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Old 03-10-2011, 01:54 PM
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Hi all!

(sorry this post got really long as I started typing)

My family has been buying S&W for years now due to their reliability and the fact that they are produced in our home state of MA. I bought my first fire arm last week, a S&W M&P 9mm.

Product: Smith & Wesson M&P9c - Compact Size, Magazine Safety

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After reading through the manual and shooting it at the range twice, I have some questions and concerns. I have been looking around the internet and browsing through these forums, but I still have some questions. I was hoping that some well informed individuals might help me out with a few answers?

1) The fire arm is advertised as 10+1 (MA compliant), yet I have had difficulties achieving this.

- When I load 10 rounds into the magazine, I can only insert it into the pistol if the slide is locked back, and then released and chambers a round. Even after doing this, and taking the clip out to add in another round, it seems I can't insert a fully loaded clip back into the pistol. At least it didn't want to go in easy, and I didn't want to force it. I have read that MA requires a "Magazine Safety" which prevents the pistol from being fired without a magazine in, but that wouldn't stop me from loading a full clip with or without a round in the chamber, would it?

- Is there a way to fully load the magazine, yet not have the pistol cocked with one in the chamber? I'm new to Conceal and Carry and a little weary of the pistol not having a thumb safety; I'm afraid of accidentally grabbing the trigger when drawing the pistol.

- Is it possible to chamber a round and have a fully loaded magazine?

- The MA law is always fluctuating, and has recently changed, I believe. My license allows me to have "Large Capacity" magazines (if previously manufactured before 1999, but I believe that has recently changed also), does S&M manufacture magazines in +10 rounds that would still sit flush in the M&P 9mm compact?

2) I have read a lot about the trigger, and it having issues. Some love it, some hate it and mod it.

- What is the deal with dry firing this weapon? I have always been taught not to do so with any fire arm unless it is necessary. Out of curiosity, I dry fired the M&P and it didn't seem to do anything - no cocking of the fire pin or anything, but I might be wrong about this. Is it damaging to dry fire the pistol?

- I hear the trigger needs a break in time. Right now, it is a very heavy trigger. Will it soften up with use, either dry fire, snap caps, or live rounds?

- There seems to be some conversion kits (such as the Apex mod?) to alter the trigger pull/weight, and also some online manuals for machining some of the parts yourself. I'd rather purchase a kit than start messing with things myself. What is your opinion on these kits, and the trigger. Does S&M offer trigger adjustments at their factory still? My father had his .38 done 30+ years ago right at the factory, and he has been talking about taking a ride back to get my pistol worked on. If we didn't want to take the 2+ hour drive, would S&W mail the machined pistol back and forth? If I go ahead and get a trigger job/mod, what do you recommend for the pull weight? I shoot my fathers pistols which have 'hair triggers', and they improve the accuracy of my shooting 2-fold.

Apex 5-5.5 lb trigger kit:
https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid35.html

Apex 3 lb kit:
https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid36.html

Do it yourself (not what I'm looking to do - would rather buy a kit):
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf

3) Reloading at home.

- My father has a reloader that he uses for his .38, and I am looking to buy the correct dies for reloading 9mm rounds. Does anyone have advice on where to pick up these dies from? What type of powder should I be using, and how many grains, for the M&P 9mm? Should I clean the pre-fired casings before reloading, and if so, with what?


OK OK! I know that was a lot of questions, and I apologize, but when it comes to fire arms (as with most other things), I like to be well informed. Any info you anyone can send my way would certainly be appreciated.

Thank you all in advance,
--EthanG
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:53 PM
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Hi Ethan,

Welcome to the forum. The only one of your questions I can answer has to do with the trigger. I got my MP9 in November. Yes, the trigger was very gritty. I wouldn't necessarily call it a heavy pull, just not very smooth to the feel. Shoot it and it will free-up some. I never did a lot of dry firing, just took it to the range and put about 500 rounds through it in the first month. There was a noticeable difference in the trigger just within that time frame. To date, have about 1000 rounds through it, and I barely notice the take up any more.

