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Old 03-26-2018, 11:39 PM
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I have my first 15-22 on the way and thought Iíd pre-purchase a few minor upgrades while I wait, one of which is the highly-regarded replacement extractor from Volquartsen. $10 seemed reasonable. Little did I know, until the package arrived today, that itís a thin sliver of steel barely larger than a nail clipping. Based on size/price ratio I would expect the thing to be made out of 24k gold. I gotta get into the firearm accessory biz...
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Old 03-27-2018, 12:18 AM
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Buy a half dozen factory mags and a McFadden speed loader and let it rip!! Shoot a brick through it before considering upgrades. These rifles are made to shoot right out of the box. You'll have a blast!!
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:15 PM
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I had quite afew FTE with my MP 15/22 when new. Put the Vol. ex. in and don't know if I've had one since. Well worth $10. And the McFadden loader is a must. Worth every penny. I bought the adapters for a couple of my pistols, so mine gets a lot of use.
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:16 PM
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Yep, I already bought a McFadden and the 15-22 adapter. They're ready to go!
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:15 AM
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The extractor is worth every penny and combined with the CMC trigger I fitted it's like a different rifle.

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Old 03-28-2018, 10:42 AM
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It's not the size of the part, it's what it does that makes it valuable.

I had ejection problems prior to S&W tweaking the ejector, but no extraction problems, so I'll forego that until something changes. Maybe I won't, because it's fun to fiddle with these things.
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Old 03-30-2018, 02:01 AM
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It's not the size of the part, it's what it does that makes it valuable.

I had ejection problems prior to S&W tweaking the ejector, but no extraction problems, so I'll forego that until something changes. Maybe I won't, because it's fun to fiddle with these things.
So S&W tweaked their design in later models and I might not need the Volquartsen at all?
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:01 AM
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So S&W tweaked their design in later models and I might not need the Volquartsen at all?
Just put the Volquartsen in and forget about it. It's better than OEM, redesigned or not.

If you don't put it in, you'll probably be fine with the current extractor. Until you aren't. And then you'll think, 'why didn't I just put in the other extractor that I already have that everyone says is better in every way'.

It's not peer pressure. It's simple logic. You bought it. Use it.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:40 AM
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So S&W tweaked their design in later models and I might not need the Volquartsen at all?
I'm referring to the ejector, not extractor. I should have stipulated that very clearly.

When new, my M&P's ejector was too far away from the bolt to allow reliable ejection of spent cases. Spent cases would be crushed by the bolt with regularity (2-5 out of 25). Sent it back to S&W, who tweaked the ejector and it's been great ever since. This is a fix that the end user can do pretty easily, but I wanted them to do it (it was new, dangit).

S&W may have changed the extractor in the Sport models, but I don't know that for certain. Again, I had a problem with ejection, not extraction.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:58 AM
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I'm referring to the ejector, not extractor. I should have stipulated that very clearly.

When new, my M&P's ejector was too far away from the bolt to allow reliable ejection of spent cases. Spent cases would be crushed by the bolt with regularity (2-5 out of 25). Sent it back to S&W, who tweaked the ejector and it's been great ever since. This is a fix that the end user can do pretty easily, but I wanted them to do it (it was new, dangit).

S&W may have changed the extractor in the Sport models, but I don't know that for certain. Again, I had a problem with ejection, not extraction.
I don't know that the ejector has changed. There were reports early (IIRC) on that the ejector was coming in contact with the bolt, and the fix was to ever so slightly bend the ejector away from the underside of the bolt. Also, this area of the bolt tends to pick up a lot of residue, so make sure it is cleaned regularly.
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:02 AM
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All I bought for mine was ammo....All it needed.
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:39 AM
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When new, my M&P's ejector was too far away from the bolt to allow reliable ejection of spent cases... Sent it back to S&W, who tweaked the ejector and it's been great ever since... This is a fix that the end user can do pretty easily,
Good summation. The issue is the POSITIONING of the EJECTOR. We've been thru this a bunch if anyone does a search. The EJECTOR needs to be high enough to be almost in contact with the underside of the bolt and laterally the "tip" of the ejector "hook" should be almost in contact with the rib on the underside of the bolt. By "almost in contact" I mean less than the thickness of a piece of paper clearance or barely contacting. The ejector is adjusted by (carefully) bending it. I adjusted mine and have adjusted the ejectors for guys with 15-22s at my home club. I'm not parroting what I've read...

