I recently installed the Apex trigger kit in my M&P9. Thing shoot amazing now. It shot good before, but the new trigger is amazing.

The question I have is...will the Apex RAM make a huge difference with this trigger kit installed, or should I not worry about it? I keep reading how the RAM made a difference in the reset with the factory trigger, but I am not sure how it will effect the aftermarket trigger?

I have the RAM + DCAEK in my 9c. To be honest I can't even feel/hear the reset when I'm shooting. But it's noticeable when dry firing!

I have a APEX on order for my M&P 45 full size. Looking forward to having it installed.

I just installed the RAM tonight. I can not hear the "audible" reset when I dry fire? This may be due to the FSS and trigger kit, but I have no idea. I am gonna take it to the range tomorrow and try it out.

I've read on M4Carbine.net and MP-Pistol forums that with the FSS & Trigger the RAM is not needed as much for the "reset feel", IIRC. However, it still gives you the safety feature so probably a good choice depending on how you use your gun.

I love my FSS & Trigger. I like it better than my friends stock under 500 round SA 1911 .45, granted with aftermarket parts his can be better, but he already spent $275+ more on his including the FSS & Trigger cost.

Remember if you want S&W to offer the Apex parts, FSS... from the factory to email them. Apparently there is an email drive to try to make it happen from industry people and folks like us, well like me anyways

Noob question about the FSS and trigger job:
Does it give the M&P a hair trigger? I personally wouldn't feel too safe carrying around a gun that could go off if I sneeze too hard.

I understand having one for competition, but how is it for everyday carry?

I'm also looking at getting this trigger job for my M&P 9mm. Just wondering how much it lightens the trigger pull. Love the gun and have a good 1000 rounds though it already.

I put the Apex DCAEK on my S&W M&P9c. With the change out of the hard sear, sear spring and piston, the trigger spring and the USB, it is a new weapon. Smooth trigger, quick reset, trigger pull around 5.5lb. Not exact on the pull I have an old trigger scale.

I was thinking about the RAM. Only as I use it as my EDC and I know it is paranoia but also serves as a failsafe in the unlikely event of a Trigger Return Spring breakage, you can manually reset the trigger and continue to fire. I know it may be over kill, but Murphy is alive and well and he is a bitch. For $23.00 may just be an insurance plan. Easy to install, no GS charges. Don't know still debating.........

Might be a dumb question(so no flaming please)
Are any of you using the FSS kit in a everyday carry weapon?

I recently installed the FSS and Trigger from Apex in my M&P 9c which I carry each and every day.

It does have a manual thumb safety, though, so I feel secure knowing the safety is one and it's in my holster. *DeSantis Intruder*

Just my $.02

I don't have a safety on mine. Just trying to get a feel if I am going to put a trigger kit in this gun or not. It will mainly be a range queen as for the clothing I wear it is too big to wear concealed. But if I really like MP 40 full size and my Bodyguard 380 gives me more fits I might look into the MP9C as a everyday carry

where do i get the APPEX RAM, and how much $

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The Apex RAM kit did little for my custom 4.5 pound trigger reset. The Apex "duty carry" trigger and sear springs made the trigger reset very positive but added a pound to the pull. 5.5 pound trigger seems just fine in this pistol.

I doubt anything will produce a Glock-reset to this trigger.

-- Chuck

If you have a thumb safety model I wouldn't be hesitant in the least. My FSS still pulls at about 4-4.5lbs

Its no different than carrying a 1911 IMO

https://apextactical.com/store/produ...pg1-cid11.html

thank you for the web site info. pyper22

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in a compliant state, and not happy about trigger pull. Can you tell me what kits are available, would these be the same trigger as a non compliant state, or is the factory different than the kit?

Finally, with little gunsmith experience, is this something I can easily do, or do I need to give to a smith?

