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Old 02-26-2012, 02:15 PM
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I am annoyed with S&W. I was in in the market for a new handgun. I was really interested in the M&P. I wanted and M&P 45 at first, just because it was a goodíole American round. I reviewed what I really wanted the gun for an came to a conclusion that I wanted a 9mm cause I mainly want a gun to go to the range and shoot without spending a fortune. So that is what I went for. I was watching Guns and Gear last summer and saw the M&P and its cool features like the adjustable palm swells and the mag safety ect. I also really liked the style of the gun itself. I also was looking at the XD9 and for comparison the G17.
I went to my local range to see if I could rent all three gun and give them a little test drive, if you will. I rented the XD first. What a ***. No way no how. The XD had a reset or lack there of. I wanted a gun with a short reset for double tapping and I light trigger for sure. Next I got the G17, besides the grip it was an all around great performer. I really wanted the M&P though. I got the M&P next. First off, I was loading the mag. The mag was nothing like my Sigma mag. It was very hard to load and this is on a fairly used gun. Next I when to put the mag into the gun, not slamming it in, just slipping it into the handle. The slide closed without me doing anything. This would have made the guys day in the lane next to me get really ugly if for some reason I had my finger on the trigger. I did not like this at all. I even loaded it with different ammo and even with just 1 round and it did the same thing. The trigger pull is long and the reset is so slight you really donít know it came at all. It is not very accurate either. It is also more difficult to keep on target than the other two I mentioned.
The reason why I am annoyed at S&W is, they put this gun up against a gun that had a fabulous reputation already as far as reliability, dependability, weight, etc. and then as a final output they give the consumer that has been loyal for more than 5 years is this ***. Now the really great thing that S&W had was the warranty. Not the case anymore, Glock has the same warranty, lifetime. So really needed to pick up their game with the product they are putting out to us. They did not.
I really like my SW40VE. I have put more rounds through this gun than I have through any other and not one failure or feature I was not expecting for the price. I mean I have not had 1 failure. Itís a great gun for what I bought it for.
The M&P is double, +, the price, less safe, same accuracy, and so on. I feel like I was getting the shaft if I got this gun. I will want to purchase another gun I a few months. I will be looking a S&W as always. This next gun is going to be o n the higher end, for me at least. S&W really needs to go back to the drawing board and step up there game and come out with a gun that is not a make shift copy of another gun, but is beyond the quality, functionality, and reliability of the rest, kind of like they were at one point last century.
This time I bought the G17. Iíll give my report after I try to make this gun fail with a few hundred boxes of crappy ammo.
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I don't have any time behind an MP.....but I deal with a dept of about 150 glocks and and academy with 30 glocks.

A large marjority of them will release the slide upon mag insertion. Finger should never be on your trigger when changing mags.

Not trying to argue....just letting you know Glocks do the same.

Wear, tolerances or lack of on stamped parts could be the factors.

On duty and comp....I carried/y a SW45 and 1911 since 1998.....I cant recall the slide releasing upon mag insertion.

Good luck on your next gun purchase.

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First of all I hat rented guns at gun stores. They get abused by people who know nothing about guns and usually not cleaned or taken care of by the store. At least that is my observation and experience. I would never judge a gun by how it performed as a rental. That said, I own an M&P .45 with more than 5000 rounds down range with it. I have never had 1 problem. No slides releases when I put the mag in. Never a FTL or FTT. Nothing. It has performed flawlessly and at 25' it can shoot 2" groups all day long. So enjoy your Glock... you missed a great gun by using very limited data. Did you ever post up here to see what owners here thought of M&P's and what their experiences were or is the Gun Rental your only data point? I think Glock's are fine too. In fact I think Glock's and the M&P are very even and it comes down to personal choice. I chose the American made M&P from S&W over the European model and couldn't be happier.
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[QUOTE=mbliss57;136371378]Did you ever post up here to see what owners here thought of M&P's and what their experiences were QUOTE]

