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Old 08-27-2013, 10:32 PM
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I own Glocks and carry an M&P at work. Four years later.. I think the M&P's are bit more fragile than the Glocks. I have seen slide releases break on several, slides rust, magazines rust, and the little lever you have to flip up and down to disassemble the gun drives me nuts.

Saw one over zealous new hire completely lock the gun up trying to reassemble it in record time. Slide jumped over the rails and required a trip back to the mothership to correct.

I love my Smith's and only wish the Glocks trigger could be tuned with an apex kit for the same result.

Both platforms have pros and cons. Just for today I own S&W revolvers and Glocks. While I have confidence in the M&P we are issued, I would prefer to have my Glock.

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I wrote this email to some friends that wanted my opinion on the Glock vs M&P. I thought I would post it for your thoughts as well.


This is nothing more than my opinion so take it for what it it worth. So you know where I am coming from, my focus with regard to all my guns is long term durability and ultra reliability. I want guns I can count in in a zombie apocalypse. I don't particularly care if they are pretty. I attended an M&P armorer's course primarily because I wanted to learn how to detail strip and repair (should the need arise) my newly acquired S&W Shield 9mm. I have been VERY taken with the Shield, and that hasn't changed. I don't think there is a better single stack 9mm on the market as of this writing, though there are STRONG rumors that a Glock will introduce a single stack 9mm at next years shot show. Many of us have been wishing for that for years, if not decades, but I hear that Glock has moved production to the US, which makes the appearance of a slim 9mm more likely since import restrictions would no longer be a barrier. A Glock equivalent of the Shield would most assuredly be a "must have" for me. So here are my thoughts:

The M&P is basically a Glock, with the internal parts moved around. One of the consequences of moving the parts around is that it is somewhat more difficult to detail strip, but it has some positive aspects as well.

One area where I think the M&P is clearly superior to the Glock design is in the frame. The M&P frame is constructed of a similar polymer, but has stainless steel inserts to stiffen/strengthen the frame in critical areas. I own a 24 year old (low round count) Glock 19 that suffered a cracked frame for reasons unknown. I have wondered ever since whether or not that was just a bad batch of polymer, or the frame was subject to some unknown trauma(I had bought the gun used), or if polymer just becomes brittle with age, and therefore has a service life? I have no answers to those questions, but the added steel in the M&P frame is comforting to me.

The M&P also has a grip angle and (low) bore axis which I find to be outstanding. I also like the Glock grip angle and bore axis, and frankly I see little difference between them, but it seems a great many people despise the Glock grip angle. To me, its a wash between the two pistols. The (full size and compact) M&P comes with three interchangeable back straps. I know the Glock Gen 4 has interchangeable back-straps as well, though I have never handled one. I never had any serious issues with the Gen three frames, and in the M&P I am satisfied with the "medium" back-strap, so I suppose I am as average as average can be and either/or will do just fine. If the back strap is important to you then you will have to judge for yourself.

Another area where the M&P excels is the trigger. This appears to be a positive consequence of moving the parts around as I mentioned earlier. It seems to me that, the interplay between the connector and trigger bar on the Glock is inherently less smooth than the M&P system. Again, I am not an expert...just my opinion. The M&P trigger by contrast is outstanding, very smooth with a strong reset. On the flip side, and again, just my opinion, I think the Glock trigger system is more robust, especially with the NY1 trigger which I prefer. The NY1 trigger is virtually unbreakable and offers the most positive reset available which is something that is most valuable to me.

The M&P is available with or without a magazine disconnect, external safety, and key lock. I wouldn't want any of those features, but they are an option for those that are so disposed so I thought I would throw it out there.

In terms of the ease with which each respective pistol can be be detail stripped and repaired, Glock wins hands down. An orangutan can detail strip a Glock pistol. It's that easy. The M&P is an order of magnitude more difficult. That is not to say that it is difficult per se, just more so than a Glock.

