I think I could , 15-22 not just for plinking.

A hostage could be saved with a used soda straw given the right circumstances.

If the dude had a .45 to shoot back at me with then, no..... sorry girls!

That's why you use a laser. If it's trained on his face, he would never see you move to give him time to react.

This statement should open up a can of worms.

The U.S. Navy started using the 15-22 instead of cruise missiles...

Do you really want to feed the troll?

You'll be sleeping on the couch for shooting her in the shoulder.

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Hopefully when you say, "Please don't harm my family," she will drop to the floor and he will bend his head down giving you ammo room to pleat the Perps skull off..

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maybe if you shoot his eye out.

And I have proof here

Absent a half dozens shots in less than 2 seconds right through an eye socket into the brain, you'll get the hostage killed. You want to IMMEDIATELY KILL the perp to prevent his killing the hostage. Anything less will get the hostage killed.

Addendum: looking at your target, all the head shots but the one to the eye would likely bounce off the skull. The chance of any of the body shots resulting in an immediate incapacitation of the shooter is essentially zero. Even the (presumable) heart shot would do nothing because of the angle of the shot entering the body. There's very good reasons that .22 LR is not used by tactical teams for taking out perps.

And yea, except for for squirrel and rabbit hunting and rifle matches, the 15-22 IS just for plinking.

When you can put all 25 rounds into a hole the size of a quarter...... at the rate of 4-5 rds/sec........


or 4 holes into a dime size group in under 1.5sec

at 30yds




we will talk again grasshopper


My new motto: " 6 shots one Kill"

Depending upon how far away you were and how big that target was, I'd do a little more work before signing up for Blackwater . . .

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So that's where all the .22lr ammo has gone! Them and the Seals..... .22lr makes for a great ammo load out vs. wimpy .223 or heavier than ________.308.

Yes you could....

Use the pink camo 15-22. The girl will run to it and the scum bag will die laughing at you. So yes you can

Only if they've seen the correct TV show!

Offhand 25 yards......

I could! but only if a plastic baby formula spoon had taken my coffee hostage. I would do anything to save my coffee. One head shot one body shot and I'm on my way home with my hot, steamy, appreciative friend...

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This thread is a joke, right?

I bet the OP got a free "I Love walter Mitty" T-shirt with the purchase of his 15-22.

I know somebody who keeps a pellet gun for home defense( he's only 16). He is convinced that it will "make a home intruder go away because getting shot with bb's really hurts!"

You can't reason with some people. It took two shots with my 10/22 to kill a pesky groundhog. First shot to the neck( my rifle
Was sighted in at 100 yards and the groundhog was only 25 yards so I was aiming low to compensate). Next one to the head and he ran back into his hole. I saw him moving around in there. Took about 5 minutes to die

Easy, instead of aiming for the head, aim for the nads. It's a natural instinct for a man to grab his with both hands when they have been violated.....

Armoured groundhogs...haha.
If you believe the 'official story' RFK was assassinated by a .22

Sirhan Sirhan stepped down from a low tray-stacker beside the ice machine, rushed past Uecker, and repeatedly fired what was later identified as a .22 caliber Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver.[18]

After Kennedy had fallen to the floor, Agent Barry saw Sirhan holding a gun and hit him twice in the face while others, including maîtres d' Uecker and Edward Minasian, writer George Plimpton, Olympic gold medal decathlete Rafer Johnson and professional football player Rosey Grier, forced Sirhan against the steam table and disarmed him as he continued firing his gun in random directions.[19] Five other people were also wounded: William Weisel of ABC News, Paul Schrade of the United Auto Workers union, Democratic Party activist Elizabeth Evans, Ira Goldstein of the Continental News Service and Kennedy campaign volunteer Irwin Stroll.[19]

After a minute, Sirhan wrestled free and grabbed the revolver again, but he had already fired all the bullets and was subdued.[20] Barry went to Kennedy and laid his jacket under the candidate's head, later recalling: "I knew immediately it was a .22, a small caliber, so I hoped it wouldn't be so bad, but then I saw the hole in the Senator's head, and I knew".

So it would be possible....if the perp was very close and incredibly slow witted, with the reactions of a sloth. but still possible.

Vietnam 1972, a recon team who I knew, encountered a small group of NVR' s out past the perimeter. A firefight ensued. A corporal told me later that they expended at least 600 rounds. They recovered one enemy survivor. He had been hit 17 times. He eventually recovered. All this with 5.56 cartridges.

Stop somebody in seconds with a .22? I think not.
At any sign of trouble I would certainly not have a loaded .22 as the weapon closest to me.

I have broken my own rule by responding to this type of question but.........Really?

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Another think is most of these range shots dont include adrenaline rush.
Even a grand master could miss because the factors are different than shooting target with consequences compared to the real deal.

Well if you must break a rule your own are the ones to start with :roll eyes:
The question was not would you choose to or depend on, but could it be done.

