Still no one in the US that has the gauge fro measuring?

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Still no email confirming the order.

Nothing here regarding email. Order number generated online therefore I assume the order was successful.

Thanks for the original post. I have had mine for 5+ years. No problems. Clean bolt face after every range session. Went to S&W website, printed off the PDF of the alert and inspection document and ordered the gauge (free) on their site. Have to enter the Serial Number for the order. Easy. Simple inspection if you have the gauge.

This morning, I took my stripped bolt into the Inspection Department at work where they have a very large computerized measuring machine (CMM) that's calibrated to International standards.

Long story short, measured at three different points in the recess, the recess in the bolt face (mine anyway) is 0.0388".

It might be worth noting that the rifle was bought new last August and has fired about 800 rounds with no problem other than when I didn't fill the mag correctly.

All I have to do now is wait to see what the Go/NoGo gauge thickness is.

Iain

I was told to contact the warranty centre closest to me by Smith & Wesson customer support. Belguim is closest.

BELGIUM

WAPENHANDEL PARTHOENS
SIEBERG 46
3770 RIEMST
BELGIUM
Phone: 32-12-451615
Web: Wapenhandel Parthoens

I had a email from them this morning asking for my address to send a guage when they receive them from the US.

I've measured mine with digital calipers which will not be as accurate as the machine you used but mine was 0.046. I've also measured my Anschutz bolt and that is around 0.049. I think mine is going to be OK.

Same deal here. No email on the order for the gauge. But the site did say the order was placed and accepted.


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There is now an international order form for those outside the US

Here is the link - M&P15-22 Bolt Inspection Gauge International Order Form

Thanks for that UK 15-22

Many thanks for that UK 15-22. Just ordered mine and the acknowledgement says about 6 weeks for delivery.

Iain

Mine says 2/3 weeks

Did either of you receive a confirmation email?
Mine said 2-3 weeks and that they would send a confirmation email, but the email didn't arrive. Unless they meant after it was sent.

No, just had the acknowledgement that they had received the request. I presumed that the mail would be sent once the gauge has been dispatched.

Iain

Same as Iain for me

SAAMI specs for .22lr are 0.043"min-0.051"max so it'll be interesting what the gauge is. (Page 14 in link below)

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads...2018-06-13.pdf

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I spoke with one of their IT guys. He told me they were having "email" issues.

Do tell me if I am wrong, it appears the rim sits partially within the "rim recess" in the chamber. Surely this has to be taken into account when measuring the bolt recess.

This forum has about 2000 active posting members none of whom, at least to me and judging by their posts, fit into the category of purchasers I mentioned. This board is composed of knowledgeable gun enthusiasts. The universe of purchasers of the 15-22 is quite a bit larger and I suspect contains a fair sampling of the individual described. If I was advising Smith on how to treat this, I would tell them the same thing I posted here and ask them if they are willing to take the chance that the general gun-buying public is intelligent enough to remedy the problem themselves and that nothing is gonna slip through and bite them on the backside. They have made a dollars and cents decision regarding that possibility vs the costs of recalling all of the weapons themselves and have chosen their course of action. Yea I'm a lawyer and I make my living thinking about things like this and advising clients accordingly as it is wayyyyy easier to avoid stepping in a pile of dog poop in the first place rather than stopping to clean it off ones shoes.
Lighten up Francis

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Have yet to receive an official reply via email but, unlike the other day, I can now log in to my S&W account. Progress.

I called the recall hotline and was asked my serial number. The woman was very nice and the conversation was very short. I was told they would be sending me a shipping label to send my bolt back for replacement. I made that call 3-11 and have yet to receive anything but they don't call it snail mail for no reason.
Like I said I had read about this problem shortly after I bought mine about 8 years ago. I am surprised it took this long before S&W did something about it.
I inserted a 22lr cartridge into the bolt and I have to say the shell casing head ring does sit very close to the bolt surface. I would think it wouldn't have to get very dirty before it might have a seating problem that could cause malfunction firing problems. I hadn't had any malfunctions with mine but I seldom shot a few full mags at a time with it either.

Just cuz I'm paranoid don't mean That I want to end up on a LIST of 15-22 owners. I bought mine LEGALY FTF (here with no background check) from one of our clubs RO's. NO PAPER TRAIL & would prefer to keep it that way. Thoughts??? Just measure the bolt face myself???