All thinks considered, If I were looking for a full size or compact double stack pistol, I would stick with the Glock. All of the aforementioned in addition to parts availability makes it a winner. I never much cared for the stubby feel of the baby Glock which is why, for concealed carry, the slim 9mm Shield can't be beat. If Glock introduces a single stack 9mm...that may be a game changer (in my opinion.)
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This is nothing more than my opinion so take it for what it it worth. So you know where I am coming from, my focus with regard to all my guns is long term durability and ultra reliability. I want guns I can count in in a zombie apocalypse. I don't particularly care if they are pretty. I attended an M&P armorer's course primarily because I wanted to learn how to detail strip and repair (should the need arise) my newly acquired S&W Shield 9mm. I have been VERY taken with the Shield, and that hasn't changed. I don't think there is a better single stack 9mm on the market as of this writing, though there are STRONG rumors that a Glock will introduce a single stack 9mm at next years shot show. Many of us have been wishing for that for years, if not decades, but I hear that Glock has moved production to the US, which makes the appearance of a slim 9mm more likely since import restrictions would no longer be a barrier. A Glock equivalent of the Shield would most assuredly be a "must have" for me. So here are my thoughts:

The M&P is basically a Glock, with the internal parts moved around. One of the consequences of moving the parts around is that it is somewhat more difficult to detail strip, but it has some positive aspects as well.

One area where I think the M&P is clearly superior to the Glock design is in the frame. The M&P frame is constructed of a similar polymer, but has stainless steel inserts to stiffen/strengthen the frame in critical areas. I own a 24 year old (low round count) Glock 19 that suffered a cracked frame for reasons unknown. I have wondered ever since whether or not that was just a bad batch of polymer, or the frame was subject to some unknown trauma(I had bought the gun used), or if polymer just becomes brittle with age, and therefore has a service life? I have no answers to those questions, but the added steel in the M&P frame is comforting to me.

The M&P also has a grip angle and (low) bore axis which I find to be outstanding. I also like the Glock grip angle and bore axis, and frankly I see little difference between them, but it seems a great many people despise the Glock grip angle. To me, its a wash between the two pistols. The (full size and compact) M&P comes with three interchangeable back straps. I know the Glock Gen 4 has interchangeable back-straps as well, though I have never handled one. I never had any serious issues with the Gen three frames, and in the M&P I am satisfied with the "medium" back-strap, so I suppose I am as average as average can be and either/or will do just fine. If the back strap is important to you then you will have to judge for yourself.

Another area where the M&P excels is the trigger. This appears to be a positive consequence of moving the parts around as I mentioned earlier. It seems to me that, the interplay between the connector and trigger bar on the Glock is inherently less smooth than the M&P system. Again, I am not an expert...just my opinion. The M&P trigger by contrast is outstanding, very smooth with a strong reset. On the flip side, and again, just my opinion, I think the Glock trigger system is more robust, especially with the NY1 trigger which I prefer. The NY1 trigger is virtually unbreakable and offers the most positive reset available which is something that is most valuable to me.

The M&P is available with or without a magazine disconnect, external safety, and key lock. I wouldn't want any of those features, but they are an option for those that are so disposed so I thought I would throw it out there.

In terms of the ease with which each respective pistol can be be detail stripped and repaired, Glock wins hands down. An orangutan can detail strip a Glock pistol. It's that easy. The M&P is an order of magnitude more difficult. That is not to say that it is difficult per se, just more so than a Glock.

All thinks considered, If I were looking for a full size or compact double stack pistol, I would stick with the Glock. All of the aforementioned in addition to parts availability makes it a winner. I never much cared for the stubby feel of the baby Glock which is why, for concealed carry, the slim 9mm Shield can't be beat. If Glock introduces a single stack 9mm...that may be a game changer (in my opinion.)
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Both are good, but the shape of the trigger on the Glock is kinda like a stick, uncomfortable in long range sessions. M&P trigger shape is just more ergonomic for me. I have a 9c, but have owned Glock as well. Still prefer my 581 and 29.
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I am a long term Glock shooter and just recently picked up a 9c so I don't count myself as one who has "switched sides" just yet.

In favor of the M&P: I prefer the S&W brand. The grip angle and shape is far superior to the Glock in my opinion. The slide finish is better than the current Glocks.

In favor of the Glock: Accessories and parts support. Holsters, magazines and parts are readily available. (The magazine situation with the 9mm M&P is shameful!)

At this point, while still early in the process of considering the M&P, I would say that the magazine situation is a deal breaker for me. If S&W doesn't correct that HUGE mistake, I will end up staying with Glock for all my plastic gun needs. A semi-automatic pistol is a single shot paperweight without magazines!
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I'm ISSUED a G21 with a NY+ (>8lb) trigger and I carry an MP9c off duty.

I like the trigger on the S&W much better than the Glock, maybe it's the difference in trigger weights, maybe the tactile reset isn't as pronounced, but I'm not a shooter that relies on the reset to tell me when to fire, I make up my own mind.