Just a personal thing but no correctly made gun will "go off" the FFS is not a hair trigger whenusing the included springs.
I actually have the comp spring kit in mine.
It's light but as long as I keep my finger off the trigger it won't discharge.
I have it in a 45 so obviously no RAM but it has a decent reset.
Randy is working on a universal RAM....
I run the RAM on my 9mms I think they are a must

I had a duty carry trigger installed on my 40c yesterday and love the lack of creep and crisper trigger pull. Mine tests at about 4lbs. I shot it today for the 1st time and MAN O' MAN IT IS GREAT. In my humble opinion S&W would do well to adopt such a trigger as the standard.

I won't flame ya on this one..... But I wouldn't use the FSS kit on a carry gun without a manual safety. I did install the FSS kit on my 40fs, it's awsome but after shooting it, realized I now have no semblance of a safety. I used my FS40 for the install because I use my 40compact for carry now or one of my other guns..

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sorry to ask a simple question.

which kit do i need for regular 9mm to reduce pull.

I don't know what the sear kit is for $40
https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid18.html

vs. the duty carry kit for 490
https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid35.html

also, i have no smithing experience except for cleaning. Is this something i can do simply myself, or should it be done by someone with lots of experience.

finally, with no saftey, is this trigger pull a problem for carry?

thanks for the advice.

The first one does reduce it, also make it smoother. The 2nd one will make the pull harder, but it will be smoother and shorter. From my reading on this and other forums. I've read a fair amount of responses from Randy, owner and R&D guy for Apex Tactical on the FSS & Trigger. The FSS kit comes with the option of being a 5.5 lbs trigger, or you can go down to 4 or 3 lbs. With the Competition kit springs you can go down to 2 lbs even, but that's another addon from the main kit.
Now I do not have a holster for my M&P9L, but I put it in my pants numerous times (unloaded of course) and drew and I don't see how it would be that dangerous. Not the same as drawing from a holster or most holsters I assume, my trigger finger was well away from the trigger. This 100% assumes you practice a lot. I do not, so I wouldn't even CC right now. My FSS & Trigger should be at the 3.0 lbs mark and I love it. For me, if I had a M&P9c or full size (really mid size at 4.25") I would consider carrying with the FSS & Trigger kit. Only if I practiced a lot in the beginning and at least a couple times a week in my home for many years to keep feeling comfortable. Since I live in the cities. For me to practice, draw and shoot with live ammo I would have to go to my LGS & R (Bills GS&R) and go in their 2nd range space for extra money (usually for police and I assume IDPA..), which I couldn't do now. IIRC it's around $80-100 to do that?
Just read this from Bills GS&R: Drawing from a holster or re-holstering firearms is prohibited unless you are a member of the following groups or agencies:
- Law Enforcement
- IDPA
- IPSC
So belonging to the handgun shooting sports does have it's advantages. Always wanted to see one of these, well outside anyways.

It also comes down to the clothing that you have. Since you asked the question, I assume you're already covered by this, so this is for others that aren't carrying right now. I've watched videos like Magpul Dynamics - The Art of the Dynamic Handgun among a few others. If you practice enough and have the right clothes for the job then the FSS shouldn't be a problem. Any clothing setup that works for the Glock or similar should work just great for the regular M&P and one with a FSS and trigger. The new trigger in the FSS kit does have a better safety in the middle of the trigger than the original M&P. But can't remember how much better, or if it's more Glock like, I thought the original already was though.
Now if people are used to manual safety's like 1911's then it probably would make more sense to have the M&P with one with the FSS & Trigger. However if you've never carried a 1911 recently or anything similar then I wouldn't worry about a manual safety. You can learn the right way to do it with practice, or so I've read at other places from people using the FSS & Trigger in their CCW.

I've gone to the range once a month the last two months and very comfortable around guns (been using for little over 20 years, handguns 11 years), however when it comes to a holster and CCW (no permit yet, but took a class 10-12 years ago), I am not at all comfortable at this point. It wouldn't take me long at all to feel comfortable though, assuming I have the right setup (clothes and holster) for the season.

