Hello all and forgive me if this question has been asked and answered before but as a new M&P .40 owner as yet unfired I had never heard of an apex trigger and wanted to know more about it and do they install this system or only sell the parts...I'm no gunsmith so I wouldn't feel comfortable digging into the bottom end of the pistol and would rather let someone that knows what they are doing do the work if I decide to do this... I don't want anything so hair trigger like on a pisol with no safety...I think thats how people with Glocks have AD problems due to their very light triggers...I only have one other striker pistol a Kahr PM40 but it has a very long almost revolver like trigger pull which is very different from the M&P which has a pretty good trigger to me as is so it might be best to leave it alone but I would appreciate some other more informed opinions....As always, thank you all...

I believe Apex does or did do the installs on their kits. Suggest you give them a call for the latest info..

Apex has good videos of the procedure. A small punch and maybe a needlenose pliers should do the job. The hard sear brings you down to 4 or 5 lbs pull. Visit their web site.

I have to disagree about the video's helpfulness, at least for a new owner.

The video assumes you know how to pull the sear block, and jumps into the demo with the block already removed. I had to have a friend show me how to do that; wasn't all that hard, but it was NOT covered in the video.

Installation of kits in two M&P's took my friend (with such assistance as I could give) around 40-45 minutes.

I recommend the kits, but would also recommend getting somebody who knows how to do it to show you how it's done.

just checked the apex tactical web site. it appears the cost w/b $150. plus shipping for the dcaek with their installation. if you buy the kit and install it yourself it's about $90.. I did my own installation and didn't find it overly difficult.

Why don't you shoot the gun first before you start redesigning it?
Not everybody finds it necessary to put a light trigger in an M&P for matches, and for carry many consider the stock trigger weight desirable.
You can always decide later after you get used to the gun and see how well you shoot it.

By the way, I had a fun day at the practice range today with my 4.25" barrel M&P 9 Pro, including head shot drills at 10 yds. Doing "6 reload 6" I was putting 11 or 12 in the head, with an occassional shot dropping down into the neck (called a follow-through error on my part).
The M&Ps are more accurate than most shooters.

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I own 4 MP's, all have some form of Apex kit in them. I just installed the trigger kit in my 40fs, it's very nice. The trigger has virtually no travel for takeup, then it's bang. I carried it daily for a week, played with it alot, showed it to friends, shot 100 rounds through it before I decided I didn't want to carry it without some kind of safety. What I'm trying to say is we basically remove the built in safety of the long trigger pull for a carry weapon when we install the trigger kit. My 40fs is going to be a mainly range gun and my 40c with the DCAEK is my daily carry. I feel better with the longer take up before contact and a little heavier feel to the original trigger with my daily carry 40c.

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if you can hit with a Kahr trigger, you're going to be OK with the stock M&P trigger

i carry a K9 often but i also shoot 1911's a lot, so i like the Apex parts in my M&P's. i think you should shoot it for a while and then make your decision.

The DCAEK doesn't lighten the trigger so much as smooth it. DC is Duty Carry.

The competition kit lightens the trigger.

on a Ma compliant gun, the dcaek will take the trigger pull down from about 10 lbs to about 5.5 lbs and make it a very different gun.

I have to agree wholeheartedly with OKFCO5! None of my M&P's have a kit in them, they got an action job one round at a time. Take the money that you would spend on a kit and get more ammo and shoot your gun. You will be amazed at what happens. Your gun gets dramatically better and usually you get better as well.
Randy

My guns are all Ma compliant, my DCAEK kits are around 7lbs. Did you actually measure yours with a tool or it feels like 5lbs? My 40fs I installed the trigger kit into has about a 4-4.5lbs pull.

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Obviously, you never shot a Ma compliant M&P..

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I have not actually measured. I'm estimating it's around 5.5 lbs.. I think I recall Apex saying it would be around 6 lbs.. It's dramatically better with the Apex kit in a Ma compliant gun.

Where to start? Take it to the range and run a 1000rds through it. Seems we live in a world where somehow a person with a weapon with no experience decides they need to modify before even trying it in its stock form. I got a novel idea...actually shoot it then you can have some appreciation/knowledge of what you want to change and why.

Seems like the problem here is the MA compliant guns. Maybe it's the MA laws that make a 10 lb trigger necessary that is the problem.

