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Old 06-06-2012, 09:27 PM
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7 Glocks, 3 M&P's, both are good pistols.
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Trigger Glock>M&P
Looks Glock<M&P
Reliability Glock=M&P
Ergo's Glock gen 1,2,3 <M&P
Glock gen 4=M&P
Aftermarket parts Glock> M&P

My only real complaint with the M&P is I wish they had a G19/23 sized gun. For me this is my perfect EDC sized gun (per my hand size). Otherwise like mentioned before it is basicly Ford vs Chevy.
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IMHO both are quality, proven reliable firearms. I have shot both regularly.

For me it all comes down to ergonomics. The M&P just "fits" my hand better and the grip angle of the M&P is more comfortable. Hense I shoot better with the M&P.

For me it all comes down to personal preferance and comfort, especially when competing on dynamic courses like IDPA and USPSA.
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What tipped the scaled in favor of the M&P is the feel and the traditionally rifled barrel will shoot cast lead bullets. Said practice to be dangerous in a Glock per internet wisdom.

It's a very personal decision, which ever one fits and shoots better for you.

Mags are cheaper for the Glock. At the moment mags for the M&P 9 appear to be out of stock.
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I had a Glock 19 (Gen3) and ended up selling it last year after getting an M&P. Wish I held on to it. As much as I agree that the M&P feels better in my hand, I shot my Glock better than the Smith. I think it's because of the trigger. Anyhow, after a year shooting the M&P, I went and got a new Gen4 Glock 19 just the other day and to me, it feels better than the Gen3, but the ergos on the Smith are still better. With that said, I still prefer the Glock's trigger. Hope to get out this weekend and give it a whirl. Regardless, I think both are great guns.
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Well since I last posted back in Feburary things have changed. After some time thinking I needed a Glock 19 I rented one at the range. It was a gen 4 and everything went well with it but I just shot my M&P better and more accurately. I have never had any issues with my M&P 9's accuracy. So after the range vist I traded my Glock 30sf on a Ruger SR1911 and am now Glockless. The M&P works best for me.
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I own Glocks and carry an M&P .40 at work. Like the ergonomics of the M&P but i believe the Glock will feed loads that the M&P will not.

Thinking very seriously about buying a 9mm M&P pro if they ever become available again.
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The M&P fits my hands better, and the ever so slightly higher bore axis seems perfect for me combined with the beavertail. I have medium sized but meaty hands and Glocks give me horrible slide bite after 100 rounds or so. Take an all day or multiple day training class, my hand would almost require stitches. I carried a Glock daily for years and my reason to switch was not reliablility, just how the two different guns fit me.
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I had a full size M&P45. Traded it to my brother-in-law for his Glock 23 as I needed something more compact. I have a trade on tonight - going back to M&P - M&P40c.

I don't like these things about the G23 (I say that because I actually do like the G27 - not as well as the M&P but I could live with that more):

1. Don't like the trigger.
2. Don't like the grip.
3. Don't like the takedown as well (although it isn't bad)
4. Don't like the look.

So, I'm psyched that, in only 10 hours, I should be back in the M&P saddle again.
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I own several Glocks. Bought my first in 1994. Love them ALL.

I bought a S&W Shield 9mm the first week of May because Glock does not offer a single stack compact. Yet.

My Shield is now my EDC. Great little pistola.
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Owned 35 Glocks 9's & 45's since 1986, good guns always work, still have 4 but changed to M&P owned 10 9's & 45's, still have 5. Better ergo's for me and made in the USA, minor point but a reason just the same.
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Glock is my preference. Shoot both well but Glocks are easier to maintain , detail strip , cheaper and more plentiful aftermarket parts, sights availability and much easier to change. All the glocks I own have been 100% reliable and just as accurate as any poly gun I have shot.
Would buy another M&P if they made one for 10mm.
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Glock does not offer a single stack compact. Yet.

They won't ever make one for the US market since it would not pass the import regulations. That is why the .380 is not sold here.

I would not care for one anyway as the only Glock I semi liked is the Baby in Gen 4. I only bought it because of my LE discount just like most LE's and their departments. My only M&P is my new Shield and that one puts my G27 to shame.