Yes I did actually. The slide thing is a common problem with the M&P's, so I have found out. The M&P I fired at the store was a fairly new one. They have had it there for about 3 weeks they said. The thing about the used guns at the range is, they have been abused and that is a good judge of how the gun is going to be for you in ten years. I also wanted the really short reset without having to do a $159 trigger job (Apex). I have S&Ws. I am just disappointed when they make a gun an put it into a class that is not even close. They puit the Sigma into the Glock class and that was a good idea, $300 gun vs a $600 gun. when they put it imto a class dollar for dollar they were out matched by a long shot. I will consider S&W again as I said. I hope the try to get out of this polymer class and go back to making real guns, they were so good at it. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it. If they want to get into light weight guns they should try to make a Carbon Fiber gun. That would be something special.
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I own an M&P45 and also have not had a single FTF/FTE. Mine will close the slide upon forcefully loading a magazine, but only when it's slammed home. I've spent quite a bit of time behind Glock's and they in all honesty are not the gun for me. They are uncomfortable in my hand. I know several people that own them and have had great luck with them. However my brother in law sold his G26 because it regularly FTF and stove pipe. No manufacturer has ever produced a firearm that 100% of the production runs were completely reliable. As far you trigger comparison of your Sigma and a rental M&P goes. I have probably about 500 rnds through that same model Sigma. The M&P trigger is far superior to the Sigma in my opinion. I think the Sigma trigger is more than excessively long and to heavy. Just my opinion.

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The reason why I am annoyed at S&W is, they put this gun up against a gun that had a fabulous reputation already as far as reliability, dependability, weight, etc. and then as a final output they give the consumer that has been loyal for more than 5 years is this ***.
My experience could not be any more opposite of yours. I have a half dozen M&P's which have all proven to be excellent guns and awesome performers. Accuracy and reliability have been exceptional and the ergonomics are top notch. After extensive testing and evaluation (and constant issues with .40s&w Glock's) my agency adopted the M&P and won't be looking back. I appreciate that an American company is now making a service gun worthy of my duty holster.
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For some interesting comparisons between the M&P and Glock, check out the ATI Armorers course on You Tube. Good stuff.
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I almost gotta laugh when I stumble upon these kind of threads.. unfortunately there is nothing funny about a review so negative and far off base that I have to question the validity of the information. But then, that's why I keep an open mind and swish it around before making my judgement. Ok, I'm done.... I own 4 of these M&P's... there is a bit of truth to what I just read.. but daaaamn it sure is exaggerated in my book... and that's all I gots to say. I can't wait until the next excuse I get to buy another M&P..
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I recently retired from a department that issued Glock 22’s. We however could carry just about anything we wanted, if we bought it ourselves. I just stuck with the Glock. I’m an IPSC and other action shooter, where I compete with a pair of Wilson Combat 1911’s in 45 acp. I would really have preferred the 1911 at work too, but I like free stuff, if it works well.
There’s what I recognize, as horrible cop mentality, of not buying your own stuff, or doing training your not paid for.

Anyway while still employed I T&E’d the Smith line of new M&P auto loaders. I really liked them, but found I was so used to the Glock trigger I had to work harder to shoot them well. I never had a slide slam shut when loading a Mag into one of the M&P’s. I have many times with Glocks when I’m stressed and running the gun hard.

My department refused to consider an M&P with frame mounted safety. This would have been my preference.

I think M&P’s and Glocks are on a par with each other quality wise.
However the only reason I’d buy an M&P over a Glock would be to get the Frame Mounted Safety.

