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Old 01-11-2012, 11:36 AM
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Default M&P40c vs Glock 27 (subcompact 40 cal)

I am looking to purchase another handgun. Currently own an M&P9c. For whatever reason, I'd like my second handgun to be something other than 9mm. My 9c shoots really well, and feels great in my hands.

I recently rented and shot a FS M&P45, FS M&P40 , and the subcompact Glock 27. The M&P full size guns were hard to control after I took a shot (large for my hands). The Glock 27 had quite a bit of whip. But manageable.

But I am interested in the M&P40c. Anyone shoot both the 40c and Glock 27? And if so, how does the recoil compare?

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Very comparable recoil, with the Glock maybe a tad lighter. M&P feels a lot better grip/angle-wise, but that's just my opinion.
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I have shot both in 9mm and handled both at the LGS and do feel the the M&P feels better in my hand. I plan to go to Cabela's at lunch and look at both again. I am looking at a 9mm for the range. I carry a 1911 in .45 and don't plan to change that.
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I previously owned two Glock 27s and currently have a M&P 40c. In my opinion there is no comparison between these two pistols. While the Glocks were fine handguns, the M&P is far and away a better execution of a compact .40 . It is ergonomically superior, more accurate, better trigger, and made in America. You can also use one of the nifty Crimson Trace lasergrips that leaves the original grip profile largely unchanged. i really noticed no appreciable difference in recoil. Good luck whatever you decide.
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it seems the M&P 40c upped one against the glock G27. One
one (1) extra round, Pinky exennsion included in one of the mags and night sights. I own a G27 and for the longest time it was my EDC "was" until i shot the 40c now the G27 resides in my safe. Still a great gun and i will not sell it, I just like the 40c better. Does one (1) round make a difference??? To me ,Ya it does. You will do well by either weapon, I notice NO difference in recoil
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:50 PM
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The 40 S&W round is going to be a bit snappier compared to the 9mm round. I have carried a 27 for years, it was my first Glock. The M&P advantage over Glock is the grip and adjustable backstraps. This advantage extends over the Gen 4 27, which does have an adjustable back strap, in my opinion.

Suggest you go to your local gun store and hold each side by side. Both will be good shooters.

However, the better move might be to get the full size 9 making ammo management easier and the ability to use the 17 round mags in the 9sc.
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My first CCW was a G27. Still have it but had to do a grip reduction to the grip to make it fit my hands. I now carry the M&P 40c. The ergonomics are better and it is more accurate in my hands than the Glock. Still like my Glocks but the M&P is better. Also I shoot the M&P compact better than a full size. If wanting more capacity, just add a full size mag to the M&P and use an X-grip. Will take a few pics of mine to show you.
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Thanks for the feedback. M&P compact definitely feels better in my hands compared to Glock so I'll never buy a Glock for that reason (just not comfortable for me).

As for full size M&P (at least one person suggested that), I tried that: shot a FS 45 and 40... too big for my hands.

But if the recoil of the M&P40c is comparable to the Glock 27 (and many have stated they're close), then I think the 40c is in my future.

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If wanting more capacity, just add a full size mag to the M&P and use an X-grip. Will take a few pics of mine to show you.
Thanks.. looking forward to it.

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Old 01-11-2012, 05:39 PM
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Felt recoil is perceived differently by lots of folks. Kind of hard to quantify.

I've often thought that some shooters considered it to be how hard the grip's backstrap pushes against the web & palm of their hand ... while others may focus more on how fast/hard the slide cycles ... and yet others may pay more attention to how much muzzle rise/whip they experience. I suspect that muzzle blast can distract a number of folks from all of these things, too.

I own both the G27 and the M&P 40c.

I found that using the 40c's different grip inserts has, more often than not, changed how I experienced the various factors that influence how I perceived felt recoil.

My G27 and M&P 40c both have some noticeable muzzle rise/whip. That's the nature of the cartridge, to some extent.

Both seem to get back on target quickly & easily enough, but the ergonomics of the 40c seem to make it a "more natural" effort. I don't have to work quite as hard with my 40c to get that slight forward torque of the wrist required to align the Glocks with their unique grip angle.

The amount of recoil experienced by my hand and wrist (straight back against my hand, and resisting the torque effect with my wrist lock) is less tiring on me with the 40c than with the G27.