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They won't ever make one for the US market since it would not pass the import regulations. That is why the .380 is not sold here.

I would not care for one anyway as the only Glock I semi liked is the Baby in Gen 4. I only bought it because of my LE discount just like most LE's and their departments. My only M&P is my new Shield and that one puts my G27 to shame.
Glock 36, single stack .45 ACP and yes it is available in the USA as I and several people I know own them
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Glock 36, single stack .45 ACP and yes it is available in the USA as I and several people I know own them
That thing is way bigger than a Shield and can not ever be considered "slim". It is not the Glock that people are wishing for. A slimline 9mm or 40 will not happen due to the import point system and I am perfectly fine with that.


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That thing is way bigger than a Shield and can not ever be considered "slim". It is not the Glock that people are wishing for. A slimline 9mm or 40 will not happen due to the import point system and I am perfectly fine with that.


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Not even a .25 of an inch difference in width and roughly .50 inch difference in length between them. Don't get me wrong, I love my Shield 9mm and it has better shooting manners than the G36, but they both have their place. And the Glock is single stack sub compact.
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Not even a .25 of an inch difference in width and roughly .50 inch difference in length between them. Don't get me wrong, I love my Shield 9mm and it has better shooting manners than the G36, but they both have their place. And the Glock is single stack sub compact.
Single stack yes, but sub compact it is not.
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For me it has gotten very simple. Late model GEN3 or GEN4 Glocks especially the G19's are having all kinds of problems. It is not myth, internet rumor or whatever. I bought one Glock and after not being able to fix it they sent me 3 (yes 3!) replacement guns.
Two had problems right out of the box. The other two broke down at 800 and 2000 rounds. After trying all the aftermarket fixes I traded it on my M&P 9c which has given me zero problems. My older Glocks work well and I will keep them. But the Ergo's aren't great for my hand. Had a couple of grip chops done and it helped.
The M&P has great Ergo's right out of the box. Put in the APEX Defense/Carry set up and it has the best trigger out there of any polymer pistol I've ever shot. Lots of LEO's in my area switching to M&P's. Just a better all around gun IMHO.
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After carrying a Sigma 2 years my wife wanted something smaller. I carried a Sigma 4 years and have wanted a G30 for quite some time. My Nephew loves the M7P series and tried to talk us into an M&P 9C and an M&P 45. We shot his and they were OK but I still wanted a G26 and G30. We bought the Glocks and I was really suprised my nephew likes them both, a lot. Go figure.
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I tend to wonder if comparisons of two firearms that are for all intents and perposes eaqual, of having any measurable merit.

By that I mean both the Glock and the M&P are solid well made reliable guns and IMHO one doesnt have a clear advantge over the other, so any advantages tend to be base almost entirely on personal opinions, likes or dislikes. And the desigion on which of the two to buy becomes a matter of opinion based on personal like or in my case, dislikes.

I feel Glocks are a excellent firearm, but I DO NOT like the way any Glock feels in my hand so I doubt I will ever buy a Glock. On the other hand I love the way M&Ps and XDs feel in my hand, so that is what I own both. Do I think my MP or my XDs are better than a Glock in performing the perposes of why they were designed in the first place? No I do not.

I do know my personal opinion is I can do all the things these pistols were designed for better with my M&P and XDs.

For me it came down to what felt best in my hand and what had the best trigger. That is why I bought the XDs and my M&P.

