I fired an entire magazine of .380's through my M&P 9c

Soldiernurse · #51 05-05-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kris7047th

I don't think the people who criticized him really had intentions to BASH to him. It was more of a knee jerk OMG shock and posted. All of us want him to be safe. But, coming on post after post accusing BASHING .. is doing the same thing you are criticizing. It only needed to be pointed out ONE time

Nope, it needed to be pointed out until the bashing stopped!

Smith357 · #52 05-05-2013, 08:51 AM

Thank you for the reminder.

With the two rounds being so darn close I can easily see how it happens. while not getting them mixed up in a magazine for a gun I have had .380 brass get mixed in with my 9mm brass and have loaded up a few .380s with 9mm loads. At first I just felt like the brass had already been de-capped and re-sized, luckily the bullets fell out of the brass when they dropped down into the ammo bin, after a few of these mistakes I learned what to feel for and what to look for. Now whenever the case sizes too easily I pull it and inspect it sometimes it's a .380 that got picked up at the range by mistake. What would happen if one of these made its way into my old Model 39, i don't know, but I'm pretty sure if they found their way into a .380 there would be some damage.

BillyMagg · #53 05-05-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Lake

I was at the farm with my oldest daughter and we had a .22, a BG380, a M&P9c and a M&P40fs. I wanted my daughter to try them all and I had all different boxes of ammo out, from Win WB to reloads, FMJ to HP. We were going to shoot about 800 rounds at clay pigeons, reactive targets and old refrigerators.

I remember loading the 9c mag and thinking the last round was weird. It really took a lot of force to get it in the mag, then it didn't seat quite right. I thought maybe I was crushing the spring. I walked onto the range and after the first shot I smiled and thought this 9c has such a light recoil I just LOVE it!

But the next pull of the trigger was a click. I racked the slide and ejected the empty round. It fired and then click. This went on for the entire magazine with me thinking I must have a shell pinched in the bottom of the mag causing the follower to jam or something. Each round had to be hand ejected.

It wasn't until I went back to the bench that I realized I just shot 13 rounds of .380 from my 12 round 9mm magazine....

The .380 is called the 9mmKurz or short for a reason, a buddy tryed to load .40S&W in a 45acp magazine and wondered why they kept falling through???? He is very experience, after first couple it dawned on him? billy

ginzo · #54 05-05-2013, 02:02 PM

Glad your safe.

TheNakedGunFighter · #55 05-05-2013, 03:26 PM

You know what happens. As soon as you post something like this, most will pull out their little ladders and climb up onto their soapboxes. They will then start preaching as though in all their years of shooting, they have never made any type of mistake. It just makes them feel so good about themselves to belittle someone who had the nerve to warn others to be as careful as possible.

I just wish I knew how it feels to be oh so perfect.

Rubix^2 · #56 10-11-2013, 05:16 PM

I have shot a few 380s out of a 9mm by accident. The bullets are a bit smaller and do not build pressure. They sound more like a pellet gun than a 380. I have been on another site and some are trying to say it can not be done with out blowing up your breach. LOL Not true at all. The brass will crack or at least expand a bit over normal, but it will not blow up the breach. I do not recommend trying it on purpose. I also knew a few guys up north who would shoot 380s out of 9mm maks, its the same type of thing the bullet is a bit smaller in diameter and rattles down the barrel. I don't recommend doing it but it can be done without damage. There was even a video of a guy shooting 9mm or 9x19 out of a 9mm mak, It worked but I would not do it, that may cause a problem, the 9mm parabellum may be higher in pressure.

9x19 in a 9x18 PA-63 - YouTube

hangnoose · #57 10-11-2013, 05:32 PM

My eyesight aint so good either, made my share of mistakes and invented many new ones. messing up with a kid around kinda deserves a little bashing, it won't kill ya, I'm sure you have heard some before. Posting about a foul up is just plain asking for it. IF SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT, STOP, AND CHECK IT OUT! R-U gonna be OK to drive her home? LOL,JK. Glad it ended up being alright.

sophie · #58 10-11-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost Lake

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But the next pull of the trigger was a click. I racked the slide and ejected the empty round. It fired and then click. This went on for the entire magazine with me thinking I must have a shell pinched in the bottom of the mag causing the follower to jam or something. Each round had to be hand ejected.

It wasn't until I went back to the bench that I realized I just shot 13 rounds of .380 from my 12 round 9mm magazine....

Lordy Mercy---and you are going to tell everybody!!!

blujax01 · #59 10-11-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubix^2

... The bullets are a bit smaller and do not build pressure. ...

The bullets are the same exact diameter - .355. The .380 or (9mm Kurz) round is lighter, usually 85 to 95 grain, whereas the 9mm parabellum is heavier, usually 115 grain and up, hence the 380 bullet is slightly shorter. Additionally the 380 case is 9x17 as opposed to 9x19 for the parabellum.

So if by "smaller" you mean "shorter", I agree.

The barrel should be just fine. In that regard, it's no different from shooting 125 grain 38's in a 357.

Except for that pesky jamming thing...