The M&P is easier to break down due to the lever rather than trying to pull down on two nubs at the same time.

The grip? Let's just say 2x4 VS natural grip.

The Glock gets the nod on being a full-sized pistol (I like the full sized better, it just fits my hand better ... except for the 2x4 feeling) but the M&P conceals better with only 1 shot lost in translation (12+1 VS 13+1). Granted that's 13 rnds of 9mm VS 14 rnds of .45, but I'm a student of "It's more important WHERE you hit, rather than what you hit with."

My dad is a S&W guy and I grew up a S&W guy.

I like the few Glocks I've fired, but there's just something about them that makes me like the S&W better, maybe it's because the Glock has more plastic in areas that I think are better made of metal.

So here's a +1 for the M&P
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When I went out to buy my first bought-for-my-ownself (as opposed to handmedowns or issue) pistol last year, I shopped HARD. I rented & shot guns from several brands at local ranges, & spent more time in line at (jammed) gunshop counters than I care to recall.

One of the downsides of being a detail-freak engineer is that you sweat even small things that other people wouldn't consider. This can make shopping a nightmare for me and anyone who goes with me.

The upside is, when I buy, I have a very high probability of satisfaction.

I have a number of friends who have and like Glocks, & I've shot theirs before going back to the 90's.

The training facility I had to go to to get my CA handgun safety cert (& which I made the wife attend, too, under the same premise that it does ME no good to get CPR certified) used Glocks exclusively.

But when all was said and done, for my first home-defense & general target shooting pistol, I chose the M&P 9mm FS.

Main reasons why:
Grip angle. The M&P feels like an extention of my hand, as if I was pointing my finger. The Glock feels like something I have to actively point to get it where I want.

Feel. The M&P fits my hand beautifully. I'm a lefty, and I'm used to having to cope with products that feel "wrong" since childhood. The M&P felt like they actually had input from left-handed shooters in the design phase, where the Glock felt like it at-best tolerated the fact that left-handed people exist. Even without swapping the mag release button to the other side, I find the M&P a superior southpaw experience. Can't say why, but it's a definite feeling. When I shoot right-handed, I don't notice this difference nearly as much.

The Smith feels more robust to me when cycling, too.

Beavertail. Glocks bite my meaty mits unless I'm very careful about my grip. I shouldn't have to be thinking about that when I'm trying to shoot something, especially in a home-defense situation. Only thing I should have to think about at that point is whether or not to shoot.

Replaceable grips. Medium fits me like it was custom-made. Small fits the wife. Simplifies things if there's ever a for-her purchase in future, mainly.

Stovepipes. Seems like every time I shoot a Glock, I get one or more stovepiped casings, even when I'm being carefully assertive with my grip. Has never happened to me using the M&P. Probably an issue of balance, grip angle, and comfort, but it's real for me.

Field-strip. I hate disassembling the Glock, but the M&P is brainless to field-strip, even with the seer disconnect to cope with.

Manufacturer's history. 'Nuff said.

Point of origin / corporate ownership. US owned and made is still a preference for me, even if all other things are equal. As is openly admitted ownership. I'm weird that way.

Example: I've owned domestic and foreign cars, & I currently drive a Japanese car because "!4$" (bang for bucks) they are strongly a better deal, especially in my market segment (performance coupe). If a US maker could come even close to the value proposition I've gotten out of my '03 350Z (or my 33-year-old RX-7) I'd buy one in a heartbeat, but there was simply nothing out there that can touch it for less than twice the money. Smith&Wesson > Glock if all things were equal, but the Smith had the advantage technically going in.

Aesthetics. The M&P is just flat-out a better looking weapon. Not a big part of the decision, but still in the mix.

Finally and least importantly, the verse from "Headknocker" would sound damn silly written "...If that don't show you a lesson, he might show you his Glock."