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I carried Glocks for years but switched to the M&P in 2010. I don't dislike the Glock but there are a few things I like a little better. I found the ergonomics to be better as well as the POA. The sights are better too. On the other side of the coin I find the Glock to be better balanced. In all other respects I find them to be about equal- Trigger (after breaking in), recoil, accuracy, ease of maintainance. As you can see there aren't any big reasons I switched, just a few little ones.
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Why not consider a real firearm, an H&K. I would put my H&K up against either pistol any day.
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Dude, looked at your posts and most of them recommend the same old thing - H&K over S&W M&P. Why are you even here?
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Back on topic. I bought a G19 Gen 3 and the trigger is much much better that stock M&P. Even though I like the M&P ergos better, the G19 shoots better. That said, I hope the M&P trigger gets better with time. I like both and will keep both until I see a significant difference.
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Tough sell...I'm a G21 guy myself, but I was thinking about making the leap to an M&P45. Just can't quite get there. My Glock shoots really well (I shoot it as good as I can a Kimber 1911), so I'm hesitant to retire the ol' girl. Shot an M&P 40 one time, but I've never liked the 40 cal platform on any pistol.
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Meh, Both weapons are quality and fire when needed. Personally I went with the M&P 9mm over the G17 for two simple reasons. The M&P felt more "natural" and less cheap. The other reason is buying from an all American company. I understand Glock makes a few models here in the states but its still uniquely european.
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I got rid of my M&P's and went with a Glock 19. I'll be getting an M&P9 once the old stock is all gone, and when the magazine shortage stops.. Main reason I went glock is so I can have spare parts on hand without sending stuff back to the factory...


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I came from Sig 229 as LE in MA 12 years ago to Glock world in NY. First it was 17 then 22/23. I'm a basic armorer for a bunch of solid handgun platforms. No expert but I do get to take them apart and see lots of em and own a lot of em too.

All said and done it took me 2 years to begin to like Glock. Once I got the muscle memory needed I really began to appreciate the simplicity of them and totally fell in love with the trigger reset.

I had no interest in M&P but got dragged to an armorer class by a friend held by a fed agency. I was thinking "SIGMA" and my expectations were way low! I was very surprised at the M&P and after really absorbing it in it was as if Glock decided they were going to upgrade their design to 21st century.

I view M&P as a much improved Glock. Captive steel rod, the integral steel chassis, almost impossible to break extractor, etc... They did a great job and improving an already excellent design.

Glock didn't make changes and innovate and lets face it, Glock is damn good but very "vanilla" so to say...M&P took the base and made visual as well as practical enhancements. S&W saw the hole and filled it!!
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I am probably more comfortable with the Glock than the M&P in that class or type of pistol. Probably has to do with availability of parts and the fact that I have attended the Glock Armorer's Class a great many times (they want you to take it every 3 years). So, I am used to them. That said, I positively would not own that awful RTF finish Glock (too sharp) and I do not care for the Gen 4 Glocks. Thus, I am stuck with the Gen 3 type and for what it is, it is fine. In addition to parts availability and ability to service my own pistol, Glock magazines are not as expensive and their sights are not seemingly "welded" on the slide, making replacement with the sight tools a breeze.
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I'm with you there. 3rd Gen I really like. I do NOT like the feel of the Gen 4 in my hand. Parts are a big plus...that is what kept me from being a true XD fan (have a 45 and like it but do NOT like the lack of support from SA nor the mush trigger).
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I'm gonna get slapped for saying this.

But lately Smiths QC with the M&P's.......lacking.

I have to side with glock as of late *but that may change if S&W stops sending out flaking M&P's with guide rod issues*.

I love the feel of the M&P 4x more than the glock. Also like the sights more.

I feel glock mags are better made however.

Glocks finish is tougher.


Kind of a crossroads.

If S&W gets their CQ under control on the M&P's.......M&P all the way. Until then. Glock has the ball.
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Kind of new to all this, but from the newbie perspective, I've gravitated towards the S&W line instead of the Glocks. We have a G19, but it looks like a stapler with a handle, and feels like I'm holding a brick.

The M&P is sexier, and with the APEX, the trigger is better than the Glock. I put the 3.5 connector and comp springs in the glock, but it still feels like a revolver (ok, just half the distance).

We use the G19 for HD, since it is reliable. The M&P is for USPSA/IPSC and the 1911PC is for IDPA.

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I own a shield 40 and a glock 22C I would stack my shield against the 27 I used to have and my 22C over the FS 40 m&p I used to have. so it is kinda what ever you shoot best I guess.
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Gen 4 Glock 19. I really like my Shield 9, but would not give up my Glock.
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Gen 4 Glock 19. I really like my Shield 9, but would not give up my Glock.