As far as dry firing goes, I believe people on this forum has posted that it is okay to dry fire without snap caps. Personally, I shoot it too much to really do much dry firing. When I do, I use snap caps.

Good luck!
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That's a lot of good questions!

I really like my S&Ws, and got a chance to tour the factory in Springfield last summer. Great people, working hard to make a good product.

As for a fully loaded magazine -- there might be enough room there as the spring breaks in a bit and relaxes, or if you tried another magazine. My advice is to not worry about it -- go with the one less than advertised. The top round pushes against the slide as it retracts, and it is a good thing for the stack to have the ability to move down a bit. Also, I never load a mag to the top and leave it there -- for fear of compressing the spring to the point it is wears out sooner than it should (learned in the days when we loaded 18 in a M-16 20 round magazine, and enjoyed better reliability as a result).

Older versions of the M&P (black striker) had some problems with dry firing -- roughly pre-2008 -- as the striker could break. Much less of a problem with the new (silver colored) striker. In any case, it is best to use a snap cap. You should "cock" the striker OF AN EMPTY GUN (snap cap only) by moving it back until you hear the striker catch, then let it go forward, then pull the trigger. Repeat manually, cocking the slide/striker for each trigger pull. Remember, lots of people have shot their family cat or TV thinking the gun was "empty." Always aim at something safe...

The trigger does get smoother in time -- probably noticeable after a couple of hundred rounds (or dry fires) and getting better as you go along.

The Apex DCAEK gets good reviews. If you want to keep the trigger pull fairly heavy, for safety reasons, you can add just the USB kit, which makes the trigger smoother and a little lighter. For a 9c, a carry gun, you may not want the 4-5 lbs trigger that results from installing the whole Apex kit (sear, spring, USB, etc.). The neat thing about the kits is that you can install them and change back if you don't like the results.

If you have a problem with your S&W, call the factory and they will send you a mailing label to ship it to them (guns have to go UPS overnight). I don't know if the factory would let you just walk in with a gun -- they have a lot of security at the gate -- so I would call ahead if you want to take your 9c there directly.

The Burwell sear mod reportedly works pretty well but you are right, it takes some smithing skills and the Apex kits are easier to do yourself. All you need is a 1/8 inch punch from Home Depot...

Reloading. I reload .40 S&W. I may re-load 9mm later (I am saving all of the 9mm brass I can find) but in general, reloading 9mm is not a big cost saver if you can find ammo for $10 a box. Best advice is to get a good re-loading manual (Speer, for example) and the ABC's of Reloading. I use both Accurate #5 and Unique, and follow the loads (min to max) from the Speer manual and the company reloading charts.

You can find reloading equipment of all types on web sites from Midway, Cabelas, Mid-South, Graf and Son, etc. Everybody has a favorite vendor for bullets, dies, etc. Some practical advice: it is fine to buy equipment on the web, but you can save the $25 UPS HAZMAT fee if you buy powder and primers from a brick-and-mortar store near where you live.

Whew, Ethan, you have a lot of questions. There are some possible answers to some of them. Welcome to M&P ownership and to shooting!
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hey Ethan

congrats on the new pistola.

i can only get 11 into my MP9c 12 round mags, however i can get 17 into my 17 round mags

i'm a big fan of the DCAEK from Apex. the kit includes a stronger (MA spec) sear plunger spring. i guess all you MA folks have very strong trigger fingers and your state government is just trying to protect you from yourselves

