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Old 11-15-2012, 01:01 PM
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Because i installed an apex fss trigger kit and I also shoot 1911s.
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I still think S&W should have offered the Shield with a choice of external safety or not; like on the other M&P pistols. If they had, I would have picked one up w/o the external safety. Unless they do, I know quite a few shooters who are shying away. It's just one more thing that could malfunction at the wrong time.

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they make, anyway....
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And it's pretty unobtrusive, for all that. If you don't like it, just don't use it. I doubt it would get in your way.
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I have a .45 4.5in with thumb safety....(I have had glocks as well) but I went with the thumb safety because it just makes me feel better having one in the house with a safety. I know safeties are mechanical and can fail but it does help put my mind at ease some what...lol. If I lived alone I probably wouldn't care. Having the safety is just another tool when teaching my kids how to shoot and about guns in general...which is probably more the reason I got the thumb safety.

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How about it,s a personal choiceBeen shooting for 40 plus years and like a thumb saftey on my pistols
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This is because those states that place weird requirements on guns mag cap and so forth really do not want you to have a gun in the first place and are just placing more hurdles so in Massachusetts (which is where Smith & Wesson is headquarted) you are not allowed to buy a magazine with more than a ten round cap and to make sure of that try to put ten rounds into a ten round Smith&Wesson mag, it ain't gonna happen! So you now go out and buy 10 10 round magazines so you just have to change mags more often and how long does that take?
funny you mention MA. when talking about this issue....if you look at the S&W website....the MA compliant M&P 9 has NO thumb safety... and as far as the 10 shot clips....big deal if you have to change a clip...if I am carrying a 9mm and need more than 10 shots all at once, I need something more than a 9. just sayin' Product: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm - No Thumb Safety
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:57 PM
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I also cannot think of a reason I would want such a device on the M&P.
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As I read these posts for and against a thumb safety on an M&P no one has mentioned children.

I am a responsible gun owner. My Shield is always holstered and when not on my person it is locked away in my Gunvault. However, accidents happen and children get their hands on loaded guns. I like the idea that if a child pulled the trigger on my loaded Shield it would not go bang and hopefully I would realize my error in judgement (leaving a loaded gun unattended) before the child figures out the safety.

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I'm new to handgun ownership (less than a year). Bought my M&P 9 FS last November and have had a blast with it.

Anywho, it doesn't have a safety and I sorta thought I wouldn't really want a safety after practicing with this pistol.

Then recently bought the 22 which of course comes with the safety. I didn't think I'd like it but after quite a bit of shooting and handling, I really do.

So for me it really doesn't matter if it has a safety or not and I can see benefits from both sides of opinion. If in a defensive situation I don't think the safety would be any problem at all to disengage.

Just a few thoughts from a new shooter who is trying to continually get better

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I first learned about the CORE models of M&P at a U-tube video by Jerry Miculek. He commented that he really liked the thumb safety he added...
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:46 PM
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...99.999% of gun owners will never fire a shot in a life or death scenario, yet they handle a loaded weapon multiple times aday, where there is a very real possibility of an ND, especially since they're so supremely confident that "my safety is between my ears". Ppeople screw up, even experts. Take the time to LEARN how to properly manipulate a safety and it's not an issue...

...The NYPD authorized three guns, the Glock 19, S&W 5946, and SIG 226. At the time I retired, NOT ONE ND was with the SIG or S&W, both hammer fired. EVERY ONE of them was ith a Glock.
My earlier, light-hearted comment that included kbm6893's post was not meant to disagree with him. I am a firm believer in his first point (quoted), and while I have no knowledge of the second, it does not surprise. When I can get around to it, my un-safetied M&Ps will someday be replaced by similar models with safeties - or safeties installed, if that is possible. It's just a matter of time.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:48 PM
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I would say the answer is in the question.
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Well, let me test my memory. At one time I was well read on this subject.

To the question about why some have external safeties and some do not -- the professional answer is:
ďthere is a market for pistols with external safeties and a market for pistols with no external safeties.

The glock style trigger safety and the S&W trigger hinge safety are both primarily anti drop safeties. When someone drops the pistol the inertia generated when it hitís the ground will not move the trigger bar inside the pistol.

The old 1911 .45 auto workhorse was perfect for two world wars. In the 1960s (as they were gearing up for the series 70?) I read a well written article. The writer claimed (and I believe) that the inertia firing pin can not fire a cartridge unless dropped from a building about ten stories high onto cement with it landing perfectly on the muzzle. Assuming the force did not push the slide back enough to activate the original out of battery slide lock.