You could after someone posts up the measurement(s). Being that you posted about having one on the internet, you pretty much let the cat out of the bag. Running your serial number at this point wouldn’t make a difference.


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And over 3000 posts on the M&P 15-22 forum wasn’t really a clue to ownership was it? No offence intended my friend

Following on from getting my bolt recess measured at work, then reading the SAAMI specs (many thanks for the link Blackstuff), I went back to Inspection this morning and got it re-measured just in case a mistake had been made.

With the bolt face toward you & extractor claw on the left, I got the following in the recess;

at 9 ‘o’ clock – 0.03855”
at 6 ‘o’ clock – 0.03878”
at 3 ‘o’ clock – 0.03886”

Looks like mines going to be a failure but if that’s the case, I’m struggling to understand why she’s performed flawlessly. I guess I’ve just been lucky. I'll see what the gauge says when it gets here.

Iain

I've just had another thought........my bolt is fitted with a non-original firing pin & extractor claw which weren't cheap .

Looks like the dealership will be getting mine back fully stripped rather than as a complete unit .

Trying to order the Bolt Inspection Gauge, and I can't complete checkout. Anybody else having issues? I just get the spinning thing when I click "Go to Checkout". I turned off my Adblocker and tried several times with no luck.

Got my order confirmation from SW today. Said they would provide shipping updates when available. For reference, I ordered the gauge on Mar 8 when the notice appeared.

Just got my "Go/No Go" gauge in the mail today. (w free M&P decal in package if that's of interest to you.) It's metal and fits the recess in the bolt face precisely. At first, it looked like I had an issue with the gauge sitting proud of the bolt face then I realized that I has some residual wax build-up (from CCI ammo) in that crevis. Not much, but enough to throw the gauge off until I scraped it out with a tooth pick.

BTW, the gauge measures 0.036" thick on my calipers.

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FWIW,
I measured mine yesterday: 0.043 - 0.045 in. was the bolt face recess depth I measured. I think I should be good. Waiting on the S&W gauge to confirm.

Interesting I think you measured in inches as I measured mine and got 0.039-.0405". And I also measured the gap on the barrel end and bolt through the ejection port and got 0.0015 with and without a casing in the chamber (no change). Note that the area around the chamber on the barrel is slightly proud of the rest of the barrel face (not sure exactly what the area is called) and it does make full contact of that area that is slightly proud with only a slight gap around the edge of the bolt face. If I took the barrel off and was able to measure how proud that area was my bet is the 0.0015 I measured with the bolt closed through the ejection port. So if anyone has noticed a gap there I believe its normal.

Yes, I measured in inches not mm. Corrected my post, thanks. Ha!

got my go/no go guage today, only 4 day wait. guage is .036, I also own an older one ser.#DTEXXXX and the guage is flush with the bolt face and the top of the bolt.. works for me......also have well over 5000 rounds though it with zero problems

Thanks for sharing fellas! Waiting a week on my guage.

Just a heads up if you're trying to order a gauge online...if you are running an ad blocker, turn it off or you'll just get the spinning thingy on your screen forever!

Received mine today - ordered the day the notice came out. Newer 15-22 (FDE with M-Lok), SN# DFA9***. The guage sits perfectly flush with the face of the bolt. No probs, looking like I'm in the clear..

If the gauge is only 0.036" and the SAAMI spec for .22lr is 0.043-0.051" the guns that have failed must be WELL out of spec!

Hopefully the international orders for the gauge will be forthcoming shortly so we can get back to business as usual. Considering the first UKPSA (UK chapter of IPSC) Mini-rifle Championship is this weekend it'll be interesting to find out if 15-22's have been permitted or not.

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I measured the bolt face with the depth gauge on my calipers and got .042" in multiple spaces. So, it looks like I'm ok based on the reported thickness of the gauge tool. I'll still confirm with the gauge tool when it comes in just to be sure I didn't flub up the measurements.