as for CCW; if you use a good holster that covers the trigger, you really don't need another safety on this weapon IMO. i carry the MP9c every day.
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I have the M&P45, it advertises 10+1. I have to be a bit firm when I re-insert 2 of my 4 mags when I +1. Most of the time I leave it at 9 with one in the chamber, maybe that extends the spring life. I carry a spare mag anyway.
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If you use an Uplula loader, you'll be able to top off the magazine, as they are tight.
Also, you can lightly trim off some of the skirt on the magazine follower to allow magazine topoff. I did both.
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Welcome to the S&W club. You have had some great answers so far. I will add my little bit as well.
1) New magazines will be stiff. If you want the last round to fit, especially when they cut them off at 10 you will have to break in the spings by loading and unloading the magazine (can be done by hand but it is easier and much more enjoyable when done at the range). Then, once you can get the 10th round in, leave it in over a weekend and then repeat the loading/unloading procedure.
On your carrying with one in the chamber question, do what you feel comfortable and safe with. However, I would suggest you get some training so that you feel safe with carrying one in the chamber. A semi-auto without a round in the chamber is basically a hammer.

2) The trigger will break in with time and shooting. I wouldn't worry about a modification untill you learn whether you will like the broken in trigger or not.

3) Reloading 9mm isn't as cost efficient as most of the other calibers, but if you buy your supplies in bulk you will still save money. I find reloading to be an enjoyable thing to do after dinner while watching tv. It also allows you to customize a load to the kind of shooting you desire to do. It also allows you to beat any ammo runs, like happened after Obama was elected.
Give yourself some time to get used to shooting your M&P (so you know what kind of loads you want to develop). Then, if you haven't already learned to reload from your father, have someone help teach you and go for it.

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Old 03-11-2011, 10:53 AM
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Thank you all for your input.

I especially enjoyed this, "A semi-auto without a round in the chamber is basically a hammer."

I agree, but I also hear a lot of cops shooting themselves in the foot with their Glocks. I have been carrying mine without one in the camber, just to get more comfortable with having it on my hip. We'll see how it goes. It is a little large and cumbersome, and I have thought about finding more of a "pocket" gun to carry for every day, and use the M&P when I feel I'm going to a more sketchy part of the state; I'm not sure yet.

As for the getting a full mag, I have no real problem getting 10 rounds into the mag (its capacity), but at that point, I can't insert it into the pistol unless the slide is locked back in the "empty" position, as if I just shot through a full mag. I can only insert a mag into the pistol (with the slide forward) when it only has 9 in the clip, and none in the camper. I am afraid of bending some of the small pins and what not in the inner mechanism by trying to "jam" in a full clip that the gun doesn't want to take.

As for reloading, i have a book from the 70's which has a section on reloading 9mm's, but should I use this, or is it outdated information? I bought the 9mm because I knew rounds would be less expensive, but yes, I would like to save a little money on reloading, and yes, I hear it's enjoyable.

Time will tell.
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I have the M&P9c without the magazine safety and have no difficulties with loading 10+1 at all. I also have a full size mag (17 rounds) with the extender and have no difficulties loading 17+1. Maybe it has to do with your magazine safety?
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From what I've read about the MA/CA compliant Magazine Safety, it just prevents the gun from firing without a magazine in the pistol, so that the gun would be rendered useless, even as a single fire weapon with one in the chamber, if the magazine was removed and hidden.

Can that be removed, both physically, and legally? Even with it in, can I "jam" the mag into the pistol with a full 10 in the magazine, without hammering the inner mechanisms of the pistol? I didn't try to force it, but if I hear that it won't cause damage, I will try.
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You won't hurt the gun 'jamming' a full mag in it.
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Well,

To whom may be interested, I spent all day yesterday going between the 4th largest independent gun store in MA, and Bass Pro.

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Northeast Trading Company- Quallity Firearms, Training, Gunsmith, Ammunition, Accessories

I learned, the M&P is not a 10+1 pistol, it is just a 10 with one chambered, or a 9 without; end of story.

I was told that dry firing it without snap caps is not a big deal.

If you are looking to purchase this pistol, make sure not to be impulsive; look around at independent dealers/stores before purchasing, and you'll save some money. There was a $100 price difference between Bass Pro and Northeast Trading Company (see link above).

