Someone got me thinking about a 45ACP and now my mind is wondering ... 1911 or M&P45 ? You guys are cruel !!!! But I succumb to such cruelty with pleasure.

Why 1911?

1. God-given trigger
2. History in your hands
3. Solid steel and I can probably pass it on to my kids and grandkids
4. Same or better reliability than state-of-the-art M&P45 ??? Not sure.
5. Beautiful gun

Why M&P45?

1. Highly reliable, may be higher than a lower end same price 1911, out of the box
2. Lower cost than a decent 1911
3. state-of-the-art technologies in your hand
4. Lighter
5. Better grip
6. Not picky about ammo
7. Better recoil management

Re:

>>> Usually recommending a Philippine 1911 will get you flamed<<<

Well, some guys still feel that Philippines made guns often have softer metal than most other nation's guns and I can't argue yay or nay there. But I have spent quite a bit of time over there and while most of their guns are copies, most are actually pretty decent stuff.

That Rock Island 1911 45 ACP looked decent--trigger felt OK to me--the real wood grips were too smooth and felt more like plastic though, but for about $360--whadya want? Yea, some are sub par guns are built there--and most of them stay there as they export the better stuff. You can find lack luster stuff anywhere--you can buy Hi-Point **** that is made in ole Ohio, USA.

There was a time when a Filipino gun's metal was only as good as the leaf springs they melted down to make it, but there are enterprising gunsmiths there today who can make you a completely orginal, fine custom gun, based soley on your instructions. You want the upcoming 14 round, Star Wars looking Kel Tec 12 gauge (The KSG) shotgun now? --They can make you one.

Have you lads had a look at the '2011' named and stamped models (many with w/ double stack magazines) of the venerable old 1911?

Married a Filipina, mail order bride--only hard part was getting her in that Manila envelope.....