, I could keep 19 of 20 rounds inside the black circle of an MR-52C high power target center. The black circle is 12" in dia, so from 200yds that is a 6 minute sized target. Not bad for a round that went through sonic transition at about 70yds, and then traveled the next 130 yds subsonic!
We hung a 12"x 12" steel plate out there, and all of us could make hits on it. It took a full second for the ring on the steel to come back. Pretty damn satisfying with a .22.
The rifles we had all performed the same- 15-22, Ruger 10/22, and Marlin 795. But in one measure, the 15-22 had everything else beat. It is the only .22lr rifle that I know of that has a set of sights from the factory that you can easily dial in the drop for .22 at 200yds. After zeroing at 25yds, it took me 37 clicks up on the rear sight. (I was shooting Federal 40gr HV, but this setting should be close for nearly all HV ammo.) A2 irons FTW!
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Nice shooting! I've only shot mine out to 100 and it performed reasonably well. I have a 200 yard station at my range, but I've never tried to reach out that far with my 15-22 as I can't see being accurate with the rifle.
Shooting a gong would be fun, though.
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Not me. I'm too old, fat & lazy to walk 200 yards every time I want to check a target. Plus on top of that, my eyes are too bad to try to shoot that far. I couldn't see a 12" plate at that range... much less hit it.
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You and your friends are to be applauded. The .22 LR round has a potential that is extends far beyond 100 yds. The results on target that you obtained are an encouragement to everyone. This is even more significant in that your results were obtained from field positions rather than firing from a benchrest. The simple fact is that no one routinely carries a benchrest on their shoulder when walking in the woods/fields.
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Not me. I'm too old, fat & lazy to walk 200 yards every time I want to check a target. Plus on top of that, my eyes are too bad to try to shoot that far. I couldn't see a 12" plate at that range... much less hit it.
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I always knew you were a decrepit old fart.
I have a 4" plate that I use at 100 yards. Keeping all rounds on it is a good exercise. Of course, I don't have to deal with the extreme bulletin drop of 200 yards. I also have a 4"x8" tip over (spring loaded) target that's a good 100 yard challenge. My range only goes out to 110 yards so no chance to play at longer distances.
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Not me. I'm too old, fat & lazy to walk 200 yards every time I want to check a target. Plus on top of that, my eyes are too bad to try to shoot that far. I couldn't see a 12" plate at that range... much less hit it.
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Aw, come on- it's a whole lot of fun.
Shoot a steel plate- that way you don't have to walk downrange to check your targets. We teach for proper follow through to keep the trigger held back for a full second after the shot breaks. Hearing the ring of the plate a second later is a great demonstration for how long you should hold that trigger.
I got my 12" x 12" plate at Lowe's. Don't remember what it cost, but it wasn't expensive. It's nothing special (no AR500 armor plate), and for .22lr it doesn't have to be. I think it's just 1/8" mild steel. I drilled two holes with a normal 1/4" drill bit for hanging hooks, and hang it from a sawhorse. At 100yds, it's great for practicing shooting from standing or even seated. At 200, it's a terrific prone trainer.
If your eyes won't do irons, a cheap scope will do fine. Nikon makes a nice set of rings for their P223 AR15 scopes, that are the same height as the A2 iron sights. If you use shorter rings, you will have to determine what your drop at 200yds is- it will be more than 37 inches.
Set up a tall target frame with your target near the top. Hang a large, blank piece of paper 3 or 4 feet beneath the center of your target. With your rifle zeroed at 25yds (or where ever you like to zero), fire 20 rounds at the target. Walk out to the target with your tape measure, find the center of your group, and measure how far below the center of your target it is. This is your drop at 200yds (or whatever distance you're shooting at). At 200yds, divide this drop in inches by two- this will give you the drop in minutes of angle (MOA). Then look at the elevation dial of your scope to determine how many clicks there are per MOA- likely it will be either 2 or 4 clicks/MOA. Dial in this correction, and then shoot out your target with your next 20 rounds.
Or better yet, bring your 15-22 out to your nearest Appleseed shoot. You will be amazed at what you will learn to do with it- all this stuff and more.
