I had no idea that this thing even existed. I saw it and said "man that would make a cool SBR. I got to have it"
The ad was posted local and was only up for 17 minutes when i called the guy and said "I'll take it."
Here it is. it came with 2 mags and 600 rounds of ammo. I think I did pretty good for $450.

$450!! With 600 rounds of ammo!?!? Go buy a lottery ticket, you lucky devil dog you!

I am not only jealous...but I now admire and dislike you at the same time.

Lucky Guy.

I just sold one for a whole bunch more than you paid. Nice grab.

When I saw it advertised I had never seen one before. I figured since I have never seen one and the fact they don't make it anymore considering the value of the rifle it had to be worth $450. So I jumped on it.

Nice score! You will have a blast shooting that one. I hope you have more then the 600 rounds it came with as you will need them! My son's love to shoot mine as much as I do... My understanding is that these were manufactured for less then one year. If anyone knows the quantity I would love to hear that number. Kyle

Very very cool!!! As others have posted you got an awesome deal!! I'm jealous lol. Have fun and enjoy it man!!


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Great deal however IMO it would be a big mistake to turn this into an SBR. This thing has value because of its rarity. If you want an SBR, and don't want this pistol, sell this at true market value, which is much more than you paid, purchase a 15-22 rifle & send the barrel to Adco for shortening & threading. Then buy more ammo with all the extra money.

This will be much simpler & you will come out better in the end.

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Jim,
I've been thinking I'm going to just buy a M&P 15-22 rifle lower. Then the pistol will be able to be put back to it's original form with no alterations.

Assuming you can get one, make sure you get your stamp first. They don't take long when you e-file.

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Jim,
You can get a stamp without the serial number off of the lower, so that isn't going to happen. Form 1 efile is running between 34-40 days right now.

This firearm would not able to be the SBR. He would have to have another 15-22 rifle and register that lower for the SBR. This would not affect the value of the 15-22P whatsoever.

Could somebody help me understand how changing the lower only from a FS 15/22 is going to make it a SBR? I'm obviously confused.

What about the buffer tube and stock? Isn't that technically altering the upper?

Each firearm is registered as a rifle or a pistol. The lower receiver on any Ar15 type rifle is the firearm portion. If it is a rifle, it must have at least a 16 inch barrel.

Putting an upper with a barrel less than 16 inches changes the legality of a rifle if it is has not gone through the proper channels first. For it to be a rifle, with a stock and everything and not having a barrel of 16 inches, the firearm must be registered as an SBR.

Of course it can be. Modify the pistol so that you can attach a stock, and you just made a SBR.

I just think there are easier ways of making a SBR. Only advantage of turning a 15-22 pistol into a SBR is that it is designed to operate better than the rifle, when one uses ultra short barrels.

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I would not suggest modifying the pistol lower on the 15-22. You are right that you CAN, but it is whether you SHOULD or not. If you pay for the tax stamp and screw up modding the pistol lower, you are SOL.

Just buy another 15-22, enjoy both the pistol and rifle until the stamp is approved.

Down the road you can also have the 15-22 rifle barrel shortened to 10" or so. So in your possession would be a SBR Lower, and a Pistol lower. Both uppers are modular and should fit each other.


You would also have 2 different SBR Uppers for different purposes. Both firearms would be totally legal. (the 16" upper would look wonky on the 1522P lower lol.)

Attaching the stock to the pistol lower is only worth it if you make it a folding stock.

See? I missed the OBVIOUS. He's putting the upper on the rifle and not the other way around. Sometimes it's the simple things that get me. Duh!

Thanks!

This is probably not the appropriate place but since it's come up here, I'm going to ask. I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.

Why would you WANT a SBR to begin with? I can find all kinds of articles about how to do it but why would one do it? What's the point?

And this very important (I think) observation...

It seems to me from my brief reading that it would be illegal just to OWN and have TOGETHER these two guns in the same household, even as assembled from the factory, unless one already had the tax stamp and approval.

From everything I can read, all you have to have is the components to assemble. It doesn't seem to matter whether you ever intend to or not.

Maybe that's why S&W stopped making the pistol. You can't own both at the same time as far as I can tell.

And put the upper on it? You can't do that. The lower you buy (rifle) is forever a rifle (Edit after OP: long-barreled rifle?) once the SN has been registered as such. There's no legal way to do what you're trying to do unless you can buy a lower that has never been registered as a rifle and I seriously doubt that you can even do that.

