Hey all,

I just traded a Glock 19 in for the M&P9 full size. It's my new every day carry gun. I used a Crossbreed Supertuck holster for my Glock, and the guy at cabelas was telling me he doesn't even use a holster for his m&p anymore and it conceals just as well. My question is, does anyone have experience in doing this? And will the sweat cause any harm to the gun?

On a side note, are there any tips or accessories that anyone would recommend for this gun? Did I make the right choice in swapping the Glock 19?

Welcome to the forum from another new guy to the forum.

1. Never take practical advice from someone at Cabelas, especially when it relates to firearms and the carrying of them.

2. Always carry in a holster. With the plethora of quality holsters out there, sticking a gun in your waistband ala mexican carry is ridiculous.

3. Only you can be the judge whether or not trading the Glock 19 was a good move or not. I still love Glocks, still own one, but I consider the M&P to be equal in every aspect of the Glock, with the determining factor of which is better being based upon personal preferences.

You made an excellent choice on the swap!

As for a holster, I wouldn't carry w/o one just for safety's sake, though I'm not sure it would react well in a hot/sweaty situation. Just my $0.02

I personally use a Remora no-clip holster tucked inside the waste band at about 4:30 and haven't had any problems. I have a tuckable holster on the way, but the Remora has been great.

Haha, I didn't take advice from the cabelas customer service or anything. He's actually a Boise CCW/Competition instructor. So I listened to what he had to say, and it was his opinion and what he does. I have to admit that I tried it for a couple hours and didn't notice much of a difference wearing it in waistband like I did my glock in a holster. It was secure and concealed, it wasn't going anywhere.

However, I know that in my mind and experience a holster sounds better.

I will probably still pick up another Glock, in fact, I have considered buying back the one I just sold.

Thanks a ton for the replies guys. I appreciate all of the info!

I would encourage everyone to use a properly fit holster for carry of any type for a variety of reasons.
Like many others on this forum, I too am an active competitor and an NRA Certified Instructor as well. Don't understand the persons thinking on this issue however.......
Randy

I have to disagree, a gun shoved into your waistband may be concealed, but it certainly isn't secure.

Mexican carry provides more cons than pros so here goes:

Pros:

Its free, no money spent on holsters.

Its *slightly* more concealable, keyword being slightly, and it looks cool in the movies and tv.

Cons:
More handling of the firearm when in public, going to the restroom, trying on pants etc.

Creates the possibility of taking the gun off in a restroom/dressing room and leaving it there by accident.(Of which I know of more than one occasion where someone did just that)

No trigger coverage, which makes one more inclined to carry the gun chamber empty, which is a practice I can't buy into.

If you happen to take an *** over tea kettle fall in public, what happens to the firearm, does it stay put, or does it go sliding across the floor of the grocery store causing you to frantically pick it up and stick it back in your pants?(something I've seen happen which led to a MWAG 911 call by a "concerned citizen")

I usually don't fervently denounce something that is personal choice, but carrying a gun with no holster is one of them. Carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, and you owe it to yourself to do so in a secure manner. For the record, I am also not a big fan of one size fits most, poorly fitting generic holsters either, clip draws, and other poorly thought out carry methods.

YMMV, carry how you wish. Have a safe day.

As far as carrying without a holster, he does so with a gun belt. So as far as secure, it fits tight against your body. I can't say that the print it leaves in your skin afterwards is going to be comfortable.

I never considered carrying without a holster, I placed an order for another crossbreed yesterday. I was more interested in whether or not anyone else did this, and how the sweat effected the gun itself.

Again, I appreciate the replies, extra info is always nice.

As far as sweat goes, I can't see it affecting the finish unless you never wiped it off.

I traded a G19 v4 for a S&W MP9 and have never looked back. I have owned 7 Glocks over the years and have liked them all but was never able to love any of them. I like my MP much better than the G19 it replaced and will probably pick up an MP45 before too long. I am happy to say that MP has liberated me from the Glocks once and for all I think.

My MP9 fits perfectly in my Galco L719 WCD holster which is designed to fit my SigPro 9.

Mike

I appear to be in the minority cause I frequently carry in my waist band. I'm an old man so running foot races is out as a cause of losing retention. Going on 27 years now I have never had it dislodge so I believe in the carry method. I do make an exception if I am on the road for extenive travel, I then use an inside the waistband holster. I feel you do what is right for you. The reason they have horse races is because people like different horses.

(long suffering sigh)

I have carrying a concealed firearm since i was 18 and I am now 64. 20 years of that was as a police officer, police firearms instructor and police administrator.

Not using a holster to carrying a loaded firearm is freaking insane and there are ample anecdotal stories to prove my point.

But, why not call Cabelas corporate headquarters in Sidney, NE and speak to one of their firearm managers and asked him/her how Cabelas feels about one of their employees telling you it was okay to carry an M&P without a holster?

I am sure they will be thrilled to hear from you.

[/sarcasm]

Seriously an accidental discharge can kill you or someone else, why take the chance just to save a couple of bucks?

And I carry an M&P 9 in a supertuck everyday

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Once again I take a dissenting view. The trigger plunger on the Glock, the hinged trigger on the Sigma or M & P, the safety on the 1911, or heavery trigger pull on DA's pretty much make accidental discharges a non happening. I know anything mechanical can fail but accidental discharges more often happen because the person placed his finger on the trigger before he was pointed at the target. I refer to them as inadvertent discharges, meaning not having the mind on the matter. Proper thraining and practice are most important.