I did however get $60 bucks of on my Bass Pro purchase, earned a $100 gift card, and after going back a week after purchasing the pistol, and talking to the manager of the hunting department, Derek, about their price match guarantee, he told me that they don't compete with private parties, but still gave me a $50 gift card as a supplement. So, all and all, I made out with $200 bucks worth of "free" shwag.

Now, I'm off to reload 500+ rounds. I'll see you all in a week or so.
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If it's like my MP40 Pro the more you shoot it the better the trigger gets.
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Gosh! I love newbees. I have been shooting over 60 years now and love to hear people who are interested in shooting and reloading. Much of the advise is right on but there are some who remind me of the blind leading the blind. Keep learing and don't depend on the guy at the LGS. Sort of reminds me of what happened to Sears years ago. I used to buy a lot of sears tools and asa young man knew the old guy there could tell it straiht because he used one. then one day he was retired and replaced by a teenaged girl whose reply to my question was, "What's that?" Now I am one of the old guys.There are a l9t of us and we pretty enerally knowthe truth even if we are a bit set in our ways. 1911 anyone?
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Haha, thanks Wrangler. I have respect for knowledge, but sadly, my generation doesn't seem to have much of it.

I have shot the 1911 and loved it, but I went with the 9mm M&P for various reasons. The 1911 is still on my "wish list" of guns to own, but now is not the time. As I grow and age, so will my collection.

Take care, sir.

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Great Read guys..
Haha, thanks Wrangler. I have respect for knowledge, but sadly, my generation doesn't seem to have much of it.

I can believe how most of my generation acts. And some of the kids i see running around man, Can you Say grab a paddle and beat the **** out of them, I just hope my kids grow up half as respectful as I .. am. Im 33 this year my oldest is 15 my youngest is 8 I have 6 and they act pretty good compared to some i have seen. but they still have a little of this the world ows me somthing in them.. )
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I'm 26 myself, but was raised well and learned respect, and appreciation for knowledge. I got slapped around here and there as a kid, but most times I deserved it.

The younger generation's largest exposure to society is television, which usually displays a very poor side of it. I'm glad I was kept busy with more productive activities as a kid.

Good luck with your 15 year old! haha. Tough times.
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From what I've read about the MA/CA compliant Magazine Safety, it just prevents the gun from firing without a magazine in the pistol, so that the gun would be rendered useless, even as a single fire weapon with one in the chamber, if the magazine was removed and hidden.

Can that be removed, both physically, and legally? Even with it in, can I "jam" the mag into the pistol with a full 10 in the magazine, without hammering the inner mechanisms of the pistol? I didn't try to force it, but if I hear that it won't cause damage, I will try.
Hey, I am in MA too - Hi! Anyways, my m+p 9mm clearly states that it WILL fire without the magazine in it. I think the versions that do NOT fire with the mag in are for CA/NY.

I also have difficulty loading 10 rds. into a mag, even with the maglula speed loader. I have about 5-600 rounds through mine.
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Howdy, Jabbit.

I was told that the only way to carry 10 rounds, is to have one in the chamber (slide back - insert fully loaded 10 round clip - slide forward).

I do have all the MA compliant do-hickies, and then some, I guess - the mag safety. I don't really mind having the mag safety though. Any time I am looking to fire the gun, I will have the mag in for sure. I did watch a video about how to remove it, but I don't care to go through that.

My 9mm has about 300 rounds though it, and it hasn't malfunctioned once (that wasn't my fault - had a reload with no powder in it, causing a bullet to get lodged in the barrel).

How do you like the trigger, is it softening up for you? When I first started shooting mine, I was hating on the trigger, but it has grown on me. I did however order an Apex kit, and am looking to install that when it arrives.
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I was told that the only way to carry 10 rounds, is to have one in the chamber (slide back - insert fully loaded 10 round clip - slide forward).