Just my experience, yours may vary.
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wow surprised to read such a negative review....I have 4 M&P's and love them. Yes the slide does shut on mag insertion but if you read any reviews here you would know that this is the way they were designed to operate. The part about unsafe would only apply "if you had your finger on the trigger while you inserted the magazine" No safety issue on the guns part but "yours". Also, range guns are abused to say the least. I am not saying that your assessment is wrong but do think that it is biases by trying a gun that obviously you had not read the manual for and did not have a good representation of. Try a new one or one that has been properly maintained and approach the slide activation during magazine insertion with an open mind and you may find that you actually like the M&P's......
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wow surprised to read such a negative review....I have 4 M&P's and love them. Yes the slide does shut on mag insertion but if you read any reviews here you would know that this is the way they were designed to operate. The part about unsafe would only apply "if you had your finger on the trigger while you inserted the magazine" No safety issue on the guns part but "yours". Also, range guns are abused to say the least. I am not saying that your assessment is wrong but do think that it is biases by trying a gun that obviously you had not read the manual for and did not have a good representation of. Try a new one or one that has been properly maintained and approach the slide activation during magazine insertion with an open mind and you may find that you actually like the M&P's......
x2 on everythng you said here. I have a 5" Pro Series and don't have any issues with it, and yes, my slide releases on magazine insertion. Mine has no thumb safety or magazine safety either and like it this way. Can't wait to get a Pro Series in .40 S&W.
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My new M&P does the "slide slams forward on insertion of magazine" trick. So does my Glock 22. It's only a bad thing if you are disgracefully sloppy with reloading, leaving your finger on the trigger, not keeping your weapon pointed downrange at all times. In a firefight, the slide releasing itself upon magazine insertion might conceivably be kind of convenient. Thus far, I'm liking the trigger pull better than the Glock's, and I'm not experiencing the accuracy issues you are claiming.
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I've had an M&P 45 since 2009. I have put just over 5000 rounds thru it without a malfunction. It has become my favorite pistol. I love the ergonomics over a Glock. I've had the slide go forward when I slam in a fresh magazine, but far less often than I've had it happen on Glocks. The trigger on mine is a little heavier than a Glock's but it was never what I would call gritty or heavy. I have a lot more experience with Glocks (25 years) and have seen that they occassionally seem to get rushed getting guns to market and things get out the door that shouldn't. I should also point out that the Glock 4th Generation pistol hasn't been as well received because it has had some reliability issues. I think that they've got those bugs worked out, but they never should have had those issues in the first place. I've carried a Glock in a lot of rough places and they've held up well, especially my 1st Gen 17. I'm not surprised that S&W lets something slip by once in a while. I've seen it with their revolvers back in the 70s and 80s; and with their 1st -3rd Gen conventional pistols. Its is my opinion that the M&P is their best semi-auto yet.
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There are those who like and appreciate the M&Ps. then there those who wouldnt know a good pistol if it bit them on the butt...
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I love the "automatic" slide release. I think it makes it actually safer than having to awkwardly release the slide. As others have mentioned, other guns do this as well but most need a much harder slap of the magazine. I think that is more unsafe.
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Many semi-autos will "auto forward" when the mag is slammed home. MOST semi-autos can be made to "auto-forward" after a little bit of wear. I don't believe this would be a reason for me to not choose a particular platform.
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You did make the right choice. I carry a M&P 45 piece of junk everyday. I have layer out my agency's problems here multiple times. Im on my second one. Everyone here tells me I'm crazy, there's no way the M&P is junk etc. All I can do is laugh. Last March at qualification numerous pistols were pulled from service on the spot due to various reasons. Everyone will chime in and suggest 100,000 reasons OTHER than the gun is junk to explain all the failures.

Personally I am a big time 3rd generation guy. We traded our 4566s for this thing.

Anyway, your original notion that the M&P is junk is correct. I will wager the majority of the posters after me will pontificate about how THEY have never had problems with theirs, the ________ police department is issuing it so it can't be junk, and a slew of reasons why it isn't junk. I wonder if they're doing it to feel better about the money they spent, the choice they made, or out of brand loyalty?
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You did make the right choice. I carry a M&P 45 piece of junk everyday. I have layer out my agency's problems here multiple times. Im on my second one. Everyone here tells me I'm crazy, there's no way the M&P is junk etc. All I can do is laugh. Last March at qualification numerous pistols were pulled from service on the spot due to various reasons. Everyone will chime in and suggest 100,000 reasons OTHER than the gun is junk to explain all the failures.

Personally I am a big time 3rd generation guy. We traded our 4566s for this thing.

Anyway, your original notion that the M&P is junk is correct. I will wager the majority of the posters after me will pontificate about how THEY have never had problems with theirs, the ________ police department is issuing it so it can't be junk, and a slew of reasons why it isn't junk. I wonder if they're doing it to feel better about the money they spent, the choice they made, or out of brand loyalty?
One might ask the same type of questions as to why you are taking such a derogatory tone. Because obviously, since YOUR gun had a problem, that, by default, makes every other M&P that was ever made, a piece of "junk", right? Never mind the fact that many people are happy with their M&P's, right? Since you've proclaimed them "junk", they must be.

The problem is, even if what you claim is true, the tone you've taken sounds more like sour grapes than anything else, and will probably be treated as such by most of the people who read your reply. I would guess your attitude is the reason why you aren't being taken seriously.
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LOL.....I hear ya tough guy. Maybe if you knew the extent of our agency's problems you would be able to speak a little more intelligently about OUR (not exclusively MY) problems.