(OK. Now that I read what I just wrote, maybe you can. Hell. I don't know. It all just looks too easy to me. Gotta be a catch.)

All sorts of reasons. You will always have folks do things simply because they can. Then you will have folks doing so because it looks cool. Then you will have folks that do so for a specific reason. Could be they need the short rifle for concealment issues. I personally go SBR on my 15-22 & AR due to the fact I shoot suppressed. The extra length & weight of the suppressor is a bit bothersome to me, so I prefer shorter barrels. My 300 Blackout barrel is 9" long & my 15-22 is 11". This brings both guns, with suppressors attached, back to carbine length, which I prefer.

Barrel length has little to do with accuracy but everything to do with velocity. From what I understand, the 5.56 round needs 20" of barrel length to get to maximum velocity while the 300 Blackout only needs 9". So with a Blackout, all that extra barrel length adds mostly nothing but weight. With a 15-22, if you cut the barrel to 4.5", that reduces the velocity enough that high velocity ammo stays subsonic. That is a big reason for going SBR on a 15-22... especially when shooting suppressed.

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Thanks! Now I know!

FWIW; Some posted one for sale on ar15.com for $300 used, its pending of course, says it was used w/several thousand rounds thru it...

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You can have all the components to build an SBR with out having an SBR so long as you have legal use for such components. See ATF ruling 2011-4. What you don't want to have is a pistol and a stock only, there would be no legal use for these components other than making an unregistered NFA item and you would be charged with constructive intent to build a unregistered NFA item (SBR). On the other hand you can have an AR pistol with a carbine receiver extension (legal), a 16 inch upper and a stock. Change that pistol to a rifle and back to a pistol at will so long as the short barrel and stock are never on the lower at the same time and your stock is always kept with the 16 inch upper. You would have a legal use for all components. Classifications are first a pistol always a pistol, first a rifle always a rifle. You buy a pistol you can change it back and forth, you buy a rifle it must always stay a rifle unless you register it as an SBR and pay your tax.

Are you sure on that Headcase? I understood that the moment you put a stock on the receiver, it became a rifle for life.

It is not a 15-22P however.

Read ATF Ruling 2011-4. It is based on a court case with Contender, but the ruling applies to all, not just Contender. The quotes at the end of the are not just the ATF being nice because they want to, they are restating what the court said.

Pistol to rifle to pistol is OK:
Originally a rifle only to pistol is not OK


And why you can have both guns together and not be in danger of contructive intent:
Since you have at least one useful purpose other than making an illegal firearm, you are OK. If you actually put the components in an illegal configuration, get ready for black helicopters.

If the ATF is to the point of charging you with constructive possession you probably have bigger things to worry about then that.

True. Thanks for the clarifications.

Thanks, Telero. Sometimes I'm happy to be wrong.

I finally sucked it up and purchased one of these last night. I'm embarrassed to say what I gave for it, but suffice it to say it's just another pony in a very large stable of S&W M&Ps and an investment so I felt obligated to continue the completion of the fold.

Having said that... The one I bought has what looks like a full rail on it. I think he put the Tacticool conversion on it so he could do that. This causes it to look like (in the pictures. I don't have the gun yet) the barrel is way up in the hand guard. He had a can on it so it was fine with him. I'm going to buy/submit for my can as soon as it's in my hands. I've been toying with the idea for a couple of years anyway.

I know it's going to be a while before my stamp comes back and I actually get my can. Does anybody have a set of original rails for this rascal or know how I can get my hands on a set? I hate to shoot it the way it is, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to just sit in one of the safes peacefully until I get my suppressor.

I can't even find a parts list at S&W. It's almost as if it never existed! Anybody know how I can get a rail? Can I call S&W and order one saying I broke mine? I'd be more than willing to pay a reasonable cost for one if somebody has a set they don't need anymore.

Thanks!

Sorry I can't help with getting the parts you need. You'd likely need the short handguard and an original barrel nut. Or a full size factory rail that you cut down. You might consider getting a faux suppressor to save a little money and time tracking those down. If you really want the originals, happy hunting

Yea. That was my first thought but most of the faux suppressors I've seen claim to not make the barrel any longer. I can't seem to find anything that actually "sticks out" and makes it extend. All I can find are "shrouds." Maybe I'm looking the wrong thing?

Got any links? That would actually be better (my original thinking) since I wouldn't have to change anything that I Was ultimately going to change back anyway.