I do have all the MA compliant do-hickies, and then some, I guess - the mag safety. I don't really mind having the mag safety though. Any time I am looking to fire the gun, I will have the mag in for sure. I did watch a video about how to remove it, but I don't care to go through that.

My 9mm has about 300 rounds though it, and it hasn't malfunctioned once (that wasn't my fault - had a reload with no powder in it, causing a bullet to get lodged in the barrel).

How do you like the trigger, is it softening up for you? When I first started shooting mine, I was hating on the trigger, but it has grown on me. I did however order an Apex kit, and am looking to install that when it arrives.

Howdy!

I have been able to load 1 in the chamber, close the slide, then insert a full 10rd mag. However, I don't like how it feels when I do it. The mag clips in, and it works, I just feel like I have to put too much pressure on the mag to get it in.

To me, it seems as if they made the 10rd mags a hair too short. If they had given you a little more room, then 10+1 wouldn't be an issue.

I like my trigger so far. You will have to let me know what you think of the Apex kit. I have heard good things, but I haven't done anything about it yet.

Just out of curiousity, how do you get the bullet out of the barrel? I have some reloads that I have yet to shoot, and I suppose there could be a chance I have some duds that are similar. Never encountered it before though.
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Jabbit,

I am not a fan of forcing things I paid too much money for. I was told by some gun dealers (who own the M&P 9mm), that it is strictly a 10 round pistol, and I am not going to force it to be otherwise. Just saying... You may do as you please. If it works for you, it works.

I brought my barrel to a local gunsmith, who had a brass rod and slammed away at the lead with the rod and a hammer. I have been told to go online and find a brass rod, similar in diameter to my barrel, but I have yet to do so.

I broke down all those bullets in question with a bullet puller hammer. very good buy. I have since reloaded to higher tolerances, and haven't had a problem out of the last 150 rounds.

I will let you know about the new trigger, one it is in place and I shoot it a bit. If this trigger is to be a lot lighter than the stock trigger, I will be in need of a better holster, to prevent accidental discharge - either plastic or leather..
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Thank you all for your input.

I especially enjoyed this, "A semi-auto without a round in the chamber is basically a hammer."

I agree, but I also hear a lot of cops shooting themselves in the foot with their Glocks. I have been carrying mine without one in the camber, just to get more comfortable with having it on my hip. We'll see how it goes. It is a little large and cumbersome, and I have thought about finding more of a "pocket" gun to carry for every day, and use the M&P when I feel I'm going to a more sketchy part of the state; I'm not sure yet.

Time will tell.
A couple of things. Cops as a rule are not gun people. Some are, most are not. If they shoot themselves in the foot it is due to poor weapon handling, not having a round in the chamber. Keep your finger off the trigger and the weapon will not go off.

A smaller weapon you carry all the time beats a bigger weapon you leave at home. Find something your comfortable carrying all the time and practice with it. When I first started carrying a concealed weapon it was a full size 4506 and I dressed to conceal it. Now I carry a Glock 27 and a snubby 38 because of department mandates, but I do it all the time.

You likely change weapons and will change holsters and methods until you find what works for you. Whatever you carry practice with it till your comfortable and carry it all the time.

I tell people if I knew when I was going to get a flat tire I would only put the spare in the car that day, but since I don't I carry one everyday.
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I am not a fan of forcing things I paid too much money for. I was told by some gun dealers (who own the M&P 9mm), that it is strictly a 10 round pistol, and I am not going to force it to be otherwise. Just saying... You may do as you please. If it works for you, it works.
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In case you haven't discovered this yet, most gun salesmen are gun SALESMEN, not GUN salesmen. Half of them couldn't find their own ******* with both hands, a flashlight, and a ****ing map. Listen to them, smile, nod, and then do your own research.

