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Old 05-10-2016, 10:39 PM
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I have been having trouble zeroing my 15-22 at 25 yds with standard vel cci. I found out today an interesting find. I was using a Caldwell led sled, just because I could use it to zero. After I tried to shoot the gun with out the sled, it was around 3 inches low, and the left to right was dead on. I re-zeroed with out the use of a sled. It appears to be dead on. In the past I have had a bi pod on the front of the forearm, I am believing that this was causing the inaccuracy. I am wondering if I take the cap at the end of the stock forearm will this solve my problem?
Anyone else has had this happen to them?
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Old 05-10-2016, 11:18 PM
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Bi-pods are NOT the best way to achieve accuracy, especially if the bi-pod is mounted to the barrel. If you can free float the barrel thru the forearm and then mount the bi-pod to the forearm it will minimize the affect of the bi-pod. ..........
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Old 05-10-2016, 11:59 PM
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When you shoot low, are your group sizes still the same?
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I was using a Caldwell led sled, just because I could use it to zero. After I tried to shoot the gun with out the sled, it was around 3 inches low, and the left to right was dead on. I re-zeroed with out the use of a sled. It appears to be dead on.
This is one of the main reasons I dislike Lead Sleds. You cannot expect a rifle locked down in a vice to recoil the same way it will if it's hand held. Your zero's will not be the same, period.

The Lead Sled came on the market originally to mitigate recoil in heavy recoiling rifles when doing load work and initial zeroing. It's even a poor helper for that because your groups will be of different size.

Buy or make some sandbags. Not only are they cheaper, but the zero you achieve will be much closer, if not identical, to hand held.

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You could always just get a laser boresight. If you do, get one that enters the chamber and not the muzzle.

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The lead sled is not the issue, I was just using the sled to rest the gun. There was nothing securing the rifle to the sled. The bipod is on the pictany hand rail that came stock on the s&w
ar-22. The grouping size stays the same, the problem is if I put a bipod or any pressure on the forearm. There appears to be a shift in POI.

I love led sleds, have worked for me many of years in sighting in firearms.

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Old 05-13-2016, 12:05 AM
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In my experience: Any pressure on a rifle can influence where the bullet strikes. That is why when seriously competing I have little reminders on the stock where my cheek meets the stock, where my left hand holds the stock and mental checks as to how tight I pull the rifle into my shoulder. Same with the grip of my right hand. It all counts!!
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...if I take the cap at the end of the stock forearm will this solve my problem?
It will probably help. It definitely won't hurt.

My 15-22s have free floating forends and the accuracy improved. Tacticool22 convertor and Taccom ultralight CF handguard. My benched and off hand groups go to the same place.
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You may also want to check that your barrel nut is tightened. Mine was having accuracy issues, the odd flyer (not the Philadelphia kind) then i bought a barrel nut tool and gave it a tighten (it did not need much) and mine is as accurate as i am

It is advised not to straddle any optic between the handguard and the upper, rather just mount on the upper. You can remove the endcap, it is just cosmetic and to stop mud and stuff when crawling thorough the jungles of South east asia...oh and.....
All together now...it's not an AR-22. haha
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well, it is off to S&W
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well, it is off to S&W
So you didn't even try shooting it with the forend cap removed first?
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I just guess you can't help some people most of the time

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I tried with the cap removed, tried the barrel nut tightened.
Had a S&W recommended gun smith look at it, they could not fix the problem. S&W wanted the gun sent to them
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The barrel free floats from the barrel nut.
Any pressure can make the polymer hand guard flex, throwing your POA, POI off.
Did you use a real barrel nut wrench and clamp the barrel in a vise with the correct blocks?
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Cool accuracy on a M&P15-22