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If ya want a sexy and comfortable gun s&w....if ya want the ugly uncomfortable gun with available parts glock wins
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I have both and like both. I do like the size of the 40c better than the 27 or 23. Just my 2 cent.
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If you could pick one 9mm handgun that IS NOT A S&W that is fun to shoot and could be a CC gun...what would it be?
If I had to chose a new 9mm and S&W was out of the picture, it would most likely be a Glock, primarily due to the aftermarket support (as long as I could have a standard trigger, the G21 I carry at work has the NY+ trigger and it really SUCKS).
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For me, when it comes to my CCW the trigger is probably my biggest deal. Don't like changing it from stock and things like grips can easily be swapped out. That said, for me it'd probably go something like Walther PPQ, Walther PPS, Glock 26 Gen 4, XDS 3.3 & Shield..in that order. That of course is just the guns i've actually used.
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The reasons I went with M&P
1. Ergonomics
2. Accurate
3. Reliable
I realize the triggers are not the best out of the box. I got a Pro Series 4.25 inch and the trigger is better than stock and it comes with night sights. I am still going to put an Apex FSS kit in and put the Pro parts in the 9c we just got.
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I love both M&P's and GLOCK'S. The only difference I see in mine is that the grip feels a little more comfortable on the M&P's. I own 2 M&P's and three GLOCK'S and have made changes to all of them to do with the triggers, but they all shoot very well and they are all fun to shoot.
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I have a glock 30 that I have carried and shot for a couple years now. Never the first problem with the glock in any way. Recently bought an M&P VTAC and have only shot it about 50 times up to this point. All being said the glock is a bit thick and a little big for my hand. But very reliable and trust worthy!
The M&P fits my hand much better with the slimmer frame. However as many have mentioned the trigger on the M&P is not as good feeling to me as the glock in several ways, pull isn't as crisp,resset is not nearly as good, and to me the trigger has a lil creep in it. I personally feel that if I pay out 700 for a gun made by such a company as Smith and Weason. I should never have to even think about upgrading the trigger to make it just as well as other cheaper production guns.. Period. Smith kinda let's me down on that one.
All said both guns shoot great I probably shoot a little better with the Smith but it's a 9mm and the glock is a .45 in a compact package. So not surprising there. The Smith feels better in my hand and as many have said it's just a personal preference. Perfectly honest if I knew my life would be on the line and both pistols available, the one in my hand would be the glock. It's just proven.

Both are great guns and you cannot go wrong with either!

I will add that my hot weather carry gun is now a Springfield XDS 9mm. Yet another great gun in a smaller package. ...... The debate goes on n on. Lol


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I'm new to the M&P Shield, coming from a Glock 19, 4th Gen. I'm really happy with the size of the Shield and being able to carry truly concealed.

Currently I'm still testing shooting the Shield. I guess time will tell which I prefer the most, the M&P Shield vs. the Glock 19.
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I'm always amazed when gun enthusiasts start to promote their gun makes/models the same way they promote sports teams ... and seemingly for the same subjective personal (and biased) reasons.

To be fair, though, I suppose if I hadn't been a firearms instructor and armorer for different makes/models for some years, I'd probably be heavily influenced by small samplings & data-sets of personal experience, what I heard at gun stores, 1 or 2 LE agency second-hand tales, etc.

Having worked as an armorer for different makes and models, though, and having seen a pretty wide representation of those and other makes of guns come through years of qual/training ranges ... I'm don't wave flags with the same ardent, unwavering loyalty as some other folks.

As an armorer for both Glock and the M&P pistol series, and as an owner of a few of both lines, I have some likes & dislikes for both. Who wouldn't?

Glock has been working hard to continue to revise their design since they managed to get their toehold in the LE market in the late 80's. The newest Gen4 guns have certainly benefited from continuing revisions, tweaks and improvements.

The M&P, since it's official release at the beginning of '06, and rapidly growing adoption by LE agencies, has also continued to benefited from continual revisions, improvements, parts changes, and so forth. Actually, it's pretty amazing how quickly the engineers have responded to a lot of user feedback in so short a time.

I don't sweat the differences in brands, manufacturing and features as much as some other guys & gals, it seems. I just want the guns to work in the greatest variety of user hands as possible, and have the owners/issued users learn to have the least amount of adverse influence on their weapons as possible (being able to maintain a firearm isn't genetic, it's a learned skill, despite what some folks might wish to believe).

Glock has developed a lot of established marketing since their introduction.

S&W has had to work through the Sigma years, and then look like they weren't "riding the coat-tails" of Walther during the years of their licensed production of the SW99/990L series. (Did you know that there are still at least a small number of LE agencies who haven't transitioned away from the SW99's? I heard they're still maintaining the armorer class for those remaining agencies ... and I rather suspect they've offered to replace any remaining 99's with new M&P's. )

As an armorer for both gun lines I maintain a fair stock of service/repair parts, and I've used them for both. (Ditto for the 99 series, too.)