Your gun is designed to hold 10+1. Everyone I see shooting an M&P is running them 10+1. I've put several thousand rounds through my M&Ps with 10+1. If you want to get it straight from the horse's mouth, you can call S&W at 1-800-331-0852 and they'll confirm that you can run 10+1 (even with the castrated MA mags) without damaging the gun.

I know of several competition shooters that have filed down the BOTTOM of the follower in their M&P mags to make tac reloads easier. Personally I haven't bothered.

It sounds like most of your original questions have been answered, though I want to point out that in order for a civilian to legally have a magazine in MA that holds 11 or more rounds, the magazine needs to have been made before September 13 1994, not 1999 (in addition to you having a LTC-B for rifle mags or a LTC-A for pistol mags).

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I am not a fan of forcing things I paid too much money for. I was told by some gun dealers (who own the M&P 9mm), that it is strictly a 10 round pistol, and I am not going to force it to be otherwise. Just saying... You may do as you please. If it works for you, it works.

Yeah I am right there with you...I guess my post wasn't too clear. I CAN do it, I just don't do it (for the exact reason you mentioned). I don't want to break one of my expensive toys. I don't carry this gun anyways.
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Ethang,

A) Sorry, I meant no disrespect to law enforcement. I have since become comfortable with my weapon and carry it with one in the chamber. I just did a trigger job on it, and I am looking for a more stable holster; the one I have now is nylon type material, and things can push against it and what not. It is still highly unlikely that something will dig into me hard enough to go through the holster and engage the trigger, but I will be satisfied when I have a proper holster.

B) My name is Ethan, and my last name starts with G.

Iram, the person that told me it is strictly a 10 rounds weapon was working a shop, and I was talking to him after I had bought my M&P, and he had said he has the same one, which is, "Strictly a 10 round gun." I will still hit up S&W when I have the spare time.

Also, I'm aware of the MA 10+ mag law, thank you. But, that is just for the magazine, no? One in the chamber doesn't constitute an infringement on that because the magazine still only holds 10 rounds, right?

Jabbit, I did 70% of the Apex kit install last night and it went very smoothly. I took my time and didn't get frustrated, and checked the video instructions frequently as I went along. It is rather hard to get the retainer pins back into place; I was afraid they weren't aligned well and I didn't want to smash away at them. After a lot of gental tapping, and nothing happening, I gave them a few good blows with the hammer/punch, and the inched into place.

Here is the video tutorial:
YouTube - apextactical's Channel

The only reason I didn't finish the instal, was because I didn't have the right hex driver to loosen the rear sights and get at the USB. Also, keep in mind that the kit comes with two springs for the Sear plunger. The larger one is MA compliant, and the smaller is for other M&P models.

I plan on finishing it up tonight, and going to the range. Even without completeing it, the trigger pull has been greatly reduced (about half), and things are nice and smooth.

I'll keep you posted.
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A) Sorry, I meant no disrespect to law enforcement.

B) My name is Ethan, and my last name starts with G

I'll keep you posted.
Non taken. I know many officers I wouldn't trust with a sharp eating utensil let alone a loaded weapon.

And I kinda gathered that about your user name. That is how I came up with mine...

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I know many officers I wouldn't trust with a sharp eating utensil let alone a loaded weapon.
Ha! Yeah. I bring friends shooting once in a while, and there are some I don't bring a second time, for sure.

As for your name, are you French? Does your last name end in "ette"? I'm just a little curious.


Jabbit, an update on that USB installation. I found the right wrench for my M&P sight, it turned out to be a 1.5 millimeter hex wrench!!! NOT a 1/6th! Anyway, I didn't have to hit the rear sight with a hammer or anything; once the screw was loose, it just slid around nice and easy.

I shot last night without having the USB installed, but all other mods of the Apex kit seemed to still help. My grouping was more centered and starting to come along quite nice. We'll see how it is when I shoot next time, with the full kit installed, and enough ammo to start sighting everything in solid.