Gen 4 isn't that bad. I did a slight mod with the back strap.





Much better fit than after market beaver tails. Plus since it is technically factory it shouldn't be disqualified from shooting leagues right?
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I own several pistols of which two are polymer...my M&P 45c and my CZ 9mm Phantom. Both are absolutely reliable with accuracy going to the CZ. Have never owned a Glock due to the horrible to me grip angle and the looks of it which to me is just butt ugly. To each their own.
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I like both honestly. The M&P just feels better in my hand. Not to say that the glock doesn't, it's just the M&P almost feels like it belongs there. I really want a Glock 30s though. I held one a few days ago and it was hard to give back.
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I go with whichever one you pick up and point that when you then look at the sights is aimed best. Personally, it was the M&P. I like a lot of other things about it, but frankly I don't care about this one is made better than that or that.

Both are proven in the field, both are mass produced. I would have gotten an XD otherwise.

I will own a Glock at some point and put in the effort for the muscle memory on the grip angle, but I have seen plenty of people pick one up and not batted an eyelid before shooting well.
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I carried a G23 & G21 on duty when I was doing armed security. Got laid off due to plant closures & gave them to my son before WI had concealed carry. He went to the police academy & was issued an M&P 40 & told me he liked that a bit better than the Glocks which he loved. Meantime WI got a concealed carry law so I wanted a license & needed a gun. Without much money I bought a Sigma 40VE at an excellent price. I finally ordered an M&P 40C with my son's recommendation. Then I knew a PO who wanted to sell his old (3 years old) duty M&P 40 FS & now I no longer have the Glock yearning. I shot Glocks well - always qualified with a good score. I can buy M&Ps at a much better price at a local police supply store if I'm willing to wait for delivery.
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I consider plastic guns to be like plastic silverware... they work for a picnic, but I wouldn't show em off..... I like them as tools due to cost & simplicity.

With that in mind, I have been a G-lock fan for a long time.... hard to top a pistol with 36 parts.... uber reliable (yeah ****** trigger, but I am ok with a "service" trigger, as all my duty rifles were miserable too). Until 2 years ago, I was firmly in the Glock camp.

When I looked at the M&P my first concern was too complex, like the other brands, things were done that I felt had no purpose (additional safties, sear cut out, etc) I DO NOT like extra parts..... Upon really tearing the pistols apart, I found that there was a method to the madness, and more impressively, a modular structure that allowed safeties to be removed/replaced. I also learned about the all steel subframe and replaceable rail blocks..... ok, the engineer wanna be in me was intrigued.... I actually do prefer the grip angle, and having "Little girl hands" the size of the handle on the 45 is much better than even a gen 4 G21. Now we are gettin somewhere..... The sear disconnect..... absolutely ****ing brilliant!!!!!! I LOVE that you can tear this gun down with a round in the chamber safely (I know thats dumb, and do clear the chamber, but many LEO accidents are upon pullin the trigger to breakdown, this absolutely eliminates this danger!) So at this point, I feel like they took a Glock, and reengineered the few warts that it has.... cool..... I ordered a compact 45....... then it happened....

The first time I shot this thing I was AMAZED.... my 45 is ungodly accurate, and its not just me, anyone who has fired it has found it to be superbly accurate, and comfortable to shoot.

I stil have my glocks, and love them, but I do think future purchases will be M&P unless glock backs the prices down to where they used to be... I do believe that at the range they are now, the Smith is a better buy.....
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I own both and I love both...can't get enough of either one...excellent pistols and you can't go wrong with either...Glocks are the simpler of the bunch to work on hands down!
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Love the XD/XDm and M&P as Glocks feel like bricks in my hands (even gen3&4's) but I'm wanting a hi-cap 10mm, come on S&W/S.A. don't make me think of getting a G-20.
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Kind of new to all this, but from the newbie perspective, I've gravitated towards the S&W line instead of the Glocks. We have a G19, but it looks like a stapler with a handle, and feels like I'm holding a brick.

The M&P is sexier, and with the APEX, the trigger is better than the Glock. I put the 3.5 connector and comp springs in the glock, but it still feels like a revolver (ok, just half the distance).