I feel less wear & tear on my trigger finger when using the 40c.

Perhaps the most telling thing, for me, is that I've noticed I can shoot more rounds through my 40c, with less wear & tear on me, than I can with my G27 (using the same ammunition). That's only really an issue for me when it comes to how long of a shooting session I'm planning for any given range day, though. It's not a factor with either little .40 if I'm only going to be shooting 50 rounds through either of them.

I carry both from time to time (carrying my 5-shot J-frames or one of my small 9's more often than either).

I take both the 40c & the G27 through range sessions and quals fairly often. Shooting both of them is harder than shooting the similar models chambered in 9mm. (I own a couple of G26's, and while I don't own a 9c, I've spent some range time with a few of them owned by other folks.)

I find that continuing to put a lot of emphasis on my .40's makes shooting the 9's even easier.

Luck to you in your decision. I own (5) 9's & (6) .40's, so it's not like I've ever really chosen one over the other. I've also carried examples of each caliber as issued weapons over the course of my career.

I'd suggest trying to find a 40c to try out at a range somewhere before making your decision, though.
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Seems to be a general consensus that the 40c is a bit better overall than the Glock 27. Having both, I agree. The 40c just feels better in the hand and I think being more comfortable--namely ergonomically superior and recoil being about equal, the 40c is the better shooter by a small margin to me.

If you're shooting one handed, the margin is bigger-the 40c pulls ahead more. The 27, being a tad bit smaller, is better for C&C--it just tucks away neater. But then, I sometimes have a laser tactical light on the 40c, something I can't put on the Glock 27.

Shooting 40 and then going to 9mm is also pretty well known as a way to improve your accuracy with the 9--a few magazines shooting 40 and 9mm seems more controllable--my groups are smaller going that way than if I just start out shooting 9mm.
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But then, I sometimes have a laser tactical light on the 40c, something I can't put on the Glock 27.
Do you have a holster that can accommodate the laser tactical light? If so could you share where you picked it up?
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I really like my Glock 23 for what it's worth. It's a little bigger than my M&P9c, but still concealable and a really fun gun.
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I just finished shooting my 9c and my fs 40 side by side so I could compare them for you.

The grips I think are the same. With the changeable back straps they feel the same in my hands.

Shooting, I think the fs40 is actually a bit softer than the 9c. I was using 180gr ball in the 40 and 124gr Lawmen in the 9c. The fs40 is louder, but to me the recoil is less.

The 45 has a completely different feel, it's a different frame.

If you go with a fs40, you can always buy a S&W 9mm or .357 barrel for $65 and swap the gun to a different caliber. Just a thought.
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Do you have a holster that can accommodate the laser tactical light? If so could you share where you picked it up?

Sure, I have a Verdian subcompact/compact green laser--tactical light combo, which fits neatly on my M&P 40c, it doesn't even extend beyond the end of the barrel. It works spendidly and looks very neat I think--as pictured here-- you may judge:

Viridian C5L Gun Laser Sights | Viridian Green Laser Gun Sights

I Have a TacLoc holster, purchased from the same company, although as with the laser-light it's available for less at other retailers. I've written a bit here about the Veridian line and green versus red lasers, how Crimson Trace is making green lasers for tactical rifles, etc, so I won't go into that here. CT makes some great lasers and like Veridian, they're a bit pricey and each has pros and cons. Some of that Chinese made stuff is junk.

If you want more info, look it up here, on-line or PM me. Veridian also sells a proprietory holster, the above mentioned TacLoc, for the S&W M&P as equipped with their lasers-tactical lights under the name TacLoc:

TacLoc for M&P w/ C5 Gun Laser Sights | Viridian Green Laser Gun Sights

First of all, the holster's made by Blackhawk--more about that in a bit....The holster retails for $49.00, but as mentioned, can be found for less on Amazon.com, among other places on-line.

I got one of the first ones and I felt it needed some work, with it being overly tight and the feel of the retention clip device wasn't 'quite right', so I sent it back.

It came back and I'd give it a 95%. As far as I know, it's the only commercial, 'out of the box' holster that fits my 40c with the laser/light--mine's the Verdian C5L. I don't know how it might fit M&P's with other lasers, laser--lights--Veridian could probably answer that.