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Friday :)
Our outdoor range is only 100 yards, however I've got my ammo, got my 15-22, hopefully got the sunshine...hopefully got no wind, plenty of paper targets (some thermal hostage ones for all those familiar with a previous thread) got some baby food tins, some bean cans, a couple of tennis balls, some blue plastic baby formula measuring spoons, plenty of shoot-n-c stickers and I'll be going head to head with a 10-22.
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I've taken mine about 120 miles from home.......LOL
With a 4moa red dot I've kept my shooting at 10-100yds......at 100 a 6" group ( 10-20 rds) is doable.........................
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Our outdoor range is only 100 yards, however I've got my ammo, got my 15-22, hopefully got the sunshine...hopefully got no wind, plenty of paper targets (some thermal hostage ones for all those familiar with a previous thread) got some baby food tins, some bean cans, a couple of tennis balls, some blue plastic baby formula measuring spoons, plenty of shoot-n-c stickers and I'll be going head to head with a 10-22.
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If your range allows biodegradable targets, spoiled oranges, grapefruit, potatoes (frozen ones explode spectacularly!), bars of soap all make good reactive targets.
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Aw, come on- it's a whole lot of fun.
Shoot a steel plate- that way you don't have to walk downrange to check your targets.
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Forgot to mention, thanks to years spend underground in a launch control center, I'm going rather deaf. Another malady associated with the aging process.
Actually, I just get no thrill from long range shooting & never have. 100 yards is as far as I go, even with my AR. Most of my shooting is well inside that, as I prefer training for close in engagements. I'm not that great a shot, and never really was, so now as long as I hit the target... I'm good with that.
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I love murdering the gong/oxygen tank we have at 200 yards at my range with the 15-22.
Ping, ping, ping, ping...
Everyone looks over and wants to know why my "AR" is so quiet.
I've also done some rapid fire, standing, with my 50 round drum, and yeah, you can hit it pretty regularly if you have your stuff dialed in. I just aim at the top of our tank, centerline, and ping ping ping ping...
That's the furthest our range goes, but I'd love to try a bit further.
Oh, this is with the Sightmark Z series Green Dot. I'm really happy with that sight and the + reticule.
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Friday was a good day :)
Glorious sunshine, light breeze, 200 rounds and some improvised homemade targets. Shooting offhand from 25 yards was excellent...nailed everything first time. Fantastic accuracy. I got a bit carried away on the targets and did not have nearly enough ammo and when we moved over to the 100yard range I only had a few rounds left. It took me ages to get the holdover position right (sitting down resting on my elbows, I couldn't be bothered to dial in seeing as I only had so few rounds left) so I was missing a lot, eventually got the sweet spot on my mildots and by that time I only had a 10 mag left. The rifle performed brilliantly, the operator however...well lets pretend it was the sunshine in my eyes. My partner with the 10-22 easily won the 100yard shots, he already had his calculations done and a proper wooden bench rest, but offhand shooting from 25 yards the 15-22, was quicker and easier to transition and looked much cooler
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Great day out
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Like the ring pull tin tops - excellent idea!
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Shooting steel at 200yds is fun. I do it with CCI SV suppressed.
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Is your range near an event horizon?
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We all should have a 200 yard range in our back yard.
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Mine is at least that long but I normally shoot at around 50.
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I run a 15-22 with the little Bushnell TR-25 3 MOA red dot, a match trigger, and a 50 yard zero. A neighbor lets me shoot high power out to 300 yards. Most of the time I shoot offhand at 100 on a military "E" target. Once in a while I shoot back at 200 over a bedroll, with a neck hold for center hits. Being Wyoming, the wind is usually blowing...
Haven't done as much of the 200 yard work as I'd like, and I think I tried 300 once which requires an even higher hold to get on. Somewhere around here I've got an old elevation and windage chart for both standard and high velocity corrections from back in the 1930s, which I need to dig out. Times were tough back then, centerfire ammo wasn't cheap, and shooters had to make do--sort of like now.
Wish I could still use irons, as I have a 1934 dated Springfield M2 .22LR with a Lyman 48 which would dial right in. Ah, youth.
Oh, yeah--I don't walk so well anymore, so I just saddle up the ATV.
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If your range allows biodegradable targets, spoiled oranges, grapefruit, potatoes (frozen ones explode spectacularly!), bars of soap all make good reactive targets.