I have not looked closely at the new 1911 style 45 autos but the inertia firing pin does not reach from hammer to primer at the same time on any I have seen. It must travel forward of its own inertia to pop the primer. If you have time some day take a tongue depressor or similar wood and push down a 1911 45 firing pin level with the keeper, then notice it is not sticking out the of the breach face. The safest way to carry a 1911 45 auto is hammer down with loaded chamber. Second safest no doubt is cocked with leather strap under hammer over firing pin. (People who have gun accidents can be creative in ways to blame the gun). (Therefore the suits in the front office that order guns for police and military love lots of safeties).

The S&W model 10 revolver we all loved probably had a 12 pound double action trigger pull and a 3 or 3.5 pound short crisp pull for accurate shooting. It was the perfect police handgun like the 45 auto was the perfect military handgun.

When the big city drug gangs got more and more firepower the police had to keep up. When Glock first came out with a polymer frame, striker fired, half cocked gun with high capacity magazine it was wonderful. I believe my first Glock 17 has a 3.5 pound trigger. Apparently many accidents happened when they were shoved in behind a belt with no holster and also with the overly flexible inside the belt holsters. A few accidents happened when officers crammed their gun in holster after an incident with finger still on the trigger. And many more.

Anyway it seems to me that Glock and S&W and Ruger have jumped up and down on trigger pull poundage trying to make everyone happy. I believe my gen 4 glock in 40 caliber has a 6.5 pound trigger (again if memory serves). I believe my Ruger P95 is a couple pounds higher but longer and smoother.

I believe the original New York (police) Trigger was 9 pounds. The police buyers are feeling around for a compromise between the revolver double action trigger and the cocked single action revolver trigger.

When I was in the Navy in 1960 a marine at the gate playing quick draw accidentally killed the marine coming to relieve him. The chamber of his pistol was supposed to be empty and he was supposed to not be playing with it.

After a police gunfight is over one must holster ones weapon at some point. Most European style decockers are loud and uncomfortable. Dropping an exposed hammer can be done quietly with practice. Pull the hammer back slightly with finger off the trigger. Push down the decocker levers and lower the hammer. But if one gets nervous there is a chance one could have excessive bump or pull on trigger before decocking and the slide will come back and bust your thumb. So you just push down the decocker and let the hammer slam down and watch everyone around you jump perhaps?

Lets talk excessive safeties. I have heard of police riot holsters with three locks to prevent someone getting control of your gun. So perhaps a couple thugs are stabbing you or shooting at you and you must first hit the thumb paddle safety on the holster while poking finger inside trigger guard and whatever else. Then you get the gun out and must push down the thumb safety on the gun.
A friend of a friend would approach cars with his clipboard under his left arm and left hand in jacket pocket on his pocket mauser already pointed at them.
A minority officer who was interviewed walking home in New York clearly stated ďin my neighborhood you do not have time to draw, so you take your pistol out of the holster and put it in your coat pocket.
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I don't know much about a handgun safety since I carry a weapon that does not have one, but this much I have ascertained:

People that don't like threads like this one sure do love chiming in on them.
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I don't know much about a handgun safety since I carry a weapon that does not have one, but this much I have ascertained:

People that don't like threads like this one sure do love chiming in on them.
Good observation. But chiming in inspires others to give their opinions. And hopefully we get close to agreeing at the end.

Yes, perhaps the only question regarding the autos with no external safety is the trigger pull weight and often more important the holster.

In theory perhaps the handgun is not likely to have an accidental discharge in a good reasonably stiff holster. Particularly if the gun is in the holster when the holster is shoved inside the belt, or the type holster where part of the holster shoved inside the belt.

But then here we go again to the next step, about holstering a handgun after an incident. Your nerves are peaked and maybe your clothes a bit looser. Shirt tail more likely to be out, perhaps blocking the handgun from good entrance to holster. I assume nobody teaches this stuff in class but the classes are getting much better.

So it would seem pertinent to experiment with the highest trigger pull weight you can shoot well with at 15 or 20 yards. Then dress nice and do some toe touches and side bends. Roll around on a judo mat and at least look at your new belt line obstructions. If appropriate, try to holster your gun.

I think I just talked myself into buying my next one with an external safety and light trigger.
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Here is some nice photoís of an accidental discharge inside a vehicle.

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Why the M&P22 has a thumb safety is Smithís manufacturing base in the US wasn't tooled up fast enough to bring this pistol for immediate release, so they've settled for abiding by firearms import restrictions and incorporating the thumb safety.