FYI, ALL of our agency's guns were recalled. EVERY single one. Some guys are on their fourth and fifth gun. But I guess I still don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote. I never said I wasnt a fan EXCLUSIVELY because of.my experiences. Remember reading is fundamental.

We (again, the agency not just me) suffered sights that fell off, failure to fire, extract, eject, and feed. Profuse rust, premature wear, and deterioration of the polymer around the hole the grip pin goes in. S&W and the distributor exchanged all (again, the entire agency's not just mine) of our guns. We have further exchanged guns that were exchanged once and sometimes twice.

I understand people get sensitve when another criticizes products/choices they make. Don't take it so personal guy. Im tickled yours is everything you want it to be and more. Mine not so much.
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Yeah, my piece of junk M&P .40 Full Size has only fired 15,000 rounds downrange in USPSA/IDPA without any problems at all. Can you imagine the gall of S&W to make such a disaster?

And what idiot engineer/designer came up with the idea of a slide forwarding upon magazine insertion? Why... it can take seconds off a reload and who in the world needs that? Nobody needs that kind of speed....

I just don't understand why S&W would design a gun with THAT kind of reliability or have a trigger that gets better every time you fire it!

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PS. It also angers me deeply that they have to have three different backstraps in order to fit someone!! Why couldn't they have one size fits all like everyone else?
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LOL.....I hear ya tough guy. Maybe if you knew the extent of our agency's problems you would be able to speak a little more intelligently about OUR (not exclusively MY) problems.

FYI, ALL of our agency's guns were recalled. EVERY single one. Some guys are on their fourth and fifth gun. But I guess I still don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote. I never said I wasnt a fan EXCLUSIVELY because of.my experiences. Remember reading is fundamental.

We (again, the agency not just me) suffered sights that fell off, failure to fire, extract, eject, and feed. Profuse rust, premature wear, and deterioration of the polymer around the hole the grip pin goes in. S&W and the distributor exchanged all (again, the entire agency's not just mine) of our guns. We have further exchanged guns that were exchanged once and sometimes twice.

I understand people get sensitve when another criticizes products/choices they make. Don't take it so personal guy. Im tickled yours is everything you want it to be and more. Mine not so much.
I see you've tried to tone down your rhetoric a bit. Just a few minutes ago, they were "all junk".

I agree with you, reading is fundamental. You might try it sometime, "tough guy". I never said you didn't know what you were talking about (which you would realize if you would have read my reply), only that your attitude is the likely reason people don't take your accusations seriously (which you would realize if you would read YOUR OWN post).

I have no personal attachment to my M&P at all. It is simply another tool at my disposal. So I'm not "sensitive" at all about whatever critique of the M&P you may or may not have. I was simply pointing out to you the reasons why, in your own words:

"Everyone here tells me I'm crazy, there's no way the M&P is junk etc."

It's your attitude, not the gun. It seems that you may be just a bit more "sensitive" than you accused me of being, no?
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One might ask the same type of questions as to why you are taking such a derogatory tone. Because obviously, since YOUR gun had a problem, that, by default, makes every other M&P that was ever made, a piece of "junk", right? Never mind the fact that many people are happy with their M&P's, right? Since you've proclaimed them "junk", they must be.

The problem is, even if what you claim is true, the tone you've taken sounds more like sour grapes than anything else, and will probably be treated as such by most of the people who read your reply. I would guess your attitude is the reason why you aren't being taken seriously.
I agree totally. Using the same rational, Every Glock is a piece of junk because my brother in laws G26 was a problematic gun.
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LOL.....I hear ya tough guy. Maybe if you knew the extent of our agency's problems you would be able to speak a little more intelligently about OUR (not exclusively MY) problems.

FYI, ALL of our agency's guns were recalled. EVERY single one. Some guys are on their fourth and fifth gun. But I guess I still don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote. I never said I wasnt a fan EXCLUSIVELY because of.my experiences. Remember reading is fundamental.

We (again, the agency not just me) suffered sights that fell off, failure to fire, extract, eject, and feed. Profuse rust, premature wear, and deterioration of the polymer around the hole the grip pin goes in. S&W and the distributor exchanged all (again, the entire agency's not just mine) of our guns. We have further exchanged guns that were exchanged once and sometimes twice.