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Why in the world would you even consider making your Range a Garbage Pit? This stuff does NOT just biodegrade, dry up, and go away over night.....stupid is as stupid does....
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Easy there. Anything food related would disappear very quickly between birds, raccoons, flies, and other wildlife.
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Or better yet, bring your 15-22 out to your nearest Appleseed shoot. You will be amazed at what you will learn to do with it- all this stuff and more.
I went to a one day Appleseed shoot this past weekend, more out of curiosity than thinking I was going to learn something. My curiosity was satisfied and low and behold, this old fart learnt quite a bit about shooting a rifle. I am here and now challenging all who read this to find the next Appleseed event near you and go so you can learn and know your rifle like only real riflemen know their rifles. I will be returning to one or two to earn my Rifleman Patch. And I'll be doing a lot of shooting, practicing so I can get that patch.
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Or better yet, bring your 15-22 out to your nearest Appleseed shoot. You will be amazed at what you will learn to do with it- all this stuff and more.
I went to a one day Appleseed shoot this past weekend, more out of curiosity than thinking I was going to learn something. My curiosity was satisfied and low and behold, this old fart learnt quite a bit about shooting a rifle. I am here and now challenging all who read this to find the next Appleseed event near you and go so you can learn and know your rifle like only real riflemen know their rifles. I will be returning to one or two to earn my Rifleman Patch. And I'll be doing a lot of shooting, practicing so I can get that patch.
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So for us unfortunate few on the other side of the pond who will probably never get to attend an Appleseed, please let us know a few fundamentals that they taught you regarding the 15-22
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Why in the world would you even consider making your Range a Garbage Pit? This stuff does NOT just biodegrade, dry up, and go away over night.....stupid is as stupid does....
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We have several ranges at our club, all but one remains pristine. It's the Plinking range. Other than glass, you can bring whatever you want to shoot at. It's the most popular range at the Club.
You're right, it doesn't clean itself up. That's what range cleanup days are all about. Though any type of food like watermelon or whatever will be gone by next morning. Lots of hungry critters in the woods.
By your remarks, it doesn't sounds like you have a fun place to shoot.
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We could, 'cept people seem to like to live in cities.
If you divide the 2.4 billions acres of the continental US by 300 Milllion people, it works out to about 8 acres per person or 24 acres for a 3 person family unit.
You can easily get a 200 yard range in 8 acres.
With my luck, my "range" would be in the middle of a swamp, on the side of a mountain, in a lake or the desert, though.
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Easy there, friend. The name calling is uncalled for.
Yea, most of the stuff does degrade in rain, animals clear off what doesn't or you can simply clean up after yourself. Been doing this for a long time with no problems. If this offends your sensibilities, limit yourself to bars of soap.
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Well first I doubt he has truck loads of fruits coming in. Second, half a dozen old apples will get cleaned of by deer or other animals within a day or two. Third, a bunch of old fruit doesn't equal a garbage dump. Now, if they are taking old computers, rotors, refrigerators, tvs, furniture. ....etc... then yea that's a dump
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You want to really have fun? If you are able to do it try shooting tracers from 100-125yds at dusk or a little darker.Don't use a scope or your sights.Just shoot off the hip like the Rifleman does.Trying to hit a target by watching the arc of the tracer in flight is quite challenging.
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Well first I doubt he has truck loads of fruits coming in. Second, half a dozen old apples will get cleaned of by deer or other animals within a day or two. Third, a bunch of old fruit doesn't equal a garbage dump. Now, if they are taking old computers, rotors, refrigerators, tvs, furniture. ....etc... then yea that's a dump
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Eh... we've had all that stuff at the Plinking range at one time or another. Heck, if all I had to shoot at was a piece of paper I'd sell all my recreational guns.
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Eh... we've had all that stuff at the Plinking range at one time or another. Heck, if all I had to shoot at was a piece of paper I'd sell all my recreational guns.
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I just meant that some fruit and orange disks don't equal a garbage dump
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Now get out your K22s and shoot the hundred yard gong. Very much the same joy.
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Now I've got visions of y'all shooting watermelons like in The Day of the Jackal!
I'll see your watermelons and raise you half a pig
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You want to really have fun? If you are able to do it try shooting tracers from 100-125yds at dusk or a little darker.Don't use a scope or your sights.Just shoot off the hip like the Rifleman does.Trying to hit a target by watching the arc of the tracer in flight is quite challenging.