Highly doubtful for anyone but the most highly trained sniper or high-stress trained shooter. The most probable result of even trying is a dead hostage and a dead "defender" because he didn't get an instant kill.

Just curious how much such training you have that you would declare that you could make the shot, as you did in the original post.

How far away was that target? Cause I am no sniper and I put 25 shots in a dime sized target at 50 yards with a dialed in Nikon on my 10/22. Can shoot the erasers off pencils at 25 yards no problem. Your target looks like you hit it with birdshot at 25 yards

But nice drawing. I couldn't do that

NO , what I got was a toy I can't play with because of ammo hoarders & those keeping stock piles to resale, or what ever other reason you want to throw in that is keeping this shortage going long after all other ammo has come back.
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But the question is a valid one, it is a fire arm that could kill you.
Given trying this or throwing a rock I think I would try.

Is that a blue blood reference? Tom sellecks character advised his family to use that as a code word and his son shot a bad guy holding a family member. Funny how less than 1% of NYPD cops fire their weapon in a career and Danny has about 17 times. Good show though.

Doing such shooting from the bench is one thing; doing it in a highly stressful situation with large amounts of adrenaline dumped into the blood stream is a totally different matter.

I probably could if the distance was less than 10 yards, but I hope never to have to make that decision.

I agree. I'm not claiming to being a sniper. And a shot like that under stress would not yield the same grouping. Then again, if a .308 is off by half an inch the guy is still dead. But the OP was certainly not stressed and I'm gonna assume he was at a bench if he was staging a "sniper shot".

(1) there is ammo available on line all over the place. You do have to put out a modicum of effort to get it though. I've bought several thousand rounds since the first of the year. Of course, I've shot several thousand rounds since the first of the year.

(2) These kinds of questions are generally asked by people whose shooting skills aren't nearly as good as they think they are. Where do I send the flowers when you botch the shot and the perp kills you and the hostage both?

The possibility of a dead hostage is there no matter the weapon, caliber or shooter.
Truth is this was a target I made after another poster said he got grief for using something like it. I did not get any in fact a couple of folks liked it.
This was me & the grandson goofing off. Shooting with him is mostly the only time I pull the 15-22 out anymore.
A snipper I am not but I have been hunting with rifles & shotgun all my life.
The subject of this thread came to mind as I was looking at the target.

In Lieu of flowers just send all your friends a brick.
At any rate I would pick doing something over just watching.
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& Until I can walk into a store & buy a box or a brick of the ammo I want at a reasonable price the shortage is still going on.

It was meant to be lighthearted, but dang they some testy folks around.

Now to try to defend this and get real, I will say that if a perp is holding a hostage 10-15 ft away and I have my laser trained on his face, 1 shot would in all likelihood end it real quick. It may be a lowly 22 but a velocitor round anywhere in the face from 10 ft is going to take somebody down real quick. I don't really think one person here can argue that point at that range. We're talking somebody's face here.

Most of the time a perp can tell when you're going to make your move because you have to move to act. That's where a laser comes in. If the laser is trained on his face and your finger is on the trigger, there is nothing you have to do but slowly squeeze the trigger. There is no movement for him to observe. He can't possibly react until after he's been shot. In fact the bullet is in him before (if ever) he hears it.

This of course assumes a static situation when the perp has a weapon on the hostage, or is holding the hostage, you also have the laser trained on his face. Adrenaline or no adrenaline, holding a laser on somebody's face at 10-15ft is not that hard to do. Unless you're a real spaz.

Yes, the perp could possibly survive and kill the hostage, but they could also just shoot the hostage without warning if you do nothing. In fact I'd rather take the shot then leave my hostages fate up to some drug crazed of scared perp.

With a 22 velocitor round at 10-15 ft, I would say it will work as good as anything else. It's just a matter of how dead they need to be and how much hamburger you need to make at that point I believe.

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Well the Majorlk says ,
I probably could if the distance was less than 10 yards, but I hope never to have to make that decision.
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Do I hear 15 yards , I got 10 who will go 15 , 10 give me 15, going once , twice

Pointless thread
Yes a 22 can kill. The question is could you make the shot. Honest people say no or atleast say the hope never to have to.
Only one who can say for sure are those who have had to already.
Im sorry but no matter what training you have, the real deal is another level completely.

my minimum for shooting a coyote is a .22 mag and up, and that's a DOG! When in Africa, we used 62 grain, 5.56 green penetrator rounds and they would go zipping through the skinny w/o any apparent damage at all, hardly any wound cavitation, if it hit lungs it appeared to seal back up after going through.
we wound up collecting all the 55 grain, FMJ, and it seemed to work better. the body can take a beating sometimes and keep moving menacingly after absorbing a LOT of rounds. especially if they are on a drug, as many in war are, or crazed, or the adrenaline dump.

i do like the idea of shooting them in the 'nad's though! instant 'hands up'!!! or down!