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Why the M&P22 has a thumb safety is Smith’s manufacturing base in the US wasn't tooled up fast enough to bring this pistol for immediate release, so they've settled for abiding by firearms import restrictions and incorporating the thumb safety.

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This article, that is referred to, makes me very unhappy.

I do not yet own an M&P22. It is one on my long list. It appears to be the best training tool for the bigger M&P semi auto’s that look like it and feel like it, and have external safeties. No doubt many police departments carry the M&P in 9 and 40 caliber and many are required to have the model with thumb safety.

However the M&P22 is not striker fired. There is a hammer in there. Search for it in Gunblast and look at the picture with slide off. The hammer is shown cocked and un-cocked.
Smith & Wesson M&P-22 Semi-Automatic 22 LR Pistol

Look at it in the Smith&Wesson corporation firearms website. It describes the M&P 22 as “single action”.

Would you carry any cocked pistol without a safety? This is a really great buy unless you think there is a half cocked striker inside and can be carried the same way a striker fired half cocked pistol can be carried.

(I note that the gunblast site says "Hammer-block safety prevents the weapon from firing unless the trigger is pulled").

The article, and posts after the article compares it against the Ruger SR22. Different ball game. The SR22 has an exposed hammer and a decocker that can also be used as a safety. But if you use the decocker as an additional safety you must push it up with your thumb in order to fire a double action first shot. The SR22 is a good training tool for the departments or military units that carry the Ruger P95. (Although more than a little bit smaller than the P95).

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All the people that have shot themselves or someone else with a Glock; ask for it.
I agree wit Dave 686, I know several persons that have shot themselves with striker fired pistols. Besides you are not alone in The World, people have kids and wants an extra safety when un holster his/her gun, women carry them in their purse, some w/o a holster, some men carry Mexican style, pants got lose, you may lose your name. In ideal conditions, no need for a manual safety, as with revolvers; but if something can go wrong, it will go wrong, Murphys Law. Old "revolver shooters in PR have a saying, "pistols always carry a bullet for the owner" and styker firing pistols make it easier.
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Good observation. But chiming in inspires others to give their opinions. And hopefully we get close to agreeing at the end.

Yes, perhaps the only question regarding the autos with no external safety is the trigger pull weight and often more important the holster.

In theory perhaps the handgun is not likely to have an accidental discharge in a good reasonably stiff holster. Particularly if the gun is in the holster when the holster is shoved inside the belt, or the type holster where part of the holster shoved inside the belt.

But then here we go again to the next step, about holstering a handgun after an incident. Your nerves are peaked and maybe your clothes a bit looser. Shirt tail more likely to be out, perhaps blocking the handgun from good entrance to holster. I assume nobody teaches this stuff in class but the classes are getting much better.

So it would seem pertinent to experiment with the highest trigger pull weight you can shoot well with at 15 or 20 yards. Then dress nice and do some toe touches and side bends. Roll around on a judo mat and at least look at your new belt line obstructions. If appropriate, try to holster your gun.

I think I just talked myself into buying my next one with an external safety and light trigger.
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The Shield is an odd one. The one I fondled at the LGS had a pretty stout safety. It wasn't easy to engage/disengage it by accident. It took a bit of pressure. I'm not a big fan that style safety. At least S&W made it as unobtrusive as possible. If you don't want to use it, leave it disengaged.
While the stiff small thumb safety might make it harder to flip off it also makes it far less likely to be accidentally flipped on during carry or while holstering/unholstering.
I have firearms in various configurations, with and without thumb safety, with and without grip safety, with and without mag disconnect, DAO or SA/DA or SAO. Each has pros and cons in different situations.
So far I have carried with an empty chamber and safety off and with a round in the chamber with safety on. Trying to balance the fact that I have to handle the weapon a number of times in order to get through a day against the chance that I might need to use it.
What about this - chamber a round - put the safety on - holster the weapon (before or after attaching the holster to your belt) - get everything situated, then thumb the safety off - assuming you have a good holster which covers the trigger. Then if needed the safety is off. At the end of the day or when removing the gun from the holster of the holster form the belt, thumb the safety on to make it safer to handle when in a safe location.
Then again there is the keep it simple philosophy where minimizing the parts and steps involved is the way to go. Not that anyone is completely safe anywhere but some level of threat assemesment needs to be done.
I don't feel I need to have my safety off while sitting on my sofa but perhaps I do when inspecting a vacant house.
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Good for reholstering, charging the first round, clearing the weapon, etc. I don't like safeties that lock the slide because that defeats half the benefit.