I've used this one. It's a decent place holder:

.22LR DISPLAY SUPPRESSOR (DISPLAY SILENCER)THREADED 1/2x28 TPI - FOR

WilsonFlyer,
I have my 15-22P set up the exact same way. I took a 15-22 rifle hand guard and cut it to about 7 1/2". This leaves 2 1/2" of my Outback IID stick out of the hand guard. Since I swap the can back and forth between my 15-22P, 15-22 rifle, and a Sig Mosquito; I got a fake can to keep on the 15-22P when the real can isn't mounted. Just go to Gemtech and order the inert display Outback IID can for $35.

Well I sold the pistol.
I was at the range and I had someone ask me if I wanted to sell it. After a little bit of going back in forth, I let it go for $700.
I've since ordered a GSG-5 pistol from CDNN on sale foe $249. That will be much easier to make into a SBR because there are simple bolt on stocks available.
The profit on the M&P15-22P paid for my stamp and most of the stock.
This is what the GSG-5 will look like when I add the stock. It won't have a VFG.

That's the one I ordered.

Bought my can from a local dealer Friday and sent my paperwork off to BATF too.

Thanks!

Bought the same thing for the same purpose two weeks ago.

Mine is do to arrive at my local FFL tomorrow. I will be doing a eform1 as soon as I get home with it.
I'm waiting on a stamp for my Zastava M92 pistol. I filed it on New Years Day. Should be here sometime in the next 10 days.

Look into http://rrages.com/root/screw/index.htm for a screw kit and H&K pin kit.

Also magazines from here with free shipping.
http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchan...egory_Code=GSG

Also lots of good info about it here.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/41_.html

D*H,
Careful of the 110 round drums. They are a PITA to load and the break easy.

I'm working on a M&P22C SBR. I will make a 200 round drum for it. It shout be a sweet as Pb.

I have no intention of buying any of those.

Thanks for the heads up. I love my GSG firearms. I have a PM coming your way.

You should consider adding the VFG fore end as well, makes it much more ergonomic in my opinion. I submitted my eform 1 and started buying parts, got the form 1 back before I even had all the upgrades I wanted (although I didn't really need some of them).

I did the GSG-522 to 5 conversion, screw kit, folding stock, VFG, installed a Sparrow thread spec adapter, HK rear sight, and another bunch of other mods that I can't remember right off hand. red dot might be NCStar, but it allows absolute cowitness with the iron sights.







How come every time you do something I end up spending more money?

NOT TO BRAG OR ANYTHING....BUT, I just found & bought a (NIB) new in the box M&P 15-22P at my local brick & mortar. $429.00 + tax etc. It will accompany my 15-22 moe rifle quite nicely. I probably don't have to tell you guys how long it took to find this pistol etc so I wont. What I will say is that just prior to their discontinue years ago I was all set to buy 1. I went to the dealer and it wasn't there so I asked him and searched the web but they were all dried up. So, to find one now is crazy, but it happened. I am still in shock. 2 day wait period but I'l post some pics as soon as I get it. serial # was DUMXXXX.

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Well, I got mine day before yesterday. I may even post pics. Pretty proud of it. So was the guy I bought it from. Suffice it to say I didn't get the deal some of you guys got, but I got one!

One question, if I may.

Did we ever determine with any certainty whether I can apply for an SBR on Form 4 using my 15/22 lower and the upper from my 15/22P?

Thanks!

No. But you can use a form 1. Just don't install the 15/22P upper on the lower until you get your approved form back and the lower engraved.

My apologies. I got my forms confused. So I can do it on a Form 1 and keep both as they are and move the upper to the lower when I want to so long as it's approved and I have my stamp back?

Cool. Thanks!

Congratulations. Your serial number is interesting. Nobody knows for sure how many of these S&W made. Most of the serial numbers I saw posted last year seemed to indicate that the DULXXXX series was probably toward the end of production. Mine is DUL8XXX. You might have one of the last for sure. Anyway, just be glad you got one.

Interesting

Mine is also a DUL8*** series

Love mine... Best $299 Ive spent on a Toy

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Well I got her home exactly 48hours and 7 minutes after my purchase. Cleaned Lubed ready to shoot. But of course a snow blizzard had to hit us here in WI. So I'l add some mods in the meantime. Purchased the Magpul AFG for it but its too long for the fore end, so I returned it. Did get a nice single point sling. QUESTION- My flash hider is only hand tight on the end of the barrel, how do I hold the barrel properly so I can tighten it?

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