After 5 yrs of shooting Rimfire and Steel Challenge and Bowling Pins Matches (and lots of practice rds) I still have the original extractors and springs and plungers in place. My 15-22s are EXTREMELY reliable. The only other reliability change I've made is that the Giessele triggers I run have extra power hammer springs and I use Colt 901 trigger and hammer pins that are longer and sit flush with the outside of the lower.

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Old 03-30-2018, 07:47 PM
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Good summation. The issue is the POSITIONING of the EJECTOR. We've been thru this a bunch if anyone does a search. The EJECTOR needs to be high enough to be almost in contact with the underside of the bolt and laterally the "tip" of the ejector "hook" should be almost in contact with the rib on the underside of the bolt. By "almost in contact" I mean less than the thickness of a piece of paper clearance or barely contacting. The ejector is adjusted by (carefully) bending it. I adjusted mine and have adjusted the ejectors for guys with 15-22s at my home club. I'm not parroting what I've read...

After 5 yrs of shooting Rimfire and Steel Challenge and Bowling Pins Matches (and lots of practice rds) I still have the original extractors and springs and plungers in place. My 15-22s are EXTREMELY reliable. The only other reliability change I've made is that the Giessele triggers I run have extra power hammer springs and I use Colt 901 trigger and hammer pins that are longer and sit flush with the outside of the lower.
Where do you get the Colt 901 Hammer & Trigger pins. What Geissele Trigger are you using. I have 2 S3G w/3# springs in my Colt M4's that I really like for a CQB Gun with a Red Dot sight. You can absolutely hammer targets.
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Where do you get the Colt 901 Hammer & Trigger pins. What Geissele Trigger are you using. I have 2 S3G w/3# springs in my Colt M4's that I really like for a CQB Gun with a Red Dot sight. You can absolutely hammer targets.
I'm using:
Super Dynamic 3 Gun (SD-3G) Trigger - Triggers - Lower Parts
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Hi-Speed National Match: Match Rifle (Match) Parts Kit
and trigger and hammer pins:
Trigger & Hammer Pins For COLT 901
The combination has served me well.
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:46 PM
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I'm using:
Super Dynamic 3 Gun (SD-3G) Trigger - Triggers - Lower Parts
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Trigger & Hammer Pins For COLT 901
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I have my first 15-22 on the way and thought Iíd pre-purchase a few minor upgrades while I wait, one of which is the highly-regarded replacement extractor from Volquartsen. $10 seemed reasonable. Little did I know, until the package arrived today, that itís a thin sliver of steel barely larger than a nail clipping. Based on size/price ratio I would expect the thing to be made out of 24k gold. I gotta get into the firearm accessory biz...
Have you ever seen an EDM machine like the ones that make their parts?
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Old 04-11-2018, 03:40 AM
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I was having some FTE problems with my M&P 22. Bought the Volquartsen and havenít had a problem since, even with some questionable ammo.
I think it better design than the original. Not sure, but I also believe the angle is slightly different
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I installed the new extractor and took it back to the range, using the same box of ammo as before. Not one single jam. Not one. Amazing. Why doesn’t Smith make this an OEM part???
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:31 PM
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I changed mine, only 1 FTF per mag but this has now cured it. I did rack a mag of rounds through it and noticed that the last few mm of bolt travel was smoother.
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I guess I got lucky because shoots up anything I put in it. Didn't have to buy a new extractor, trigger, hammer, bi pod, tri pod, turn signals, white wall tires.........
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I'm with others..I made the upgrade before I even brought my gun to the range..never had a problem..maybe I never would have had one with the factory part ..but it was an inexpensive part and I'm glad I got it in my gun..peice of mind type of thing I guess
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I should have added some additional detail to this thread that I posted in another. I took my new 15-22 to the range with two boxes of Federal bulk ammo (one a few years old I had forgotten I still had and one fresh box). I had major FTE issues. Really disappointing. I took the gun apart and cleaned/lubed it and installed the Volquartsen. Took it back to the range. Zero issues. Was it the cleaning/lubing that fixed the issue or the new extractor? I don't know, but the problems are now history.
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Here's a different one. It has clearance in the front so the ejector doesn't move away from the rim when in battery.
Watch the ejector when you have the upper off and lower the bolt slowly
Plus more aggressive angles and way more clearance
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S long as you keep the bolt face clean and with the Volquartsen extractor you should have a very reliable firearm. I put one on my Ruger 10/22 and I can't remember when was the last time I had a stovepipe.
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S long as you keep the bolt face clean and with the Volquartsen extractor you should have a very reliable firearm. I put one on my Ruger 10/22 and I can't remember when was the last time I had a stovepipe.
Look inside the cutout for the extractor.
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