I have Six M&P's, a FS9, two 9c's, two FS .40's, and the new .22. All of them, when new, had some grit to the triggers but after a few hundred rounds, they have broke in and are slick as glass.

I suggest that anyone that has a new pistol with a gritty trigger, go shoot the thing and leave it dirty for the first 1000 rounds. Let the thing break in, then clean it, lube it and after that let's talk about the trigger.

If you shoot 10 rounds and then clean it, it will take years to break in correctly.

M&P's are meant to be used, not stored. These are duty pistols that are meant to be shot, qualified with, trained with, used regularly. I shoot regularly and go through a few thousand rounds a year. I suggest that we all spend some time and ammo breaking in the guns before spending an additional 25% of the purchase price for a new trigger.

These are duty guns, not 1MOA target pistols meant to be shot at 100 yards or anything. If you want that weapon, you bought the wrong weapon.

On the other hand, my smith put my Apex comp kit in before I picked up the gun.

Randy's DCAEK videos cover the sear block.

I want to thank everyone for their posts in regards to my question....For now I'm going to take the advise to leave it alone and shoot it until it breaks in real good and probably leave it as is and enjoy a great gun...I really think after dry firing it several hundred times that the trigger is not bad at all and I don't think it will affect my being able to hit the target one bit and without a safety I really don't want too light a trigger...This gun has spoiled me...I sent my full size 4506 back to S&W to fix a broken trigger return spring and to do a duty action job to its trigger and just got it back this week...The trigger doesn't feel any lighter but is smoother but the thing must have put on a few pounds back at the factory because now when I pick it up I feel like I'm lifting weights compared to the M&P...Thanks everyone again for informing me anout the Apex trigger and I now have an idea what it is and what it can do if I ever want to go with that option....

What? What does maintaining a clean firearm have anything to do with the trigger breaking in?

I've put 500 rounds through my M&P. The trigger is fine without the trigger job and I clean it after each trip to the range.

Just a question, by putting a trigger job in your M&P you are giving up your lifetime warranty. That doesn't bother anyone. I would rather send it back it back to S&W so I will not give that up. Any feelings about this? The price is about the same and you keep the warranty, why would you not go in this direction, is their trigger job not as good? Any help would be appreciated.
Best, Frank.

You are not giving up your warranty by installing Apex parts. If you had to send the gun back for warranty, reinstall the OEM parts. This is no big deal. Very simple gun to work with.

As for shooting a 1,000 rounds to get it broke in.. where I come from, a $75.00 Apex kit is a whole lot cheaper than the cost of a 1,000 rounds of ammo... but go ahead, whatever works for you. I personally prefer my gun to function pretty quickly the way I want it to.

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turbo38,
No MA compliant guns here in Montana! We still use Single Action Colts out here..as well as the tupperware guns.
Randy

+1 on that. Function first!

Has anyone ever had the trigger done by S&W? They are a short drive from my house so it would be easy for me to go there. Also, their pricing is not out of line with the better kits. Any feed back would be appreciated.
Best, Frank.

Exactly. Just like a car; set it up the way you want it and enjoy it from day one.

Pretty interested in this thread as i have another one about not hitting target at all at 50', all low and to the right.

this is using a compliant gun. suggestions were that not using pad of finger, but rather joint, causing it to pull down and right.

using pad of finger on compliant trigger for more than a few consecutive rounds is not very easy. so i am very interested in how this apex or other brand would do.

They do install trigger upgrades.
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Competition kit does make the trigger smooth and light.

But, the pre-travel and over-travel are still there. There's not much magic you can do here unless you install their new FSS. Even with that, please do not expect a 1911 trigger.

You must not have changed the trigger return spring. When I put the apex sear in my 9c the trigger dropped from the MA 10lbs to 7 lbs. I then put in a free state trigger return spring and my pull dropped to 5.1lbs. I did measure it each time several times to make sure it was accurate.

It makes a big difference going from 10lbs to 5lbs. It sound more like recoil anticipation if your dropping shots that much.

Remember a good gunsmith can get the same results as the apex trigger kits.

Nope, I like it at 7, it's very smooth, and easy to shoot. I have no problem putting a big hole in the middle of the target at 21ft.. I feel 7lbs is as far as I want to go for a carry gun with no other means of a safety. I just installed the FSS trigger kit into my 40fs and it's under 5lbs. After carrying it for a week, I I decided I didn't feel comfortable without any kind of safety. It'll be myrange gun for now.

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