If they ever make a duty gun that will never require replacement, maintenance or repair parts ... sign me up.

In the meantime? I'll continue to place periodic orders for armorer parts, "raid" factory rep & armorer instructor parts boxes and make calls for unexpected repair parts that aren't frequently needed, but happen when least expected.

Pick what you like, for the reasons you like. Hopefully they're based in some practicality and have been made as the result of an informed choice ... but people can be unpredictable and interesting, to say the least.

If someone feels they really require some degree of external validation about their choice of gun (getting the agreement of other owners, or deliberately denigrating the dissimilar choices of other owners/users) ... maybe they aren't spending enough time on some training/practice range, and working to develop and maintain their mindset, knowledge of the laws, etc.

I have both Glocks and M&P's, as I've said. I've had to service, repair and replace parts in both. Go figure.

I shoot both well, too. It's a training thing.

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Just because one brand of firearm has good qualities it doesn't diminish the quality of a different brand. They each stand on their own merit. I always find it interesting when a positive post about one brand of firearm brings the criticism of others who prefer a different brand.

Having said that, I'm a big fan of GLOCK firearms. The only M&P I own is a Shield 9mm. Why the Shield? That is because GLOCK doesn't make a single stack 9mm.

Does that make the M&P line any less of a firearm? Nope... I just like the feel, the trigger, and the available accessories for my GLOCKs. Additionally, as a retired military member I am eligible for GLOCK's "Blue Label" discount program. This means I can get one for $80-$100 below average retail. I've yet to see S&W offer me a similar discount.

With regard to reliability, I've never had any of my GLOCKs experience a malfunction. That is after owning eight guns with the first purchased in 1996. Not a single bobble. One word "Perfection".

OBTW if it is any consolation, I don't own any GLOCK revolvers.

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I like both brands and pick one brand over the other for reasons that benefit me. That said I now have a couple of examples of both lines because the individual pieces I spent my money on best filled what I was looking for at that time. You could add lots of other brands to the brand pool I have chosen from over the years.
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To me glocks are like putting a perfect carry trigger on a brick. The triggers great but who cares if it's awkward to hold. The M&P is the exact opposite great ergonomics not so great trigger. If someone could cram a glock trigger in an M&P they would have a winner
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Yup, I'm asking it--BUT--it's not the kind of thread you may think it is...

I like Glocks. Good guns. Simple, reliable, accurate. I've owned a fair number of them and have to admit the G17L I owned for a while was a helluva gun. Made me look like a better shooter than I really am, and honestly, I'm not all that terrible.

Their grip doesnt suit me-I like the angle, but it feels like a two by four.

I. LOVE. THE. TRIGGER. RESET. OF. GLOCKS.

Period.

Short and very positive. Good stuff.

For those who have owned Glocks and switched to M&Ps-why the switch?

Does the steel sub-assembly of the M&P feel more robust? Do the controls feel a little more substantial?

I have to admit, Glocks feel a little cheap when I disassemble them for cleaning. One of the best feeling polymer guns in terms of build quality (is that an oxymoron?) Was a Steyr. Horrible trigger, weird sights, poor reliability. Felt like a polymer Rolls Royce otherwise.

I have an irrational desire to own a poly gun again. I'm a steel kind of guy, so this makes no sense to me.

I'm a member of this forum for a reason-I like S&W.

Tell me why you prefer the M&P over Glock or others. I'd like to hear your opinions and experiences.

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Glock set the standard to which all others aspire to this day...which pretty well sums it up.
Glock is all about form following function...if it isn't needed, leave it out, if it is needed, include it on a purely functional basis...which is why Glocks tend to deliver superior reliability.
While I don't own a current gen of a centerfire M&P I have owned a few S&W autos in the past and they were all exceedingly reliable. Did I fire a bazillion rounds through them to prove this? Nope, but they never failed during the number of rounds I did shoot through them and that is what REALLY matters.
But what Glock has done is break down the process to it's most elemental form...which means NOBODY ELSE can do it "better" they can only do it differently.
I own Glocks and carry them...I'm IMPRESSED with them.
IF I owned an S&W M&P centerfire I would very likely be equally impressed with them!
I DO own the M&P 22 pistol which is a very well-built, full-size pistol with all the features of its larger siblings and it has been a reliable shooter with ZERO malfunctions in 1200 rounds.
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I currently own four Glocks and have had one or two others that I no longer own. I just put money down on an M&P Shield 9mm, because Glock still does not make a 9mm single stack. I like my Glocks very much, but they are not perfect. I like them for their ease to work on, availability of parts and accessories, and, in my experience, their complete reliability.