I understand people get sensitve when another criticizes products/choices they make. Don't take it so personal guy. Im tickled yours is everything you want it to be and more. Mine not so much.
Sounds like an interesting assortment of problems. Some of the things you state, not all, would be indicative of lack of care and possibly abuse. Rust is definitely an indication of lack of maintenance. I have many friends that are LEOs with different departments and I hear some horror stories about how some officers don't care for their "issued" duty weapons. I'm sure if you looked deep into it you would find that there are officers in your dept. that abuse or neglect their issued weapon. My LGS gets police trade ins frequently and they are always the most beat up looking gun's in the used case. Kind of funny that this happens seeing as your life could depend on it. But as I've stated before no weapon is perfect and failures will happen, with any manufacturer and model, so I guess their all junk.

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vector you need a high point sounds as if it will suit your needs.
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LMAO........ thanks guys, the Kool-Aid is great!

OP, sorry to hijack the thread....I'll let the brain trust get back to telling you you're wrong to have an opinion....

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It is never good to tell the choir their music sucks. They will just sing louder and tell you to listen more closely. Some people like fords some people like cheveys. Yada yada yada... Sorry you did not get what you expected or wanted out of that M&P you rented. Since you went ahead and bought the Glock I am sincerely happy for you. You got the one that made you happy.

What i am still failing to get is why would you come to this forum to post a very long rant about how crappy the M&P is in your opinion. And why would you draw your rock solid conclusion after firing a range rental. As for the police officer that highjacked this thread ...At least your agency keeps you well supplied. Some of the hillbilly agencies would just say put some oil on that rust and catch some more bad guys.
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. I tend to filter both positive and negative feedback. I visit other forums that feature guns I have or guns I like. I avoided buying a Diamondback DB9 because of disastrous reviews. I am not a LEO, I bought a M&P22 and liked it so well I bought a M&P9. I found out afterward the two guns aren't really mechanically similar at all. The reason I bought is ergonomics. I know better than to trash the Glock. AFAIK, Glocks are fine weapons, but they don't fit my hand at all. I have read many bad reviews of Kimbers, and I had a quality issue with my Ultra CDP II that a local gunsmith resolved for $40. If you just read the reviews, you might assume I was stupid to pay $1200 for my Kimber. However, I love the gun and it probably won't ever be for sale as long as I can shoot. I also have a Kel Tec PF-9. Again, there are a lot of negative reviews. It is my go to carry weapon. I actually like to shoot it, but it isn't made to be shot every week. Other than a bent ejector which was replaced free by Kel Tec mine has been trouble free.

Regarding the M&P9, mine is relatively new. My hand fits the weapon like it was designed for my hand. Mine shot dead nuts on at 7 yards right out of the box. In the near future plan to buy another mag or two (along with some 22 mags when I find them). I also plan to buy a carry holster. If I could only own one handgun it'd be a 1911, but the M&P has a place in my (small) arsenal.

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Well, personally I think the police should get back to carrying real guns: revolvers! I just turned in my Glock 22 for a S&W 686 and couldn't be happier! I'm also bucking the nylon trend and wearing black basketweave duty gear.

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OP, sorry to hijack the thread....I'll let the brain trust get back to telling you you're wrong to have an opinion....

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Yeah, and it appears as though you like to keep drinking that Kool Aid. Re-read my post again. I never, not once, said you were wrong to have an opinion - in fact, I never said the opinion you have is wrong. I simply said the way you presented your opinion (your poor attitude), is why people weren't taking you seriously.

To use your own words again, "reading is fundamental"........Try it sometime, you might actually be able to pull your head out long enough to take a breath of fresh air.
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I guess that's why they make so many different models of firearms. Folks can find one the fits them and that they like.

I have a couple Glocks. Don't really like they way they fit my hand. I think they copied the styling from the Lowe's lumber yard, 2x4 section. But I think they are the most reliable out of the box firearm I have ever seen.

I have a couple S&W M&P's. They fit my hand pretty good. I've never had a dimes worth of trouble with them. They shoot pretty good. After shooting a couple mags. thru my M&P , my 82 yr. old father said he wanted one. He really liked it.
I did see one come back to the gun store with a loose front sight. you could move it with your fingers ,, I told the guy it was their new quick adjust front sight. Then replaced the firearm and the defective one sent back to S&W.

I don't have a XD but I've shot them, seems like a pretty nice firearm.

I actually prefer my 1911's & STI's. They fit my hand perfect. They shoot great. I love my 1911's
But, sometimes they might need a little tuning before they want to run right.