I wish that people would quit thinking that the trigger tab/hinge makes the gun safer from fingers and other things entering the trigger guard. That IS NOT it's primary purpose, it is a DROP safety. It is designed to easily disengaged with a finger, just like a grip safety does when you grip the pistol. Both are designed to stay out of your way and be more or less automatic.
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(This is an OLD thread....)

I have an M&P9C, an M&P40C, and an M&P40FS. The 9C's got a thumb safety.

I took it because the dealer had only the one gun, and being a 1911 guy, swiping off the safety is habitual. (I always carry a 1911 in Condition One, AKA "Cocked & Locked".)

What I found is that the thumb safety on the 9C is just too soft to protect anybody from anything. While it's not too likely to move by itself, holster contact IMHO might do it, or just accidental finger contact in handling. IOW, I don't trust the thing.

The silly little safety in the trigger is a joke, IMHO, too, although it may help as a drop safety. The real drop safety in the rear of the slide is going to be a lot more useful.

I gave the gun to my daughter. She also knows how to work the thumb safety, and doesn't carry the thing - "nightstand". Can't talk her into getting licensed, and her employer won't let her bring it to work anyway.

Now, I'm told - I haven't got one yet - the thumb safety on the Shield is pretty difficult to turn on or off, and may be a better "childproofing" option. For the guy who puts one in his pocket, though, you'd better practice turning it off.... IMHO, the one on the 9C wouldn't stop a kid over about 2 years old....

Now, if you have one of the other S&W guns (or just about anybody else's) where the lever position is reversed (i.e., "up to fire"), like my old M39, being a 1911 guy puts you at a disadvantage. You can carry the thing with the safety off if desired (that defeats the drop safety in mine), but trying to figure out whether the gun in your hand wants the lever up or down can be a problem....

All of that said, pick one you like, and train up on it to the point that you do it automatically. I'm at the point where I try to flip the safety on or off while handling one of the M&P's, even though there's no lever there. I'm just used to the 1911....

(I carry a small 1911 "outdoors", and the M&P40C or FS "indoors". The reason being that the M&P's are very light, and don't require a special belt. Goes well with grubbies .... On a trip involving aircraft - i.e., checking a weapon - it's one of the 40's, though. Never check a gun you really want....)

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Yes, perhaps the only question regarding the autos with no external safety is the trigger pull weight and often more important the holster.
My Shield has a TS, and I use it at home, but I don't use it when I carry it. It's too small for me to be comfortable with swiping it off in a hot situation. If I could buy an extended safety lever for it, I'd do that, and use it. However, the Shield has a crisp-but-stiff trigger that requires intention to pull, and I carry it in a secure IWB Kydex holster that covers both the trigger and the safety lever. Once the gun's in the holster, and the safety is clicked off, nothing about that gun will change state. The safety will not accidentally become engaged. The trigger will not accidentally be pulled.

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I think I just talked myself into buying my next one with an external safety and light trigger.
I just bought a full size M&P 9 with the TS. Sure, it probably doesn't need a TS with the stock trigger, from a trigger pull weight standpoint. The beauty of the TS models is that you can either keep the safety in it and use it, or you can remove the safety lever and try without if you like. But you have the option. I understand that most guns now have the universal sear block where you could add a TS to a NTS model if you wanted, but I don't think it's guaranteed that any one gun will have that universal block.

But I don't plan to keep my full size M&P stock. I'd like to really shorten and lighten the trigger...down to around the 4 lb point. It's a fun gun, a range gun. Guns with short and light triggers generally have a TS. I regard my "future" M&P no differently. But, hey, who knows...maybe I'll take the TS lever out and have a NTS model. I have the choice.

I see no harm in folks offering opinions on this topic, but I see little value in questioning why someone else would want it any other way. That's like asking someone why their favorite color is blue when, clearly, the best color out there is red! We all like what we like, and I feel that we all learn by reading and sharing opinions. But questioning someone else's opinion is rarely productive.

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This subject is reaching the heights of AR vs AK and caliber wars. S&W offered thumb safeties on M&P's because some police departments, (the original target audience), required them, same-same mag safeties. Don't understand the controversy. It's like choosing between a car with buckets and a floor shift, or the same one with a split bench and column shift. Whatever floats your boat.
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Google / Bing the words Glock Accident, and you will find some people who could have benefited from a thumb safety.