It's very easy to do on your own, if you watch the videos, and or other references. I would watch the Apex YouTube videos and others if you can find them. Then while your doing it I would have them up on your computer. I'd also go to Burwells site and download his M&P Trigger Job pdf file, should be around 46 pages. I actually went to local auto store and got 1000, 1500 and 2000 grit sandpaper and made a few smooth finishes following the Burwell M&P Trigger job. I didn't do one Apex part as it seemed already shined, but can't remember what that was from the the FSS kit.

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I should of added: If you have or plan on getting another M&P then I wouldn't hesitate to get the FSS & Trigger, can always put it in your range gun if you don't like it for a CCW. For anyone that doesn't know; you should also get a good set of __Dummy Rounds__ and practice drawing with those, for any CCW. Since carrying with the FSS comes up a fair amount, after I bought it and dry fired over a few weeks before I got to the range. I questioned if I would use it in my CCW. Then for anyone asking it, or thinking about it, you should use that questioning as a sign that you should practice more with the FSS and Trigger. Even if others would never question it, it all comes down to your comfort level. Again buy the FSS & Trigger kit and get some dummy rounds and practice, practice, practice until you know that this will work for you. 11-12 years ago I questioned after I bought a Glock 23C with the 3.5 lbs trigger if it would be wise to use it as a CCW. With enough practice after selling it and not having a stupid C model for CC then I would of been just fine, even with a 3.5 lb trigger.

I went shooting this past Monday and an employee was shooting there with his friend. I gave him the M&P with the FSS and after his first shot he looked back in amazment on the trigger, he was very impressed. He has a nice Sig 1911 (.45) that I shot after, however my trigger was better. He carries it outside the waist on his belt, like all employees at the gun shop for protection, at least I think they all carry outside the waist there. So if anything if you don't feel right carrying it concealed then maybe you might have to buy a new M&P just for range duty CDNN has the full size for $425 right now, from yesterday's email I got, let alone JetGuns and others.

CDNN has awsome deal going on right now. I got FSS kit awhile back ago and just got a 9C, still debating whether to use it on 9C or switch out the Duty kit from my 9FS and swap the two...

I repeat what I said...... it's based on actual experience. I didn't read it somewhere, I didn't hear it somewhere, I did it to my guns, all 4 of them. I have different degrees of APEX upgrades, including the FSS kit. I carry my M&P's CCW for the most part. When I installed the FSS kit in my 40fs, I did it to that gun because I had a feeling it would be for the range only. After installing it and shooting it, I decided it was not a good idea to use for CCW since I had lost the trigger travel and higher trigger weight pull. My thought and feeling is the design of our M&P's for CCW was based on the trigger pull as a safety, without a manual safety on my 40fs I won't be carrying it CCW anymore. But I will say this, try it if you want it, make your own decision based on experience, just be sure to consider all the ramifications.

Happy Holidays,

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I am buying the M&P FS 9 range kit this Thursday for Christmas(wife insisted!) I want to use it in my league shoots and as acarry weapon. Which apex should I install? Open to any and all suggestions....

If you read my above post..... I would recommend the DCAEK from APEX Tactical. You have a Mass gun same as me, you can really smooth it out and still maintain a safe condition for CCW. It's not to bad to install if you have a little mechanical ap.. and a few tools. Otherwise, depending where you are, there are guys that can do it for you. Where in Mass are you? I'm in W. Sprfld

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Hiya Jack ! I'm in Whitinsville and shoot at Singletary Rod and Gun in Oxford,but looking to join Worcester gun club so I can get into IDPA shooting. I'm picking up the gun on Thursday and was told to put about 300 rounds through it before I do the Apex...just because. I dont care, I love to shoot!! I'm used to working with small springs and such being a locksmith so I think the apex install will be a piece of cake. Thanks you for your advice

Kewl, I have friends living there. That is great advice, 300 rounds will give you an opportunity to kinda proof the function of a new gun. After that, if you want to mod, at least you know the functionality is there. I remember shooting my 45fs for the first time, I was impressed how accurate and nice it was to shoot, but my trigger finger felt like someone cut it off around the 70th round.. I couldn't wait to do the trigger work on that one..