I did however shoot my father's brand new Ruger SRC9mm, and it was solid right out of the box! Very nice sights, and very nice grouping. I almost kicked myself in the *** for buying the M&P, but I'm not going to give up on it so quick.
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As for your name, are you French? Does your last name end in "ette"? I'm just a little curious.
Normally my last name seems to end in "...hole", at least thats the way my wife pronounces it....
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Hahahahaha. I am free of that problem, no ball and chain yet.
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I would check with s&w service dept about the mag not fitting in your gun when fully loaded my wifes 40c works just fine , maybe you have the wrong mags.
As for carrying a gun with one in the pipe. It is a must for ccw.and you know that.
You have spent the $ for a great gun but it dose not stop there, you must invest time to handle this weapon with confidence.
THIS IS NOT A GAME, IT IS SELF PROTECTION, POSSIBLE LIFE OR DEATH.
Find a good holster that protects the trigger and train, train , train
Hitting a target is at the range is 20% of ccw, figure out the other 80% it does not come overnight
Good luck and be careful
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Thank you, Jerry.

Yes, I take it seriously. Which is why I have invested so much time here at the forums, and at the range (going again tonight). I ordered a nice IWB holster, but it won't be here for a few weeks, which gives me time to slim down to have it fight right, haha. I am also running low on ammo, but have more coming in the mail =)

As for the 10+1, I e-mailed S&W about it yesterday and am awaiting their reply.
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To me, it seems as if they made the 10rd mags a hair too short. If they had given you a little more room, then 10+1 wouldn't be an issue.
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As for the 10+1, I e-mailed S&W about it yesterday and am awaiting their reply.
The legal requiremnt for a 10-round magazine when the natural capacity is larger causes an engineering nightmare.
If you think the S&W mags are hard, try the Brn HP 10 rounders!

The manufacturers have to ensure that no matter how hard you try you can't get 11 in and violate the arbitrary law. So they can't give you extra room.

Combine this with the fact that you must compress the ammo another 1/2 cartridge to seat a mag with a closed slide, and you have to push really hard! You can tell if the magazine was not fully seated, because the mag falls out at the first shot, which is highly amusing at the range to everyone but the shooter.

So save your breath about complaining to the manufacturere that the dictated 10 rounders are hard to load full; they know that all too well. And they also know that if they make them longer, your government will be on their neck. Write your lawmakers and tell them they need to stay out of firearms design and get the streets fixed!

Happiness is a full-capacity magazine......
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Happiness is a full-capacity magazine......

Hahah, AMEN!
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I don't believe that anyone has touched the part of your questions regarding Massachusetts Law. Specifically regarding High Capacity Magazines.

In order to possess a high capacity magazine, which is a magazine that holds more than 10 pistol rounds, 10 rifle rounds, or 5 shotgun rounds, it must have been manufactured before 9/13/1994. Your class-A LTC gives you the ability to possess these magazines and conceal carry legally.

The date you are referring to (1999) corresponds to the Pistol Compliance List which is basically as follows. In order to purchase a Glock, or a firearm that does not fall onto the Massachusett's Compliance list (or the AG's "list" which is rumored to exist) is must have been IN the state of Massachusetts and manufactured before 10/21/98. This only applies to Dealer transactions and does not apply to people who are moving to Massachusetts or private sales.

Also, in Massachusetts it is possible to own a firearm capable of firing without the magazine inserted into it. The M&P series is an example of one such firearm. If you look, yours should have a warning right on the slide that states it is capable of firing without a magazine inserted.

Here's a link to a forum in which I originally learned the laws of our cruel state. Massachusetts Laws
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I don't believe that anyone has touched the part of your questions regarding Massachusetts Law. Specifically regarding High Capacity Magazines.

In order to possess a high capacity magazine, which is a magazine that holds more than 10 pistol rounds, 10 rifle rounds, or 5 shotgun rounds, it must have been manufactured before 9/13/1994. Your class-A LTC gives you the ability to possess these magazines and conceal carry legally.