I do not like the finger grooves/bumps, because I have quite broad hands and my fat fingers don't fit into those finger grooves well. My favorite pistol is my G19 with a customized grip (finger bumps removed and grip retextured).

I frequently pocket carry a G26, but I got the Shield to take its place in that role. I'm really looking forward to getting to know my new pistol.
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I had a shield 40 and hated it, have a glock 17 gen 3 and love it.... yea yea i know apples to oranges but just sharing my experience lol. Looking for a new edc now so once again looking at m&p's
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I like my full-size M&P 40 better than my G21SF,but I like my G23/G19 better than my M&P.Purely a pistol-to-pistol preferrence for me.I feel perfectly comfortable using either in a CCW or Home Defense role.
I also own both..could not have said it better. Glock's are much easier to (completely) disassemble and you can get tons of OEM and after market parts anywhere.
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I had Glocks but now M&P`s they are better looking..handle recoil much better...and with Apex a much better trigger...they have a better grip...if you have Godzilla hands you may like the Glocks...

Glock doesn`t have a single stack 9mm....

Glocks are not the only game in town now...All that said Glocks are good guns..
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Tried a G19. Liked the trigger, hated the feel. Tried a M&P 9C. Liked the feel, wasn't crazy about the trigger. Ruger SR9C. Loved the feel and trigger. Been carrying it for over a year with my backup J Frame
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I have one of each, a Glock 19 and an M&P 45. Both are very good, but I like the texture on the gen 4 Glocks better than the relatively smooth texture on the M&P. I had an M&P9 but replaced it with the Glock 19 because or reliability issues. The Glock 19 has not had those issues. My M&P45 has been flawless.
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I own 5 Glocks (17, 19, 20, 22, 23 allgen4) and 4 M&P's (9mm FS, .40 FS, 2 Shields 9mm). I started IDPA shooting the G17 but endedup switching to the M&P 9mm FS due to the ergos and comfort of the M&P. I still very much like my Glocks and am in no hurry to get rid of them as they are very reliable guns. I have my Shield for my EDC (and 1 for my wife). I was EDC the G19 but found that it was a bit too wide / thick for total comfort and I got the Shield. I am VERY happy with the Shield for EDC in an IWB holster. Don't even know it is there. I know that many will say the same for the G19 but for ME, the Shield is much better.

I agree that both are very solid firearms. Both are good companies, Glock and S&W are huge names in firearms. Both shoot very well. Like others have said it comes down to ergonomics and triggers. The Glock stock trigger wins...hands down. The grip / ergo of the M&P wins hands down. SO, how to decide........ I put APEX triggers in the M&P's and now they are the "better" choice for me. The Glock grip angle and feel can only be adjusted, not changed or swapped.
The Glock breaks own very easily and is no issue at all. The M&P fieldstrips fairly easily too but is more of a challenge for complete breakdown.
I do not "see" a winner here, just a choice that will be different for each shooter. Neither is the "wrong" choice. For me it came down to comfort and accuracy. The accuracy was VERY close but the comfort was not. The M&P just plain feels better in my hand. Not even close. I still like my Glocks but for my EDC and match shooting I choose M&P.
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It's simple. The M&P is what the Glock should have evolved into, but didn't. Both are solid pistols. The M&P just happens to be better.

I also hate the polygonal rifling on a Glock. No need for it.
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except for the slightly higher velocity...and arguable accuracy both from the tighter seal...

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except for the slightly higher velocity...and arguable accuracy both from the tighter seal...

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Exactly. A few fps and potential for slightly better accuracy in a combat pistol is not worth the trade off IMHO. If you need an extra 50 fps velocity, buy a something more powerful or learn how to shoot. If you want better accuracy, buy a target pistol.
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do you mean the tradeoff being going GLOCK???...because S&W certainly could use polygonal rifling...