I have liked the BlackHawk Serpa holsters for a while. I like how I can put, for instance, my Glock 27 and Glock 17, a much longer pistol, in the same BlackHawk holster and they both stay in securely and there's no slip--you press the button, (which is where my hand/finger is already when I draw) and the gun's released very fast and cleanly.

Some might consider it splitting hairs, but with BlackHawk's Veridian/TacLoc model, my M&P 40c can move up and down about a quarter inch and more worrisome to me, you have to hold the retention button a nano second longer, as if you just tap very quickly and draw your weapon, it may relock in rare instances. I reported this and what I see as other minor fit and finish issues to Veridian when I sent it back.

They told me there "was a problem with the retention clip", but beyond that, they also fixed it so that my pistol goes in and out (once the button fully releases it) much easier. Before that, I was practically pulling my pants up and down drawing my gun and reholstering it--it was too tight, even when I loosened screws, considered loctite, etc.

I think Veridian took my long critique to heart and in all fairness, my holster was one of the first they released. I'd like to guess the newer ones are a bit improved. They took a long time releasing it--months past their initial time estimate, people were chomping at the bit waiting--maybe they needed a bit longer.

If you've never had a BlackHawk not made for TacLoc, you might think the TacLoc's great, maybe even perfect and it is pretty darn good--I was just used to my previous BlackHawks being built a bit better.

BlackHawks also have rolled edges--that's mainly a cosmetic thing, but unlike their TacLoc, you can't see the spring mechanism (wire) that is essential to the button release from the side of the holster--I even had to manually refit the spring in with a small screwdriver when I first received it.

A few hundred rounds later with my new, second holster, no more problems--it came with the spring still viewable, but in place as designed. I think the spring is secure, but the BlackHawk's still look better, fit and finish wise, besides not even showing the spring, IMO. I can draw and reholster and keep my pants on--lol.

I'm not slamming the TacLoc--as said, I'd give it a 95% and I'm very picky. Plus, my only other recourse was to have a local fellow who molds plastics, heat form a holster to my M&P w/ the C5L on it. I think there's more guys around who do that for many different guns/needs than we think, (ask around) but it will probably cost you between $70 and $120 and it won't look 'factory'. The ones I've seen fit nice, (tight but not TOO tight) but don't have a level two, secure button quick release and look a bit, shall we say, 'home made'--even 'primitive'. Your 'mileage may vary' on fit and finish acc. to the maker's workmanship.

I'd say if you want a pretty good holster and the Veridian TacLoc fits your 'rig', order one. I have found and heard from others as well, that Veridian backs its products very well--even extending their terms beyond what they state, if there's no over the top abuse. They sent me a postage paid return label quickly and have always been professional.

So if it doesn't suit you, you can return it. Who knows, picky as I am--I might yet still return it in the future if I do find that the quarter inch or so of up and down slip has been removed, making the button release as totally clean as my BlackHawks.

Most folks probably wouldn't even notice and if they did, might say 'no big deal' but I notice. But for now, other than having the local guy make a custom, non secured retention holster, as far as I know, TacLoc's the only maker that fits my 40c, C5L setup. So until there's better for a fair price, I'll keep mine.
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When you rented the M&P what size grip strap did they have on? They come with 3 different sizes . Even my wifes smaller hand can be fit to my full size M&P 40 and she shoots it well but does not like the feel of a Glock.
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When you rented the M&P what size grip strap did they have on? They come with 3 different sizes . Even my wifes smaller hand can be fit to my full size M&P 40 and she shoots it well but does not like the feel of a Glock.
They had the medium grip on the FS M&Ps that I rented. For reference, I have my 9c outfitted with the large grip.

My problem with the FS M&Ps (and maybe it's because I lack experience) is that my left hand would partially lose it's grip after taking a shot. I rented a S&W 1911 E series that same day and did not have that problem.

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My M&P 40c came with the medium size back strap from the factory. IMO, S&W did a better job on making the M&P series back straps more easily interchangeable than did Springfield on the XDM or Glock on their Gen 4's. It's a pain on my XDM--I actually broke a brass punch doing the back strap swap out the first time. I think it's a bit ridiculous when you need a mallet and punch to do that. I take my wife and kids to the range and I'm glad they can shoot just about anything of any size rather well, w/o me having to change grips, stocks, etc. We'd rather bring our sights already zeroed in and our magazines preloaded, so we can spend our time shooting!
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