Besides, our good friend Lost Lake has a great deal of firearm knowledge (I've certainly learned much from him!) and if there were a problem with his 9C, he would no doubt have discovered it long ago!

I am grateful for these types of confessions, even old ones, as it serves as a reminder that my passion is not for a toy, these things have a certain danger associated with them and I need to be ever mindful of what I'm doing!

jeffnles1 · #60 10-11-2013, 09:36 PM

Cough, cough, I know a guy who shot a cylinder full of 44spl out of a 45 colt revolver. I know this fellow pretty well. In fact he is typing this message. Jeff

epj · #61 10-11-2013, 09:43 PM

The bullet diameter is the same. The case is smaller in diameter at the base. The 9x19 has a pretty severe taper, the .380 not so much.

SMMAssociates · #62 10-12-2013, 12:15 AM

I don't know if I mentioned it, but I once stuck a magazine full of .380's into a magazine for my M39. First one fired, hit the target, etc., but wouldn't eject.

Figured it out when I saw the split case.

No gas, brass, etc., issues. I expect that the first round got grabbed by the extractor, which held it in place to fire, but then it lost connection with the fired case and that was that.

No idea where they are now, but the NRA (Rifleman) used to run an occasional "rifle rounds that only seem to interchange" sort of article.

The somewhat ancient brain also reminds me that during WWII the GI's in Australia found out that they could raise a burr on the head of a 9mm and shoot them in .38's for practice where .38Spl ammo was rare.

I've never tried that....

Regards,

S&W Rover · #63 10-12-2013, 12:33 AM

I know somebody who loaded and fired several handloaded .41 Rem Mags in a .44 Special Ruger Blackhawk. They keyholed into the paper target, which should have been the first clue. They were 230 grain Keith bullets and fairly long, and finally one of them was so long that it wouldn't allow the cylinder to turn another stop (it interferred with the frame at the bottom of the travel of the cylinder). The cylinder would back around part way but in the end the bullet had to be dremeled down in length to allow the cylinder to turn 360 degrees so all of the live rounds could be removed from the cylinder. But three of them had fired almost just fine. There is only .20 inches difference between a .41 (.410 inches) and a .44 (.430 inches).

Glad the OP posted his mistake. The moral of his story (and mine) is to check and double-check, and don't make assumptions...

mrrick · #64 10-12-2013, 01:36 AM

Here's my mistake that could have been disasterous. Firing 7X57 Mauser, ALWAYS examine primer for signs of high pressure, noticed flattened primer, then noticed the case mouth was curved inward. Whoa Nelly.

UH OH, just fired a .308 through a .284 barrel. The combination of moderate handloads and the incredibly strong DWM model 1908. Mauser action likely prevented a Kaboom. BTW, that barrel had never been that clean. Not recommended cleaning technique though.

Rapidray · #65 10-12-2013, 08:43 AM

I sure hope a moderator comes by and closes this thread. It could still be read and new shooters can learn from it, but I do not think anything new posts need to be added.

G-Mac · #66 10-12-2013, 08:51 AM

I once shot some .38 Special out of a .357 Magnum!

g17 · #67 10-12-2013, 09:26 AM

Glad to hear you are ok. I'd bet dollars to dimes that no harm came to your gun from a 380 round going through it. A friend once gave me some loose 9mm that as it turned out, had a few Makarov 9x18 rounds mixed in and I almost made a similar mistake.

If you live long enough, s*#t happens and hopefully you learn from your mistakes and move on. I suspect even in the perfect world of the safety police where all are smiles and rainbows, they get their share of mishaps too.

mbliss57 · #68 10-12-2013, 09:54 AM

MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD...

Edmo · #69 10-12-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryS

For a minute I thought that this was another review of a BG 380!

Nice... I was trying to think of something witty, but couldn't top this.

OP, thanks for sharing. It is good to hear some are honest enough to admit errors. Maybe it will remind all of us how easy it can happen... Even to the ones balancing on the boxes of soap.

Edmo

Jaymo · #70 10-12-2013, 12:27 PM

I realized my reply could be construed as rude or bashing.
I'm voluntarily removing it because everybody is stupid at times.(Myself included)
Being imperfect sucks.

I'm glad no one was hurt.

Stratajema · #71 10-12-2013, 07:21 PM

A while ago someone posted on another website about mistakenly loading and firing a 9mm round in a Springfield XDM 45 acp. With the 9mm round chambered and thinking it was a 45 acp, he was confused as to why the loaded chamber indicator did not pop up. That made me realize why people say not to totally rely on "safety" indicators.

Kanewpadle · #72 10-12-2013, 11:53 PM

This happens more than people realize. One big reason why I shoot ONE caliber at a time. When I'm done with one caliber I put the ammo and the gun away and start with another caliber.

BONDOBOB · #73 10-13-2013, 01:50 AM

Got one better, before light, while hunting, shot a 30-30 out of a 7.56,, threw the rifle away, got a new pair of glasses to replace broken ones, needed afew bandaids, but I am still here, now I REALLY CK