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Old 02-15-2012, 10:36 PM
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I've been thinking I really need an M&P 22 for training purposes. I was reading the S&W literature and it said the 22 is single action. Is it a single action pistol or is the action the same as its bigger brothers?

Also, what is the chance that magazines from S&W's older 22s such the model 41 or the 422 would work in this pistol?
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:45 PM
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I know the mags from a 41 are different, I don't believe others will work either.
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Old 02-16-2012, 12:48 AM
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The M&P22 pistol is a single-action hammer-fired semi-automatic. While externally it resembles the other M&P pistols, it has a completely different action, and the safety is required just as on any single-action hammer-fired pistol, such as a 1911.
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:08 PM
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Good deal. Still thinking I need one.
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I'm picking one up Saturday and looking forward to cleaning & shooting it.
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I just wonder how similar the trigger would be to my 9mm m&p compact which, of course, is da only. I mean if you are using the 22 as a training pistol wouldn't you want it to be da also? I would like to get one but am curious about the trigger pull similarities.
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Visually and functionally, the M&P.22 is nearly identical to the rest of the M&P line. The primary alteration? S&W has opted for internal hammer-fire versus duplicating the striker-fire system found in other M&P’s. Why the change? In testing, they found the striker-fire system to be problematic with the .22lr cartridge, and moved to solve the problem before it presented itself. Kudos to them.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:41 AM
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I wonder what problems the striker-fire system gave them? I have looked at the ruger sr22 pistol and it is da. I don't know what they did differently than smith to avoid problems with it. To me the ruger is a little closer to my m&p compact in dimension and trigger pull than the m&p 22, which is like a full size pistol. Anyone else have any thoughts on the ruger as a trainer for the m&p9c?
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Correction, the ruger is da/sa actually.
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The Ruger SR22 pistol is also hammer-fired, not striker fired. Unlike the M&P22, its hammer is exposed, not enclosed within the slide.

The M&P centerfire pistols are NOT, in any way, shape, or form, a double-action (DA) pistol. Single-action (SA) triggers perform only one function - to drop the hammer/striker. Double-action triggers both cock and fire the hammer/striker. Unless your striker-fired pistol has "second-strike" capability it is not double-action.

Too much confusion has been put out there because most striker-fired pistols either partially or fully cock the striker when cycled. The partially cocked versions are erroneously called double action since the trigger pull finishes cocking the striker. However, since these pistols cannot be fired once the striker has been dropped without cycling the slide, they are in no way double action.
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That is a very understandable explanation of Single, double and Striker action.

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The trigger pull on my M&P22 (while hammer based) is still a reasonable approximation of the striker fired M&P trigger pull. They have similar take up, pull weight and travel. They both break clean with little over travel. I think the M&P22 makes a good trainer for the M&P 9mm/40/45 but note that sans recoil / muzzle flip the benefit of a training gun is limited. Didn't stop me from buying one however. Plus it's just plain fun!
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while not a TDA or DAO gun, most striker-fire guns are usually classified as a DA because pulling the trigger complete's the cocking and firing of the gun. the Glock is a good example of this. The M&P is almost fully cocked, but with the shape of the sear, it causes the striker back a little more. This allows it to be classified as a "DA" of sorts.

IMO, striker fire should be it's own classification, but there are variances to striker fired guns as well, such as the XD/XDm is a single action striker fired gun.
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Thanks for the posts explaining striker fire vs da only pistols. I never really knew the difference, I just thought it was two ways of saying the same thing. Obviously it can make a big difference it trying to clear a ftf. With a da pistol a second trigger pull may fire the round where a striker fire must be cleared. Thanks again for the clear explanation.
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mlk18 thanks for the post explaining the similarities between the m&p22 and 9mm. I was torn between the sr22 ruger and the m&p and now i'm settled on the m&p! Now i just have to find one!
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Regarding your question on mag compatibility, I have both a 622 and an M&P 22. The mags are not interchangeable.
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Not too much to add, just need to show off .

They are great little guns, I shot mine suppressed just an hour or so ago.
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That is a very understandable explanation of Single, double and Striker action.

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Not to me, it's not. Simple question: If you pull the trigger twice without racking the slide, and the hammer audibly falls both times, it is NOT single-action! If this is true it is DA0 and has no similarity with a SA 1911 whatsoever.
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Not to me, it's not. Simple question: If you pull the trigger twice without racking the slide, and the hammer audibly falls both times, it is NOT single-action! If this is true it is DA0 and has no similarity with a SA 1911 whatsoever.

I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I think you and PCnotPC are in violent agreement. His post, referenced as "a very understandable explanation," points out that if the trigger both cocks and releases the hammer/striker, the weapon is double-action, which is what you seem to be saying, as well.


Am I missing something? You two seem to agree on the double-action definition.
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Not to me, it's not. Simple question: If you pull the trigger twice without racking the slide, and the hammer audibly falls both times, it is NOT single-action! If this is true it is DA0 and has no similarity with a SA 1911 whatsoever.
The M&P22 and M&P22c are hammer fired single action. The slide or bolt cocks the hammer and the trigger releases it. There is no second strike capability.

What leads you to believe either of them is double action?
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