I have fooled around with this gun and have found the three things that greatly effect accuracy...1- remove the hand guard that come s with the gun the plastic end piece affects the barrel and moves it 2- put in a 3ib. triggergroup ( CNC or tifney )and 3- put a Bug Buster scope (8 in. )on it has an AO of( 3-infinity) yds focus. .. your groups will be very tight from 10 to 25 yds above that and everybody has groups that widen at 50 yds.You can take what I said to the bank!
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OK... What should I expect for a 25 yard group size from a properly assembled stock rifle with a decent after market sight of my choice? If I want to put every shot thru one hole I don't think i would select this platform for that outcome. Enlighten me!
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OK... What should I expect for a 25 yard group size from a properly assembled stock rifle with a decent after market sight of my choice? If I want to put every shot thru one hole I don't think i would select this platform for that outcome. Enlighten me!
3/4" using a good rest.
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The rifle does its part, it all depends if i do my part.
10 shots offhand 25yrd (1inch guitar pick for scale)
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10 Shots resting on a magazine on the bench. 25yrd
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Is this the rifle with the $1,000.00 scope on it?
My budget will not allow that level of purchase and I don't have anything else to use it on so I could rationalize sharing...
But at least now I know what to expect for performance.
How does it do at 100 yards?
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Is this the rifle with the $1,000.00 scope on it?
My budget will not allow that level of purchase and I don't have anything else to use it on so I could rationalize sharing...
But at least now I know what to expect for performance.
How does it do at 100 yards?
No brother, my scope is not $1000 dollars...i only wish
My scope cost (post Brexit) $330. Which was the top of my budget. It is an air rifle/rimfire scope...with a very close eye relief but this allows you to repeat the cheek weld..which factors into shot accuracy...(It actually states in the instructions 'if you plan to use it on a centrefire then book a taxi to the hospital as the scope will give you a nasty kiss'). I found changing my grip to a hogue, applying an AFG and Gas Pedal to the handguard and of course swapping the trigger, to be the biggest factors in improving accuracy...it made it all very easy to make sure i have a repeatable grip, the same place on the handguard and the 2lb trigger, means i feel more in control of my shots.

Weather depending at 100 yards i can hit a tin can 8/10 times. The accuracy does open up at that distance, but not drastically. That is the 22 round and not the rifle. My dad and I practised rapid fire at balloons at 100 yards and the 15 22 performed fantastically. Scoring a perfect 20/20.

At 25 yards which is what i shoot my 15-22 at, it is very accurate!
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well, my dealer sent the gun off to s&W. They changed the bolt and extractor. When my dealer got the gun back, he did some shooting with it and SHOT WORSE before their repairs. It has been sent off once again. This is BULL ****!!!!
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So far, I have not been very happy with this Smith and Wesson experience. My 15-22 shoots worse than my son's Cricket Single shot.
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I've only had brief experience with two 15-22s, neither mine. But I've got a pair of 80-year-old Springfield single shots (original price, $3), that would shoot the pants off both of them. Admittedly two rifles are a small sample, but my impression is that they are mighty expensive plinkers at best.
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Zero handguns at 25 yards, rifle or carbine at 50. Get zero close using some sort of conventional rest. Then shoot offhand or however you plan on shooting the gun for a final zero. Shooting offhand, bullets will usually not strike in the same place as they will when shooting from a rested position.

I've never used a "Lead Sled" and probably wouldn't after looking at one. For a serious rest, something like a Hart Pedestal works very well with Protektor sandbags front and rear.
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Well, after two trips to S&W, third Nikon P-rimfire scope, I finally got the gun shooting right. it appears that the first two Nikon scope were faulty from Nikon. I do not like their new lines, so Leopold will be scope of choice.
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So all-in-all it wasn't the gun but the ****** scope?

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I bought a new 25-22 in Jan 16.
Put a VQ extractor in it, a cheap $130 red dot on it and it puts rounds in a 1 1/2" square at 50 yds consistently.
Very happy with it!

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[QUOTE=PeglegJones;139243555]So all-in-all it wasn't the gun but the ****** scope?





Yep, bad scopes froM Nikon
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