Like I said, it was something that he did and was ok in his opinion. I ordered my Supertuck yesterday, I posted this morning. I never intended to save a few bucks or carry without a holster. If it's possible that's great for whoever wants to do it. I honestly was just curious if anyone else did it, and how the sweat effected the gun if at all. ( discoloration/ nastiness).

How delicate do you need to be with an mp9? I know it's an old drawn out point for glock, but can an mp9 shoot under the same conditions?

Given the risk of having the M&P's hinged trigger snagging loose fabric and pulling the trigger rearward when being tucked into the waistband or when moving around while carrying in this fashion I can't understand why anyone would choose to carry without a holster. Serious injury or death to ones self or others could result from a ND. Holsters are cheap considering the risks carrying without one.

That's my $0.02.

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No trigger guard and it is held in place by a rod up the barrel, no thanks.

Before I would carry the M&P 9 in my waistband it would have to be the model with a thumb safety.

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Ha, I have no doubts whatsoever about Mexican Carry. No doubts that I will one day forget the gun is there and watch it drop to the floor when I undo my belt.

Has anyone ever had a weapon fall out of their holster in public? I have. Trust me its no fun picking up your newly scratched firearm off the pavement scanning for a squad of running police.

Carrying a pistol sans holster pointing toward one's crotch is a great way to blow your gun off.One poor sod had a CZ75 compact in a pocket holster,when he crouched down to pet his dog and BLAM!!!,which was the sound of a 180gr .40 S&W JHP slamming into his scrotum.

Like the DARE stickers say, just say no.

Ouch! Not a lot of fun for either person. Was this a cheap holster that your gun fell out of? I had the same thing happen with a cheapie holster, but I was in the woods when it happened. New gun got scratched up, though.

Not exactly.At the time I had a Taurus that doesn't have a serpa holster made for it, but word on 'the street' was that a modified Glock 22 Serpa holster would fit. I was determined to make the Serpa work because I already own a modular shoulder rig that accepts that holster, and the next step was a $150 Galco rig.

So that morning I bought one and lo and behold it fit and retained the gun. So I stick the PT92 in the holster, put on my jacket, and head up to a national park ( its legal to carry there in this state) when I get out of the car and at the same time my shoulder suddenly felt lighter I hear a "thudCHINK".

After thanking Jesus that the gun didn't go off, as I carried it cocked and locked hammer back, I look under the car to see the weapon right next to the rear tire. I then had to sneak it back into my jacket without anyone else in the park seeing it.

No cops called, no odd looks.The gun then tried to jump out of the holster AGAIN on a trail but being alert for a repeat fall I caught the weapon before it left the rig.

Turns out you really shouldn't stick guns in holsters not made for them, as the Glock holster I used DID retain the gun ....as long as my arm didn't touch the gun. Because the PT92 is longer than the Glock 22 the Serpa was designed for if the weapon was rocked front to back the lock would disengage on its own. I didn't know that before strapping it on, which was my error.The real Darwin moment was deciding that jamming a Taurus into a Glock holster was a good idea. Lesson learned. I returned the Serpa, spent the shekels on a proper Galco shoulder rig for the Taurus, and life has been drop-free ever since.

[QUOTE=Fivestones;136207283]Hey all,

I just traded a Glock 19 in for the M&P9 full size. It's my new every day carry gun. I used a Crossbreed Supertuck holster for my Glock, and the guy at cabelas was telling me he doesn't even use a holster for his m&p anymore and it conceals just as well. My question is, does anyone have experience in doing this? And will the sweat cause any harm to the gun?QUOTE]

I used Mexican carry for many years with my 1911s because that was very popular in my part of the country as I was growing up. I even knew LEOs who carried that way back in the old days in Texas, and every once in a while you will see it still used.

I got away from this practice when I was talking to a premier holster maker by the name of Gary Brommeland who posed the question, what if you get into a confrontation that is not a deadly force situation, and you have to fight your way out? I got to thinking how bad that would be with a loose gun in my pants.

I currently carry my 1911 in a Brommeland Max Con V, and my M&P 45C in a Comptac Minautor, and I feel very secure if I need to face any situation.

Carrying without a holster (Mexican Carry) is just not a good Idea for a lot of reasons. BTW, if anyone wonders why this type of carry is called Mexican, just take a trip to the border towns in Mexico and you will quickly see where it got its name. Those guys are still carrying those shiny 45s and 38 supers stuffed in their pants, which makes more sense for them, because every situation they face is a deadly force situation if you know what I mean. In other words, you don't want to mess with them.

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The term "accidental discharge" should really be limited to documented cases of mechanical failure.

While most ND's/UD's* are indeed caused by a digit in the wrong place, there are numerous documented cases of Austrian 'perfection' having their trigger successfully actuated by: jacket drawstrings, objects in pockets, a shirt tail that strayed into the holster, other clothing that entered the trigger guard while the pistol was being placed into position.

In the Fredericksburg case, the victim was alleged to be doing something with his seat belt at the time of the weapon discharge. The weapon was in a coat pocket.

While the M&P has a longer, heavier trigger stroke than the Glock, it certainly isn't immune to such issues.

*ND=negligent discharge/UD=unintentional discharge. Terms were developed back in the 1980's to prevent liability insurance cancellation due to an excessive rate of 'accidental discharges' at certain LE agencies.

i own both. love both..

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