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NOW THAT IS FUN.
Used to do that with (7.62) 308 for you guys. Belt fed 1 in 5 disintegrating link 800 rds at a time.
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Honestly folks, I look on in horror, when I watch Gun shows on the idiot box and see them shooting through and exploding watermelons, all that delicious juicy goodness splattered, what a waste, the Mrs who enjoys watching them as much as I, gets even madder. Eat the watermelon, shoot up that monstrosity of fruit that is.......the grapefruit, it's just sour and bitter and deserves what's coming to it.
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Well first I doubt he has truck loads of fruits coming in. Second, half a dozen old apples will get cleaned of by deer or other animals within a day or two. Third, a bunch of old fruit doesn't equal a garbage dump. Now, if they are taking old computers, rotors, refrigerators, tvs, furniture. ....etc... then yea that's a dump
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Yea, most of the stuff does degrade in rain, animals clear off what doesn't or you can simply clean up after yourself. Been doing this for a long time with no problems.
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I'm still chuckling at the notion that fruit will not biodegrade over night. Around here, critters transform it into fertilizer within hours. I wonder if he thought folks were tossing fruit down the their lane at an indoor range?
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I'm still chuckling at the notion that fruit will not biodegrade over night. Around here, critters transform it into fertilizer within hours. I wonder if he thought folks were tossing fruit down the their lane at an indoor range?
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I'm sure I would be suspended from attending and probably have to undergo psych evaluation if I were caught tossing fruit at my indoor range...hehe childish but I only hit the stuff that's pitched.
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I'm sure I would be suspended from attending and probably have to undergo psych evaluation if I were caught tossing fruit at my indoor range...hehe childish but I only hit the stuff that's pitched.
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Tall enough roof... be like shooting clays. Call it Sporting Fruit Cocktail.
Maybe he thought folks were tossing grapefruit at bowling pins during league night... kinda like at the circus. Which I guess is better than firing rounds at 10-Pin Alley. I'm all confused now... Hope I don't wear my bowling shoes to the shooting range by mistake.
Where do I get overnight biodegradable bullets?
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The furthest I've taken mine out is 600 yds. I was too lazy to go and check for hits, so we'll just assume that........
I mean I was really good at 20 yards so it stands to figure.....
Actually, a great thread, challenges me to do some distance shooting and see what I'm capable of. I know the rifle is up to it, me on the other hand needs testing.
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At 600yds I have to use CCI MiniMags which only have a drop of 800 inches at 600yds so my scope will have enough adjustment to handle it without have to use holdover.
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Tall enough roof... be like shooting clays. Call it Sporting Fruit Cocktail.
Maybe he thought folks were tossing grapefruit at bowling pins during league night... kinda like at the circus. Which I guess is better than firing rounds at 10-Pin Alley. I'm all confused now... Hope I don't wear my bowling shoes to the shooting range by mistake.
Where do I get overnight biodegradable bullets?
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Well if you think about it, you could use ice bullets then you would end up with some kind of iced fruit concoction and the ones that miss would be biodegradable and if you did wear your bowling shoes you could smoosh up the fruit real good without getting any in the tread of your regular range shoes...mmmm smoothie.
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Tall enough roof... be like shooting clays. Call it Sporting Fruit Cocktail.
Maybe he thought folks were tossing grapefruit at bowling pins during league night... kinda like at the circus. Which I guess is better than firing rounds at 10-Pin Alley. I'm all confused now... Hope I don't wear my bowling shoes to the shooting range by mistake.
Where do I get overnight biodegradable bullets?
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. I have done Apples, Issued horror bag Cornish Pasties and the odd Sausage Roll. Only problem was the poor bugger throwing them got covered in them as he couldn't throw them high enough!!! Lol. Messy grown up fun that didn't last long in a moment of madness many years ago!!!
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What is it with you guys across the pond and apples... Still trying to live up to the legend of William Tell?
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We all should have a 200 yard range in our back yard.
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I can go 500 at the farm I live at but I usually only go past 100 for either my 3-gun AR or my 6.8mm DMR rifle or my pair of .308 and .223 bolt guns. Although I do pretty well off a benchrest I prefer speed shooting inside 50 yards.
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