The date you are referring to (1999) corresponds to the Pistol Compliance List which is basically as follows. In order to purchase a Glock, or a firearm that does not fall onto the Massachusett's Compliance list (or the AG's "list" which is rumored to exist) is must have been IN the state of Massachusetts and manufactured before 10/21/98. This only applies to Dealer transactions and does not apply to people who are moving to Massachusetts or private sales.

Also, in Massachusetts it is possible to own a firearm capable of firing without the magazine inserted into it. The M&P series is an example of one such firearm. If you look, yours should have a warning right on the slide that states it is capable of firing without a magazine inserted.

Here's a link to a forum in which I originally learned the laws of our cruel state. Massachusetts Laws

Thanks for the info. Honestly, the mag law is the one I'm most familiar with... As for the mag safety, my M&P does have a mag safety, but I'm not worried about having it in. I don't see myself ever needing to fire one without a mag in.

I thank you for the link to the forum on the MA laws. I will review this.
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Hey all,

I am new to the forum and had a question I cannot find the answer to in other forums. I am a new pistol owner (been shooting rifles and shotguns for years). I own an M&P 9 Full Size and recently started shooting USPSA. I am looking to turn my M&P into a Limited 10 gun and need advice on how best to extend the Ma compliant mags so I can make them long enough to add a magwell to the butt of the gun. I am not trying to break the rules and add round capacity, just to extend the length of these annoying 10 round mags so I can have a competitive advantage with the magwell when reloading. Thanks in advance!
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Thanks for the info. Honestly, the mag law is the one I'm most familiar with... As for the mag safety, my M&P does have a mag safety, but I'm not worried about having it in. I don't see myself ever needing to fire one without a mag in.

I thank you for the link to the forum on the MA laws. I will review this.
Benefits of a mag safety include keeping the mag separate from the firearm so children/angry or depressed adults, etc. can't fire the weapon. Another is (think LEO) the ability to drop your mag if someone was trying to wrestle your gun away from you preventing you from getting shot with your own gun.
That being said, the only firearm I own with a mag safety is my Hi-Power. I've kept it stock other than putting a set of Spegel grips on it.
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I have the Curved Aluminum Apex kit with the 5lb trigger spring installed on my 9c. It makes the gun and trigger pull feel perfect, way smoother pull, less travel, more solid feeling reset, and it looks fantastic.

I have about 250 rounds through mine with the 5lb spring and I use it as my EDC gun, I am not worried at all about the lighter pull weight.

If you end up with the flat faced trigger, it brings the trigger pull weight down 1lb. Because the trigger is flat, and slight farther from your hand, it creates more leverage making it easier to pull. (I spoke with Apex on the phone before ordering).

So stick with the curved aluminum or polymer trigger enhancement kit.

It is worth its weight in gold.

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Here is My EDC with the "blue line series" aluminum trigger kit.

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does anyone know about double stamped 15-3 and model 67 on the same pistol?
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Reloading: I'm a new M&P 9 owner (since I live in a free state I can pack it every day) but 40 years reloading experience.

Dies I recommend from RCBS or Redding. Get a 4-die set, i.e. buy two seating/crimping dies. First die sizes and decaps. Second die expands and flares. Adjust the third die so it seats only. Adjust the fourth die so it taper-crimps only.
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"....Reloading. I reload .40 S&W. I may re-load 9mm later (I am saving all of the 9mm brass I can find) but in general, reloading 9mm is not a big cost saver if you can find ammo for $10 a box..."

Other than .22LR, 9mm is often the cheapest round to buy. If you factor your time and expense per round fired, the only plus I can see to load 9mm is personal gratification. Certainly not a real money saver, having to load thousands of rounds to recoup your investment. My time is worth more than .10 an hour!! Loading for long range or target makes more sense...JMHO
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