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I'll be sure and post the results from my first range visit.

I just got the Apex Tactical Newsletter in my email box. I guess they are working on a trigger for their M&P AEK kits; DCAEK and the Comp AEK's.

From newsletter:
AEK Trigger - With the demand for our Forward Set Sear and Trigger kits being so great, we decided to apply some of the same technology to the AEK's already on the market. What we came up with was the AEK Trigger. It will reduce some of the over travel in M&P's equipped with Apex DCAEK and Comp AEK's, but will not eliminate all of the pre-travel, to do that, you will need the FSS. The AEK Trigger will be machined from the same billet aluminum stock as the Forward Set Trigger but will have different pre-travel and over travel stops from the FSS Trigger. We expect to release the AEK Trigger by the end of January, but that date is not set in stone at this point.

So this is great news for everybody, more options to choose from. So if this is going to be a carry gun, then it probably would make more sense to get the DCAEK and get the new trigger when it comes out if your on the sidelines questioning if the FSS and trigger is a good idea for CC.

Very soon, you would think that some police agencies would allow they're officers to get the AEK trigger for the DCAEK guns they already approved. So if you live in an area where the DA, or his/her prosecutors in general might go after you if you modify your gun then DCAEK with the trigger would be a better choice than the FSS & Trigger kit. It shouldn't matter, but in some jurisdictions it apparently does.

So for me, since I have neck, wrist and finger pain I would shoot more accurately with my FSS & Trigger at 3 lbs. in a stressful situation. Also knowing that, I know that I would or should practice just a little bit more if I had a M&P with the FSS & Trigger, even if it was at 5.5 lbs. It shouldn't matter really between the two, but since I brought it up, then somewhere in my mind I know that if I wore certain articles of clothing, it may make it more dangerous depending on where I will be going, where I'll be sitting compared to if I just had the DCAEK. Again with enough practice then it shouldn't matter. The FSS & Trigger, from the 1911's I've shot are very, very, similar with the thumb safety model. Without the TS then it's like having your 1911 in the cocked and locked situation.

So in essence I've changed my mind for now recommending the FSS & Trigger for the majority of people if the pistol will be a CCW without the Thumb Safety. The FSS could still work for the majority of people, but with this new Apex DCAEK trigger development and from people who actually currently carry, like turbo38gn and others then maybe the DCAEK is the smarter choice. I think some people should factor in what their other guns they shoot with are. For instance if they shoot a handgun or handguns a big majority of the time with 6.5 to 10 lb triggers a lot more than you'd shoot your CCW with a 5 lb trigger with less pre/over travel and a lot less pre/over travel with the FSS then it might be wise NOT to get the FSS and get the DCAEK. Either way I still wouldn't let my carry M&P be stock though.

I do however really want to shoot a gun with the DCAEK kit in it, even better with one with the new trigger when it comes out.

If anyone is interested and you want to try out the FSS & Trigger in my M&P9L, I can meet up with you at Bills GS&R in Robbinsdale. I wish someone did that with me when I had my XDM9, I might of put in an aftermarket trigger in it, if I thought the price was justified. The FSS kit is not cheap so I thought I'd throw that out there. You can bring a few other people too, the more the merrier. Just bring or pay for your own ammo. Or even up shooting if you have the DCAEK, unless .40 or .45, I'd just shoot less rounds than you.

Yep, got the same newsletter, sounded like the ticket to me. Guess maybe Randy is giving us a choice, I like that.
thanks again Randy

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