And I carry a J frame S&W.
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I never cared for the one size fits all approach.

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And what idiot engineer/designer came up with the idea of a slide forwarding upon magazine insertion? Why... it can take seconds off a reload and who in the world needs that?

I just don't understand why S&W would design a gun with THAT kind of reliability or have a trigger that gets better every time you fire it!

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1st of all they skide is not suppossed to close like that. Its a mistake. If they messed up that they messed up something else too. Oh wait you poited out that as well. The trigger changes everytime you pull it.
Why would anyone want a gun that the trigger pull is not consistant? Why would anyoune want a gun that you never know for sure how the gun is going to act EVERYTIME you pick it up.
For the one that commented about this, I do have a Hi-point. Its a great gun.
For those that are saying I don't like S&W as a whole, you are wrong. I own a Sigma, its the most reliable, best made gun I have shoty in a while with 20K+ rounds and not one malfunction. I said I was disipointed with the M&P. If you people that want to throw all your haye at me and condesending attitudes in my direction I can go to all new lengths for you. The Glock was good at the range. For me it still and unproven weapon for me. As I stated before I need to put a few hundred boxes of ammo down range with the after market barrel to be able to give a final opinion.
I really hate "Glock Owners" and their arrogant attitudes. But now I see there are just as many of M&P Owners. I pointed out some of the thing S&W could do to get my buisness back in the future and then I get a smit load of flak for sharing the reasons why I did not buy thye M&P to begin with, even though I really want one for the reasons you all have pointed out, being reliable and good looking. This was not the case. Glock had what I wanted in a 9mm this time. Maybe it will be SIG that has what I want in a .357 or CZ I want in a 380 or maybe Colt for the .44.
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What i am still failing to get is why would you come to this forum to post a very long rant about how crappy the M&P is in your opinion. And why would you draw your rock solid conclusion after firing a range rental.
Well, I like the name S&W I think for the majority of their guns they make one of the best products out there. I have posted about wanting the M&P for the last 2 months and with this experience i was very disapointed.
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1st of all they skide is not suppossed to close like that. Its a mistake. If they messed up that they messed up something else too. Oh wait you poited out that as well. The trigger changes everytime you pull it.
Why would anyone want a gun that the trigger pull is not consistant? Why would anyoune want a gun that you never know for sure how the gun is going to act EVERYTIME you pick it up.
For the one that commented about this, I do have a Hi-point. Its a great gun.
For those that are saying I don't like S&W as a whole, you are wrong. I own a Sigma, its the most reliable, best made gun I have shoty in a while with 20K+ rounds and not one malfunction. I said I was disipointed with the M&P. If you people that want to throw all your haye at me and condesending attitudes in my direction I can go to all new lengths for you. The Glock was good at the range. For me it still and unproven weapon for me. As I stated before I need to put a few hundred boxes of ammo down range with the after market barrel to be able to give a final opinion.
I really hate "Glock Owners" and their arrogant attitudes. But now I see there are just as many of M&P Owners. I pointed out some of the thing S&W could do to get my buisness back in the future and then I get a smit load of flak for sharing the reasons why I did not buy thye M&P to begin with, even though I really want one for the reasons you all have pointed out, being reliable and good looking. This was not the case. Glock had what I wanted in a 9mm this time. Maybe it will be SIG that has what I want in a .357 or CZ I want in a 380 or maybe Colt for the .44.
Sorry, Smith Die hards, asw I told they Glock Owners, "They are not the only game in town. Get over it.
Glocks will sometimes "auto forward" as well (I have two of them they do it fairly consistently - a G22 and a G23). In addition, you'll be hard pressed to find any gun with a trigger that doesn't change to some degree over time as it becomes worn. Such is the nature of mechanical devices and machined and stamped parts. They wear, and when they do, things change to some degree.

Personally, I think you did just fine with your selection process. You tried out several models you were considering and picked the one you thought met your criteria the best. I don't know how anyone could find fault in that. As old&slow pointed out above, that is why there are so many different makes and models of handguns out there - because we all have different likes/dislikes when you get right down to it.