This is pure ****. I usually don't comment on these kind of wannabe threads but I'll make an exception. Even with 5.56 ball we frequently had to shoot 'em twice, or more to put them DOWN. One shot with a WELL PLACED head shot was usually enough but that opportunity was rare. .30 cal anything was better...

Facial bones are tough and angled such that rds have a bad habit of deflecting and NOT penetrating. It happens with better rds than 22 LR.

Thinkin' you're gonna be a hero with your 15-22 has little chance of turning out well.... Good Luck

Nice one, I am glad you didn't get any grief regarding this target. The folks at your range are obviously very sensible, with an added sense of fun In response to the original post next time put one to three shots in the perps head, instead of 25 and ask the same question. I think it would do enough damage to if not kill certainly then to disable..or momentarily give you the opportunity to rush them and beat them with the plastic buttstock. But I certainly would not want to be facing the business end of a well aimed shot to the head.
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This statistic is several years old but FBI Crime Stats showed that more people were killed w/22's than any other caliber. That said, it doesn't specify handgun or rifle. a 25-40gr. projectile is very slippery and can move unobstructed through a body cavity very easily- note unobstructed...

I've seen 22's enter the upper arm and exit through the pinky, Ive seen 22's barely break skin on the chest through a heavy leather jacket. I interviewed a victim of a home invasion robbery for 20-30 mins w/ a head laceration only to find out later that there were 2 22's in his head.

If all I had between my loved one and the bad guy was my 15-22 on deadly ground- 1st Round- controlled fire to CNS- Brain Tee- instant vegetable-
Now- reality check, who has the training and balls to take that shot? There is a valid reason why surgeons do not operate on family members.

Too bad for the stranger- should of made more close friends...

Lets turn this thread into a training opportunity- who could take that shot with any weapon- if it's on your radar- train, train, train...

Mike

Please tell me what situation you envision yourself involved with that would necessitate your trying to take out someone holding a hostage - except perhaps a home invasion of your own dwelling?

Do you routinely carry your 15-22 with you?

My 7y/o did this with a 22lr pistol and AR -15 pistol.


Others were shooting the same target that day with handguns at close range and I couldn't tell which they were trying to hit.

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The situation is far more clear cut here in the UK - this is how it would go down:

In the time it takes us to a. be alerted to a home invasion b. sneak stealthily to the secret place we hide our gun cabinet keys c. sneak back to the secret place where we hide our gun cabinet d. retrieve gun of choice e. sneak to ammunition cabinet to obtain ammo & bolt for chosen gun f. assemble weapon g. load h. engage 'perp' said hostage will have passed on due to old age!

Playing around on a range has absolutely no comparison to a hi stress, life or death situation. Nice shooting by the kid but meaningless to this discussion.

I'm glad somebody has brought this up. To get the to brain when someone is facing you means going through several facial bones before getting to the cranial cavity where the brain sits. The facial bones are many, and they are shaped odd and have lots of holes and cavities (sinus') which means then the round has to penetrate several layers (in the bone, through one side of the sinus, out the other side of the sinus, etc). Will a .22lr do this? It has the capability but its also just as likely if not more so to get redirected or lodged in there somewhere before getting to the brain.

And then IF the .22lr reaches the brain, is it going to put them down? The internet is full of xray pictures of peoples heads with foreign objects lodged in there, and they come out of it fine and are functional while said object is lodged in there. So not only do you have to get a .22lr bullet into the brain, you have to have it do the right kind of damage and disrupt the right regions to stop the attacker.

So do you want to shoot the attacker in the face a bunch? Go ahead, but he'll kill your hostage. The chances of a lights out on round #1 instantly are pretty slim.

People have died from a single .22lr gunshot to the head. I have a distant relative who successfully committed suicide in such a manner. But that it *could* be done shouldn't give you inspiration or justification to think the 15-22 is a good tool for ending a hostage crisis.

"could you..." scenarios like this are fantasy.

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The OP had a real shooting pictured? Okey dokey.

Regardless, there are better suited guns, obviously. 22lr is best left for squirrels and plinking.

That said, anything is better than harsh words or sharp sticks.

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My point was a child with minimal shooting experience does better.

The entire premise of this thread is stupid and I do regret any involvement in it.

With some of the ammo available today I don't think you guys are giving the .22lr enough credit. I know it is by far not the best choice, and certainly wouldn't be my first choice. But with some Stingers out of a rifle barrel (they actually expand), or some of the heavier high velocity solid rounds from CCI and Aguila I think they are worth a bit more than ONLY plinking and squirrels and are plenty capable of allowing someone to hold their own in a self defense situation or even a hostage situation in which I'd consider it less effective, but still a completely viable option if the 15-22 is loaded with Stingers, Velocitors, Mini-mags, ect. Again, it wouldn't be my first choice, or my second, maybe not even my third, but to dismiss it as a useless round good for nothing but small game and paper punching is ignorant in my opinion.

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