Took delivery of my new 15-22 last week after I read about the latest problem. Figured S&W would take care of it. Anyway, I called in my serial number yesterday (Tuesday) and a nice young lady on the phone said I'd see the measuring device in about a week. Mounted a Vortex 1x4x24 Crossfire II with built-in dot on the rifle last night, needs final adustments, of course, but seems close to being set up ok for eye relief. Rear iron (plastic) sight wouldn't fit with the Vortex mount there, so I'll use the front and rear 15-22 sights on my Aero Precision .308 "AR-10".

Just got off the phone with S&W. Ordered mine on 9 March. No email, etc from them since then. Status: Pending. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't fallen through the cracks. Rep told me "due to an overwhelming response to the alert, we are a little behind on shipments". Fine with me. Sounded like one of those overseas call centers.

Same here. I got .042/43. Will confirm go/no go. But I'll mic the gauge as well.

Well, I like to live a little dangerously, so...I cleaned and lubed my brand-new 15-22, unscrewed the muzzle device, screwed on my suppressor and fired off 50 rounds of American Eagle 45 grain suppressor ammo. No problems, misfires. Mine has one of the impacted serial numbers, so I've already called in for the gauge. Rifle works well with suppressor, action slamming around inside is pretty noisy compared to my Tactisol .22LR 10/22 clone.

My gauge arrived today. It's 0.036" Both of our 15-22's measured 0.042"/0.043" so we're safe.

Is there a list of the rifles that could be affected then

I was under the impression it was a general alert for all rifles before a certain date, rather than a specific batch.

Iain

It is, all rifles before Feb 2019. There is a tool online where you can input your serial number if you are unsure.

helps if you read all the way to the bottom of the page doesn't it?

Iain

P.S. Mine's one of them with a DFCxxxx number

I just received my S&W go/no go gauge and it measures .036 also. I haven't had a chance yet to check my 2014 HCE, I think I'll use my caliper and measure. Hopefully mine is in the .038 - .039 range. If there is a chamfer at the chamber rim it adds to the clearance of the bolt. The SAAMI spec for a 22LR rim that I read is .043 -.007, which is .036 - .043. I don't think I'd want mine on the super loose side of the spec, I keep my 15-22 clean.

Received my gauge in the mail this morning. Using a Starrett micrometer, it measures 0.0359. I'll check my bolt later today. Oh, no free decal in the envelope. I guess you had to really be one of the first ten to get anything free. OK I just checked mine and the gauge is barely below the bolt face. I'm within spec (well, the rifle is anyway; I'm not sure about me).

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I requested mine right after I shared the link on here... still haven't received it yet.

Still no sign of the gauge I ordered from the S&W International page.

Maybe they’ve sent batches to their overseas agents and are relying on them for worldwide distribution.

Anyway, as the general consensus is that the magic number is 0.036” for the gauge (many thanks to all you guys for sharing BTW. It’s greatly appreciated), and my bolt recess measures in at slightly more than 0.038” (post #73), I’m going to work on the assumption that mine’s OK…… tight, but OK.

That is unless any one of you wise folk can think of a good reason for me not to.

FWIW, using a digital vernier caliper, I’ve just randomly measured the rim thickness of a load of CCI Mini-Mag (the rifle’s regular diet) and the vast majority come out at 0.0395”.

I’ve also got some of the new Eley Semi-Auto ammo (three types named Force, Contact & Action Plus) that I tried before this all blew up (no pun intended ) and rim thicknesses vary between 0.0375” & 0.0390”.

Before anyone asks though, I’m not going to be buying anymore of the stuff. The Force & the Contact are more expensive than CCI, they’re all dirtier than CCI and the groups are no better. Bear in mind that this is what I found from my rifle. It could produce different results in someone else’s.

I think I’ll just keep a close eye on the rim thickness of any new stuff I try and like a good citizen, make sure I'm pointing the noisy end downrange whenever there's a magazine fitted .

Iain

Unexpectedly received gauge today (ordered 9 March). Gauge measured .036". About as flush as can be. I must have measured the depth wrong days ago. My recess could possibly be between .036 / .037. I'm calling flush with both a high - power magnifier and dragging a fingernail.

No sticker and gluey **** (scotch tape stickum) on one side of gauge. Alcohol barely dented it. Acetone is next. OCD don't you know.

Ordered mine on the 8th in the evening. Showed up in the mail today. Based on past measurement comments and my own measurements, I’m expecting it to be good. If not, I’ll post what I find.


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