What I took exception to in this thread was the attitude from one of the posters who used his limited experience to espouse absolutes that he applied to every M&P. It's simply preposterous. Yep, there are some M&P's out there that have had some problems, no doubt. There are some Sigma's out there that have had some problems as well. Some Glocks, some S&W revolvers, some Rugers, some Kimbers, etc, etc, etc, etc. Still, there are many of those same makes/models out there that have been essentially problem-free and have worked per design. Speaking in absolutes will nearly always make a person wrong in some way. Speaking in absolutes with a poor attitude will nearly always make a person wrong AND dismissed as being bitter.
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I like when I put a mag in, the slide shuts by itself.
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Personally, I think you did just fine with your selection process.
I thought so as well. all the ones that don't agree, its their first gun. they don't know any better.
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I actually prefer my 1911's & STI's.
I love my father-in-law's STi GP6c. He was disappointed when I bought my M&P9, but I bought what I wanted.

My M&P9 has been a fabulous gun. I've got a couple thousand rounds through it now with nary a hiccup. Yes, the slide will close if I slam the magazine home, but I have to whack it pretty good. So does the GP6c.

I'll be shooting my M&P9 tonight at my preferred range. I'll bet I put 250 rounds through it.
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Vector16,

You knew going in you were barking in the wrong dog house and kudos to you for speaking your mind 'against the grain'. I think it's healthy for the forums.

I have a Springfield XDm, several Glocks and my favorite for 'all around, in town' is an M&P 40c. I have a smattering of others, but those are 'the big three' in terms of popularity I think. Each is a fine gun, each is a bit different with its own pros and cons, but overall, the M&P feels best to me.

I hope you didn't buy a 4th Generation Glock!? I can't believe they messed up so bad on the latest series. I know die hard Glock fans who feel they're putting what's practically a franchise at risk. I could see the swap out back straps, but they really screwed the blue ribbon pooch on the 4th Gen. Glocks changes in other ways, IMO.
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Bla bla bla Learn how to fix the guns you shoot.you will be happy with all of them.
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And if you run out of ammo with that High Point you could always use it for a billy club.
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An EXCELLENT summary of why I own 20 steel or stainless steel 1911s made by different manufacturers. My S&W 1911 is near the top of the list. 45 acp leads the herd, but there are 40 S&W and 9 mm just because. Who cares about a tacticool reload -- draw another 1911!
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Sorry for your bad experience. I keep thinking i need a Glock 19 but when I went to the range and rented one I shot my M&P better. I'm not saying I still will not get one but it has been put on the back burner for now. I love my M&P and have had no issues with it. The "auto forward" bothers me a little but not that much and my G30sf has done it before.While I am personally a big fan of the M&P line I realize it may not be for everyone and respect their opinion.
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I am sending my 3 year old M&P Pro 9mm back to S&W tomorrow due an increase in failure to extract. I am having one per magazine (new S&W mags as well). Started within the past month. S&W quickly sent me a pre-paid Fedex label and will honor their lifetime warranty...even though I am 2nd owner (about 2k through the barrel).

I love my M&P but also read that it has it's problems. I love my G23 (carry gun) as well...but for different reasons.

Hope your gun gets/got better. I really enjoy shooting the M&P series. My 9c is a great gun which has never jammed or had any malfunctions...just hope to get the Pro 9mm back in the game!
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You knew going in you were barking in the wrong dog house and kudos to you for speaking your mind 'against the grain'. I think it's healthy for the forums.

I have a Springfield XDm, several Glocks and my favorite for 'all around, in town' is an M&P 40c. I have a smattering of others, but those are 'the big three' in terms of popularity I think. Each is a fine gun, each is a bit different with its own pros and cons, but overall, the M&P feels best to me.