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I can't tell you about the M&P, but I sure like my SD better than Glocks.
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I also hate the polygonal rifling on a Glock. No need for it.
Easier to do when barrels are hammer forged. Costs them less.
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My M&Ps in MY hands are easily the equal in accuracy of the Glocks I used to own, and are much more comfortable to shoot. There's no way I'd choose the polygonal rifling for a POSSIBLE slight increase in accuracy at the expense of PROVEN issues shooting lead.
Both manufacturers have a few "holes" in their lineups. Glock doesn't have a SS 9mm, and M&P doesn't have a 10mm!
I've owned many Glocks (17, 34, 35, 22, 27, 21, 30, 20) and they're all gone now since I started shooting and competing with the M&Ps. The M&P simply shoots better for me.
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I think it's pretty safe to say very seldom are you going to get unbiased answers to things like this on brand specific forums. Like if you were to go post this on glock talk the responses would be the exact opposite. Same on the beretta forums, etc.
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I think it's pretty safe to say very seldom are you going to get unbiased answers to things like this on brand specific forums. Like if you were to go post this on glock talk the responses would be the exact opposite. Same on the beretta forums, etc.
Yeah, many gun enthusiasts tend to promote & support their favorite brands like they do their favorite sports teams.

Guns are like boots. Pick something you like and can afford, or just use what you're given and make it work. Some may be better than others when it comes to mission-specific needs, established user familiarity (without time for more training), availability, support, etc ... but it's just another short gun being used for short gun tasks, right?

Guns are just equipment, but investing in the user can pay longer term dividends than the short term cost of some piece of equipment that comes in a box.

Easier for many enthusiasts to admire the contents of what comes in the box, though.
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I am I long time glock guy. I own and have owned several in 9mm, .40, and .45 caliber. I was issued a G17 and G19 when I worked for my uncle out of the country. Of all the weapons I have handeled over the years a glock is the most reliable I have used.
that said I have recently picked up a .45c m&p for carry. I like the g30 but the m&p is has a better feel to it. It isn't slimmer but it feels like it is. I hated the trigger but dropped an apex aluminum trigger which is better than the glock trigger imo. Having used and trained on glocks for so long I have alway performed better with glocks than other types of pistols. I don't really notice an degradation in my performance with m&p but I have not spent a lot of time shooting it yet.
All said I will be keeping my glocks but will carry my m&p. I see another m&p in my future too.
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My M&P 40 fits my hand like a glove. Light weight, accurate, looks beautiful to me too. Never had a FTF, FTE. It always hits the target. Lovely utility player. I'd carry this pistol over any other I've ever owned.
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My primary shooter for the longest time was a Glock 17 and after more than two decades, if I'm going deep into the woods alone, that stalwart companion's coming along--I trust it intrinsically. I have a very sweet Glock 27 that came with with a nickel boron slide and barrel at no extra cost that I've come to like--it's very low maintainance and quite accurate for its size.

All that said, my primary shooter/carry pistol around town is now an M&P 40c. Maybe over time, it will prove as reliable as the Glocks--so far, so good. I think I got a slightly better than normal trigger out of the box, but my Glock's still have smoother triggers overall.

Personally, I can work around the difference in triggers and as said, I prefer the M&P and that's because it just feels a bit better (ergonomically) in my hands than do the Glocks. I can carry it and draw an M&P easier--it feels more like a natural extension of my body than do Glocks. The Glocks feel a bit cold and blocky in comparison, even though I'm used to them.

As I shoot the M&P more and more, the trigger is breaking in a bit but I've never been much for 'trigger jobs'. I knew it wasn't a Sig or HK going in and didn't want to make it into such.

I feel that in a way, a gun to an experienced shooter is like a musicial instrument to a practiced musician--if you learn to work well with what's in your hands with good fundamental skills, you can get good results with a variety of equipment. Some of the greatest musicians, as well as photographers (Ansel Adams for one) spoke very strongly on how you don't need expensive equipment to get wonderful results--it's how you sense things--how you work with what's in your hands. I feel that way about guns.

From when I was old enough to hold a rifle--a Daisy BB gun that I was able to shoot down clothes lines or shooting from the hip, take out frogs with (bad, I know)--I have felt that a lot of times, it's more the user than the equipment itself that determines results. I'm glad I came up poor and had some real low budget guns, as it taught me to work with and appreciate what I had, then as well as now.
Great reply! I registered because I got chills reading your post. I was thinking the exact same thing! It's all about how you "work with what is in your hands." I am a 90s era Vet (Log Dog!). I became proficient with what was issued to me- whether it was the M16A1, A2, Beretta, etc.... Regardless of which one I liked better.

