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Old 03-07-2011, 08:58 PM
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I purchased a M&P 9mm about a month ago, I have shot around 1k rounds through it. I am a new shooter and have really been trying to concentrate on slowing down and getting the technique right. There has been a total of 6 or 7 times while slowly releasing the trigger after a shot, it will feel like it resets, when I squeeze the trigger again, nothing happens....Its like it clicks for a reset but it doesnt actually reset. DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?

Any recommendations? Trigger work?
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I had the same issue with my 40c so I sent it to Burwell for a trigger job. Burwell Gunsmithing- Your M&P specialist It's a very clean crisp trigger now but still hard to feel the trigger reset.
My next gun I pickup (M&P 45) I will get the Apex complete trigger upgrade kit, the "RAM" kit is the one that greatly improves the reset. Welcome to Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc. All the reviews on the Apex kit are great.
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Well, there's more than one way to approach your issue, depending on what you prefer.
1. Learn to shoot a stock M&P. There is nothing wrong with the gun, and your technique is not really suitable for this type of gun. It is a service pistol, meant to be shot with firm, smooth, forward and back strokes of the same speed, going past the reset point, not trying to "feel" exactly where it is. It is not a slowfire Olympic or bullseye pistol.
2. Put in the Apex parts, which give a more noticeable "feel" to the reset and smooth the overall trigger action appreciably. May or may not give you what you want.
3. If you really want the crisp positive trigger typical on a high quality 1911, then buy one and forget about the combat tupperware. They can't match the trigger on a $2000 Wilson 1911.
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To each their own. But I can't fathom why people worry about trigger reset. You'll never notice it in a fight. Competiton might be a different story.
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I purchased a M&P 9mm about a month ago, I have shot around 1k rounds through it. I am a new shooter and have really been trying to concentrate on slowing down and getting the technique right. There has been a total of 6 or 7 times while slowly releasing the trigger after a shot, it will feel like it resets, when I squeeze the trigger again, nothing happens....Its like it clicks for a reset but it doesnt actually reset. DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?

Any recommendations? Trigger work?
You may also have the dreaded "Dead Trigger" problem, where the fool thing just won't reset no matter what, unless you work the slide. Since it's a new gun, you may want to ask S&W to upgrade the sear return spring and plunger, or at least look at it. (The "Dead Trigger" really seems to be independent of technique, btw. The sear just flops around a bit during recoil and isn't "there" when the striker is ready to contact it. You should still feel the reset....)

M&P's made after 1 October, 2010 should have the updated sear, but this appears to be a slipstream upgrade, where existing parts are still being used until they run out.

Apex will update your sear block for you - if you're going to do the DCAEK mod anyway, it'll save you a few bucks to let them do that too. Just send the slide and sear block. (These are not considered a firearm, so you can ship 'em any old way. UPS or FedEx just so you can insure/track them....) You'll still have to do the trigger spring upgrade yourself, but you could send the whole gun (for the usual nasty upcharge from FedEx or UPS), or figure that if you've learned how to get the sear block out of the gun, you can handle the trigger yourself . It's not that hard.

Everybody will also agree (I hope ) that Burwell is also a viable option. Good reputation here.... Apex probably would be faster. Any local smith can do the DCAEK upgrade, but it appears that S&W and Apex are the only source for the upgraded plunger & spring. (Burwell is, most likely, doing something with this problem, too, but I'm not sure what.) It's NOT a DIY unless you've got a good mill and some machining skills, and the part.... Apex has the spring and plungers, but I don't think anybody's just selling the plunger at this time. (The new spring is in the DCAEK kit now.)

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You may also have the dreaded "Dead Trigger" problem, where the fool thing just won't reset no matter what, unless you work the slide.
If the trigger indeed won't reset without working the slide, that is not normal, in which case I'd contact S&W and ask them for a call tag to return the gun for warranty repair.
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Install the Apex Tactical RAM and that should solve your problem. I sent a M&P back to Smith and told them the reset wasn't there. They sent it back and the reset was the same. Get the RAM ($21.95 at Midwayusa). It takes a couple minutes to install and gives you and audible click and feel when the trigger resets. I have a RAM in all 3 of my M&P's.
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Skip the Apex RAM. The improvement in my pistol would have required scientific instruments to measure.

The Apex Duty/Carry spring set, on the other hand, produced a trigger very much to my tastes. My two year old M&P9 received a Burwell 4.75 pound trigger job early in her life, but the reset feel was very light. Even with the RAM kit it was imperceptible when wearing light, Nomex gloves.

The Duty/Carry spring set added less than half a pound to the weight but vastly improved the felt reset. The trigger return spring is stronger and the sear spring lighter than stock and the trigger can be "prepped" to the sear trip point without fear of a hair trigger release.

If you already have a good trigger job just get the springs; if you pistol is stock get the complete kit with the sear, etc. Apex has excellent videos on the web for installation.

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It is my belief that you don't get the full benefit of the RAM unless you have the USB installed, because the stock, gritty plunger masks most of the effect of the RAM. And you don't get a stronger reset unless you install a stronger trigger spring.

So basically you're looking at the full DCAEK kit, plus maybe the RAM. I'd get the DCAEK first, see if it gets you where you want, and then consider the RAM.
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Thanks guys! DCAEK on order.
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Just installed my DCAEK and RAM tonight. Seems much nicer than stock. I'll go to the range tomorrow and really try it out. Even with the RAM my gun doesn't make that much of an audible click like described in the video or by others. It is installed and functioning properly just without as much of a click.
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When I first put the ram in my M&P I to thought it did nothing but when shooting I can hear and feal the reset. When you test it make sure the gun is not loaded then pull the trigger and hold it back pull the slide backabout 1" and let go when you release the trigger you will hear and fell the ram work.
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RAM didn't do a thing for me and sear reset remained nearly inaudible and with absolutely no tactile feel wearing Nomex gloves. The Duty/Carry spring set provides both feel and positive reset.

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chuck, y-not:

I think what we have here is a problem with the M&P series (and probably most Tupperguns, in general).... Tolerances.... The RAM just may not move fast enough, or hit something hard enough, to be noticeable. Doesn't mean it's not working. The "sub for a broken trigger spring" effect may be worth the freight all by itself. Guess the point is that we should care more about helping the system reset, than by the click....

IMHO, of course....

IAC the DCAEK kit (and similar mods) are what we pretty much need (or the equivalent work from somebody like Dan Burwell). The rest is icing....

I'm too much of a klutz to do the job myself and too cheap to pay Burwell. But I can handle the relatively simple DIY installation of the DCAEK and RAM.

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Even without the audible click and strong tactile feel the RAM is still worth it in combination with the DCAEK. It is easily visible to see the RAM working before reinstalling the slide. The combination of both make the trigger feel much better. It is still a better trigger than on the Glocks I have owned. If I want a 1911 trigger feel then I'll shoot my 1911.

I enjoy my M&P and didn't find the stock trigger to be awfull in the first place. With the Apex kits I find the trigger to be excellent. I have owned a shot almost all of the major brands of Tupperware pistols (Glock,SA,FN,Sig......) and prefer the M&P. I know that it is just me and ( best friend loves his his Sig 226 that I cant stand). My 1911 is still my favorite overall but the M&P is a close second.
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I didn't remove the RAM and it does assist the trigger bar to move under the sear. But there was no Wow factor whatsoever. I'm using the DCAEK springs, only. The pistol has Burwell enhanced trigger from a couple of years ago.

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