I hope you didn't buy a 4th Generation Glock!? I can't believe they messed up so bad on the latest series. I know die hard Glock fans who feel they're putting what's practically a franchise at risk. I could see the swap out back straps, but they really screwed the blue ribbon pooch on the 4th Gen. Glocks changes in other ways, IMO.
G3 G17 is what i got. G4s are not legal in CA and I don't like the trigger bar design in the G4s anyway
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Sorry for your bad experience. I keep thinking i need a Glock 19 but when I went to the range and rented one I shot my M&P better. I'm not saying I still will not get one but it has been put on the back burner for now. I love my M&P and have had no issues with it. The "auto forward" bothers me a little but not that much and my G30sf has done it before.While I am personally a big fan of the M&P line I realize it may not be for everyone and respect their opinion.
I really want to get a Glock 17 and also have shot the 19. But the 2 times I have shot them against the MP the MP was MUCH better.
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I guess, like me, I depends on what you wanted in the gun. I wanted the short reset and ease of cleaning. The reset was more important to me than anything else. Glock, as of a few years ago only had a 1 year warrany on their products. Now they have a lifetime warranty. I also have large hands so the palm swells that came with the M&P was not that much of a concern, I am also the only one that will ever be shooting the gun so the extra parts were just extra parts i did not need. When the time comes for me to buy another 1911, S&W will be at the top of my list unless CA makes the SR1911 legal. I was also happy with the G17 purchase now that it has been a few days and I started looking into accessories for it. The extra mags run anywhere from $15-$25 and some of the other items like the slide lock and the extra recoil springs are very cheap also. The APEX trigger for the M&P is $159 and the 3.5lb ghost trigger for the Glock is $17. S&W might make some improvements to the M&P this year and I will look at them again at that time. The reason that Glock is so good at making the gun they make is probably, all their guns a basically the same gun, IMO. If I would have thought the XD was the better choice, we would have been having this discussion about that gun. The reset on the XD9 is just too far forward.
Either way you go, no matter what other gun you get, if its not a S&W on a S&W forum you're gonna catch alot of flak for it. But in the end, its not the gun they bought for me. If they would have been so kind to offer to buy me the M&P when I was looking at the guns, I would not have turned it down, but they did not and it was not their dime so they should just learn to live with my decision. In the end it really does not effect them in any way, shape or form. Its good the have other choices if not we might as well be living in China.
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You did make the right choice. I carry a M&P 45 piece of junk everyday. I have layer out my agency's problems here multiple times. Im on my second one. Everyone here tells me I'm crazy, there's no way the M&P is junk etc. All I can do is laugh. Last March at qualification numerous pistols were pulled from service on the spot due to various reasons. Everyone will chime in and suggest 100,000 reasons OTHER than the gun is junk to explain all the failures.

Personally I am a big time 3rd generation guy. We traded our 4566s for this thing.

Anyway, your original notion that the M&P is junk is correct. I will wager the majority of the posters after me will pontificate about how THEY have never had problems with theirs, the ________ police department is issuing it so it can't be junk, and a slew of reasons why it isn't junk. I wonder if they're doing it to feel better about the money they spent, the choice they made, or out of brand loyalty?
Specifically, what kinds fo problems was your pistol having? And were the problems common to all department pistols? What was the approximate date the were acquired?
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You did make the right choice. I carry a M&P 45 piece of junk everyday. I have layer out my agency's problems here multiple times. Im on my second one. Everyone here tells me I'm crazy, there's no way the M&P is junk etc. All I can do is laugh. Last March at qualification numerous pistols were pulled from service on the spot due to various reasons. Everyone will chime in and suggest 100,000 reasons OTHER than the gun is junk to explain all the failures.

Personally I am a big time 3rd generation guy. We traded our 4566s for this thing.

Anyway, your original notion that the M&P is junk is correct. I will wager the majority of the posters after me will pontificate about how THEY have never had problems with theirs, the ________ police department is issuing it so it can't be junk, and a slew of reasons why it isn't junk. I wonder if they're doing it to feel better about the money they spent, the choice they made, or out of brand loyalty?
I like your way of thinking. That is straight up and to the truth.
I have recieved multiple PM's from people that have said "the slide is not supposed to do the auto close, it is a defect". "No gun should ever do this". So in my opinion everyone that says they like it are either FOS of they just don't want to send the gun back to S&W to have the problem fixed, either way I am still right with the decission I made, for me. Its not your their problem.

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I love my S&W revolvers. Carry an issued .40 M&P at work. There is a Glock in the nightstand beside my bed. While I like the ergonomics of the M&P it has yet to earn the reliability ratings of my Glock. At 50 years old I have been through the 1911 phase, and have come to believe that of you want a revolver buy a 20 to 30 year Smith. If you want an auto that just plain works out of the box buy a Glock. Smith has yet to bring to bring to market an Auto that compares and competes with the rest.

What do i carry almost every day when off work and as a backup? A vintage model 49. Yes I am an old school $%^&.

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If you dont like them dont buy them. and the need to exaggerate to make a point is typical net stuff. I believe this guy before I will take your word on it.Tactical-Life.com Ľ Gun Test: Smith & Wesson M&P .45ACP
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