Please don't take this the wrong way. It's your money, and you now have a choice, but do not rely on others' opinions. You have to decide for yourself! I don't know about everyone else, but price point DOES play a role for me!

BTW, I own a Glock 22 (bought in 1993) and a Glock 23 (2015). I have owned several lesser quality pistols over this time (Hi Points, etc.) I looked long and hard at the M&P line, and I may try one in the near future after I upgrade my aging Mossberg 500 12 gauge combo (circa 1993) and SKS Russian paratrooper assault rifle (maybe on this one purchased in 1994).

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I got carried away, and neglected to make my point. I choose Glock because now it feels like "issue" to me! LOL
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Old 04-09-2015, 03:17 PM
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Wellll, I shot competitively for many years and still shoot every day. I fought the Glock platform for years. Derned thing pointed the front sight HIGH when pushed on the clock. Too many rounds fired with 1911 with flat mainspring housings and crisp triggers. Then I was given an article written by Chuck Taylor. He hated the Glock and set about proving what a contraption it was. He purchased one off the shelf and started shooting it. At round count 300,000 he had had 0 malfunctions and had replaced the front sight several times from wearing it off smooth from drawing it. So, I decided to try one. I bought a G17. Trigger was awful, spongy, squishy, went spoing, front sight pointing into the sky. I gave up! Many years went by, Taylor's round count kept getting higher, I tried again. This time with an Advantage Arms 22 conversion. 5,000+ rounds later I had her whipped. Then I started whitteling on it. Cut enough off the backstrap to bring that front sight down. As Doc Holliday said...Looks Like We Win....Put up all steel, ivory and stag gripped GOOD guns and replaced them with 8 Glocks. All have been "mortified" to fit my 1911 hand. When I heard that Gunsite Staff had been to S&W to confer on their new plastic gun my attention was at condition Orange. I got hold of the first M&P in this part of the world and BEHOLD....it fit!! It felt perfect, right circumference, right angle, just RIGHT. I got one. It ran great, shot where it looked and felt good. Later got the first Shield available here....see above. Anyway, they are both gone now. Not because they didn't do just fine but I was to invested in the Glock platform. We shoot everyday here, weather permitting and while my round count is not CLOSE to Chuck's, we have had no firearms related issues , none. My only negative remark about M&P is , they are terribly busy inside that lower. If you skeeered, say you skeeeered. I'm skeeered .
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Old 04-09-2015, 08:19 PM
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To me glocks are like putting a perfect carry trigger on a brick. The triggers great but who cares if it's awkward to hold. The M&P is the exact opposite great ergonomics not so great trigger. If someone could cram a glock trigger in an M&P they would have a winner
They have it's called APEX.

M&P + APEX = Winner.
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Old 04-09-2015, 09:12 PM
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They have it's called APEX.

M&P + APEX = Winner.
Makes the shield quite a bit ezpensive with a new apex trigger
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Old 04-09-2015, 10:12 PM
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I'm just really simple on this.

The Glock has the better trigger from the factory. If you want the trigger tuned the M&P can be made better, but the same time and effort will still produce an even better than that trigger on the Glock- Glock wins.

The M&P has better ergonomics to most people. To me the grip is better, no finger grooves that only fit a certain percentage of the population, and the aforementioned Glock trigger guard can produce "Glock Knuckle" (it certainly does on me till the dremel comes out). -M&P Wins

Parts and support. To me sights are much easier to change on the Glocks, and Glock and a dozen suppliers will sell you any part made for the Glock, and it does not take much schmoozing to even get approved to become a "Certified Glock Armorer". S/W is more picky on this and parts are little more difficult to come by.- If you do your own work Glock wins, if not, does not matter.

Two awesome pistols so similar it's hard to pick a loser in my book. You can go through list of minor things 98 pages long if you like, still I bet it ends up virtually a tie.
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Old 04-10-2015, 10:33 AM
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Ginger or Mary Ann?
Ferrari vs Lambo?

I love my G17 and Glock makes the BEST 9mm in my opinion. I am picking up my M&P45 FS today and am really hoping I didn't make a mistake getting this over a G21.
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Old 04-12-2015, 11:10 AM
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Depends on the caliber. In 9mm I will take the Gen 4 Glock 19. In 45 the M&P feels much better in the hand. Do not have those Glock 45 beefy grips I cannot get my hands around.
Both are really good guns. Glock probably is the most proven; but the M&P is coming around slowly.
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