stovepipeing

cchiker · #1 09-19-2010, 11:09 PM

hello everyone, i'm chris , my brand new m&p 9 pro 1st time at range i didn't count but about 10 stovepipe's ,i think it's called that (shell stuck half in half out)with about 150 + rds of mixed win,fed & rem fact ammo. i really can't beleive it because my cs9 (have 10 years & 1911 pd have 6 years with thousands of i can't count rounds never even blinked .
i know the spring was tight cause i needed 2 hands to remove it to clean it being brand new (usmc inspection clean )so the 2nd time at range 100 +only 2 stovepipes (same ammo)but slide would not lock with empty mag of rem. i tested many times.(slide is the ammo so i'm not worried) i searched online and came up with limp wristing which i never heard of (i can't belive its the pistol). 3 rd time at range yesterday i put on med grips & extra oil to test & slide locked every time,no stuck cases with about 70 rds (running low on ammo).
sorry to rant but i have to know 1000% that the pistol works every time, could there be a break in period? is there such a thing called limp wristing. tomarrow i'm going to put at least 200 +more rds of everything to test. i didn't even count my hand loads in this because i loaded less than 400rds but like i said my other 2 pistols eat everything. anyone have a problem with the pro? my wife's saying wow you been going to the range alot lately(she doesn't know i have a new pistol) i'm trying to think of something. thank you chris

cp1969 · #2 09-19-2010, 11:20 PM

It would take a lot more rounds for me to ever have enough confidence in that particular gun to carry it for self protection.

Maybe that's some of the allure of the semi-auto is seeing how fast you can clear a jam and get back in action.

Try this, if you're not out of ammo: Separate the ammo by brand, then by bullet weight if you can. Shoot all of each brand, counting how many failures you have. You might find one brand it likes. All it takes is a rim thickness/diameter that your gun doesn't like and the extractor can't hold the case against the breech well enough for the ejector to do its job right. This just goes with the territory of automatics--nothing you can do about it; they are finicky when it comes to ammo, at least compared to a revolver.

If you're lucky, you'll find an ammo it likes. If not, send it back to the factory.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

silvercn · #3 09-19-2010, 11:51 PM

We use the S&W W&P 9MM FS, at work.
There have been only a couple of issues.

1. Limp Wristing - The gun is light and has a shorter slide.
Make sure you keep a good grip on the pistol and get your sites right back on target.
Above all, HOLD ON TO THAT GUN! and MEAN IT when you shoot.

2. Dirty Ejector - Some have failed to clean the ejector after they shoot the gun.
This build up of carbon can interfere with the little claw that pulls the round out.

I have not had any of these issues with my 9FS and my 45C.
but hope those tips help you out.... the M&P is a great pistol.
good luck.

OKFC05 · #4 09-20-2010, 11:18 AM

My M&P 9 Pro was 100% reliable from the start.
I am using my standard minor power handloads with PD 124gr FMJ.

Of course, I field stripped the gun and the magazines, making sure all the shipping grease was out, and lubricated the slide points with Brownells action grease per S&W instructions. The magazines were disassembled and cleaned with CRC Silicone, wiped dry, and reassembled.

If you have not done the above, suggest trying that first. I have "cured" a lot of new guns, including some very expensive ones, that way. Then if you still have a problem with good ammo, call S&W.

GONIF · #5 09-20-2010, 01:19 PM

Clean and lube it ,get some full power 124 grain nato spec ball ammo .If it won't function 100% with that ammo it is the gun and needs to go back to S&W for repair .Any 9 that won't work with this ball ammo has problems .
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...124gr-fmj-ammo

dlbx2 · #6 09-20-2010, 02:35 PM

Hello! I was at the range a few years back, and was hearing an abundance of four letter words about 4 stations down from mine. I walked over and asked what the problem was. He had a brand new 96FS, and it was giving him a fit with hangups. He had only one brand of ammo, and I don't remember what it was. He asked if I would shoot it to see if I noticed anything wrong. Two clips later, no hangups. So I then watched him shoot it, and his problem was, what you called, limp wrist. Semi-autos, as you probably know, are test fired & expected to be range fired from a stationary platform, meaning you hands. If part of the recoil is absorbed in your wrist rocking back and forth, then the recoil that is expected to be there to eject the empties is cut short and can't do it's job. I have heard shooters claim that after x amount of shots, they have hangup problems, and they find that after x amount of shots, their wrists have become tired. Not a catch all for sure, but the limp wrist issue is definately one of several possibilities. I am not an expert, but I hope this helps.
DLB

GONIF · #7 09-20-2010, 02:58 PM

I have been hearing about limp wrist for years ,but never had it happen .

cchiker · #8 09-23-2010, 09:59 PM

just want to update, last trips to range about 200 + rds & 100 lite handloads every round ejected fine, didn't do anything special except put on med grips, thanks everyone for your input chris

kravmaguy · #9 09-25-2010, 01:46 PM

I had the same problem with my 9 pro 5". Started using some real high quality slide grease fixed my problem(plus break in time). First 300 rounds were a nightmare of stove pipes and FTE's, also the slide never stayed open after the last shot. Last 500 rounds have been perfected no issues at all.

agksimon · #10 09-26-2010, 07:11 PM

I was shooting IDPA today and had one happen from a limp wristing, when I got in a hurry. The correct name is short cycling and it is a very real situation. If you don't hold a good grip, the gun recoils too much and the slide doesn't come back far enough to eject the extracted case and it jams up in there with the next round trying to come up.

HspncElvis · #11 11-17-2010, 12:27 AM

I have 750 rounds through my Sigma 9mm. Last Saturday I experienced my gun jamming. Looks like it was trying to dual load the barrel. My Law Enforcement buddy told me it sounds like Limp Wristing. Would happen around the 6th, 7th, or 8th round of a 10 round Magazine. Not consistantly, but about 3 times. Last two mags I put through my gun were fine. He told me a firm grip (push and pull) would solve the problem. Sometimes I get lazy and don't practice the Push and Pull method. I believe this is when the Limp Wristing happend.

Your thoughts?

Deadeye Dick · #12 11-17-2010, 10:02 AM

Have not had any stove pipe or slide problems like yours with my M&P40 however I have not put very many rounds threw it yet.

Now if you have figured out a good way to break the news to your wife about your new acquisition that kept you from the dog house I would be very interested in hearing about it.

Closet M&P owner.