We use the G19 for HD, since it is reliable. The M&P is for USPSA/IPSC and the 1911PC is for IDPA.

I don't think that 1911 is legal in IDPA CDP nor ESP.You may get by with it at local matches that don't enforce the rules but it won't fly at a sanctioned match.
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I have asked about this. My 1911 PC Bobtail has no custom mods at all.

The rules specify no ported barrels. This is the S&W factory slide, and isn't any different functionally as a Glock 34/35, or XDM 5.25 open top slide.

The "Allowed" section for CDP says "High Power Cuts" are allowed, but I'm not sure if this is what is being discussed.

The sticking point may be the rule about removal of material from the slide. Since this is factory design, and I did not "remove" anything, I guess it's up for debate.

The local matches I go to aren't worried about it.

UPDATE: I checked with those who have dealt with this model at the "Regional" level. It's not legal. Bummer. I guess I won't be going to any sanctioned events with this one. I love this thing, as its so light and the bobtail works well in my palm.

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I own neither pistol.

Glock and M&Ps to my hands feel like some villainous gunsmith changed the trigger to a light switch .Both pistols work well as mass market tools, but seeing as how I must earn my money to buy firearms I refuse to pay one red cent for a firearm that sells with a substandard trigger.

As far as polymer vs metal is concerned the only thing about the material that bothers me is that gunmakers sell polymer frame pistols at prices identical to those of metal frame competitors when they cost a fraction of the metal firearm to manufacture.
More power to those firms to rake in the money, but I will not join the lemmings jumping off the 'Tactical' cliff.
$550 dollars for a gun as good as a Glock or M&P is well worth I but for this argument I'm going to reference the Glock, You don't want to "Jump Off The Tactical Cliff" when it's been known for a Glock ( and it seems in your opinion, is inferior to "Steel" ) to have a round count as high and higher than 300,000 Rounds with nothing more than springs replaced! Now I love steel pistols in my opinion there's nothing more beautiful than a deeply blued 1911 but how many 1911s and other steel pistols in that price range reach that high of a round count? None that I know of most high end 1911s have round count life of around 20,000 Rounds and that's on the higher side, now I'm not saying that there isn't any out there I'm sure there is but most don't make it with out a cracked frame or some sort of catastrophic failure and the same goes for Glocks I'm not saying there perfect but for the price it's one hell of a pistol and to be so narrow minded "just because it doesn't cost as much to make as a steel gun but they still charge the same" opinion your losing out but hey you are entitled to your beliefs that's the great thing about America
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The Glock23's Tenifer finish and solid feel exuded quality when I first laid my hands on the gun after ordering it online. Then I started shooting it. The grip felt uncomfortable in my hand and the trigger safety did not recede completely into the trigger. I was so unhappy with those features that I got rid of it after only 500 rounds. I have replaced it with a S&W SD40VE and I am extremely happy with my decision to switch.

I know, the SD40VE is not an M&P but I'm happy enough with it as a replacement for my Glock23. I also own an M&P9FS for target shooting and an M&P40Shield for carry, both of which I totally love.
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The Glock23's Tenifer finish and solid feel exuded quality when I first laid my hands on the gun after ordering it online. Then I started shooting it. The grip felt uncomfortable in my hand and the trigger safety did not recede completely into the trigger. I was so unhappy with those features that I got rid of it after only 500 rounds.
Are you me? I like the glock from a design and execution standpoint, but shooting it just is full of meh and little questions that are answered by the m&p..
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Traded a G27 4th gen for my mp40c and don't regret it one bit. Just like you said, the Block was like holding a 2x4. M&P just have superior ergos. Also yes I'll say it, blocks are *****. I know it has nothing to do with anything but in some way we like the look of our guns.

Also for me, I am just more accurate with the m&p
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I think my G23 (Gen 3) is pretty comfortable in my hand. I had it out at the last range trip with 4 guys and 7 guns and pretty much everyone felt it was the best shooter in the bunch. I'm looking for a 9mm now so maybe a M&P or a Sig P226.
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