In one case, a police officer shot himself in the leg while reholstering his Glock, because the trigger got tangled up in a jacket drawstring.
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Wow! The safety haters on here who are so quick to smuggly disparage those who want a safety, remind me of the anti-gunners who would question why anyone would "need" a gun at all.

I wonder how many folks who have had negligent discharges with their striker fired pistols talked the same way before they made holes in something that did not need holes in it?

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I have a Shield .40 that I carry and it has a thumb safety. I think it does not matter if you have one or not as long as you train properly with/without it. I have trained to take it out of the holster and the distance between pulling out of the holster and focusing on the target, I switch the safety off. I think it's there for psychological reasons that the gun will not go off if the trigger is pulled accidentally while retrieving the gun from the holster or while in the holster.... but once again, that's a training issue.
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I also prefer the safety and don't consider myself "gun dumb". The bottom line is that I cut my teeth 30 plus years ago on single action guns like the hi-power. I am trained to sweep the safety off. I also am of the mind that the trigger safety is not sufficient as it is too easily defeated. I believe that this position has been proven out by the number of AD/ND's of the Glock platform.

One of the reasons I moved to the M&P platform was because of the availability of the thumb safety. The ergonomics are as close to the hi-power that I have found in a current design. The Shield with a thumb safety is the best concealed carry platform available today.

While I appreciate that some feel they don't need a thumb safety, I feel strongly that they are incorrect. I just hope that they never find out how incorrect they are in their misguided confidence in an inadequate trigger safety.
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I have been involved in the shooting sports for the past 55 years, experience includes semi auto pistols with and without a manual safety as well as revolvers. Before retiring from law enforcement I was the department firearms instructor and armorer, and no one I had trained ever had an accidental discharge or negative incident involving a firearm. I well understand the pros and cons, if there are any, of a manual safety. I am now contemplating a purchase of another compact 9mm to give my CS9 a break and seriously considering the Shield, one of the reasons being the availability of a manual safety, I prefer it. As others have stated in this thread, it is my life, my money buying the firearm, and my preference, no other explanation is necessary.
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Because i installed an apex fss trigger kit and I also shoot 1911s.
plus, i like riding my thumb on the safety.

oh, and it's nice to piss off people who think having a thumb safety on a m&p is dumb
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This IS and old thread. I'm in Mass and I prefer the thumb safety and actively trying to buy the parts to convert it to such, for reasons like some have stated here. I'm divorced, no kids, live alone and I still worry about somehow some GF's kid or something getting their hands on a gun and with the safety ON, it will NOT go boom. I have a big ole safe and it's either in there or on me, so chances are nill. Just my preference, but I am NO expert compared to some on here. But I am a responsible gun owner. Plus, MSM loves tragedies involving some kid killing themselves accidentally under circumstances discussed like on here.

I agree, it's still America (for now) so let the buyer choose.
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As I read these posts for and against a thumb safety on an M&P no one has mentioned children.

I am a responsible gun owner. My Shield is always holstered and when not on my person it is locked away in my Gunvault. However, accidents happen and children get their hands on loaded guns. I like the idea that if a child pulled the trigger on my loaded Shield it would not go bang and hopefully I would realize my error in judgement (leaving a loaded gun unattended) before the child figures out the safety.

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Allow me to open up a big ol' can of worms here. If kids or grandkids are around I agree with the safe. While in the relative safety of your home if you have a gun out I would suggest not having a round in the chamber.

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I would not own one without a thumb safety.
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Necro thread, but ok.

I like the thumb safety. It is why I bought a Shield instead of a Glock 19. If Glock had a safety, I'd have bought it.

With CCW, there is SO much administrative handling, it seems orders of magnitude higher risk to have an ND from that, than the vanishing small risk of not releasing the safety if and when the SHTF. I practice so much with it that I actually have a small callous on my thumb from it!

My M&P22, Sig P238, and my Ruger SR9C also have thumb safeties.
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Necro thread, but ok.

I like the thumb safety. It is why I bought a Shield instead of a Glock 19. If Glock had a safety, I'd have bought it.

With CCW, there is SO much administrative handling, it seems orders of magnitude higher risk to have an ND from that, than the vanishing small risk of not releasing the safety if and when the SHTF. I practice so much with it that I actually have a small callous on my thumb from it!

My M&P22, Sig P238, and my Ruger SR9C also have thumb safeties.
I bought my shields, 9MM for Spring, Summer & Fall carry and .40 for winter, heavy clothing. If I am in the car or at a really safe place like my sons homes or my home I leave the safety on. When I get out my car at a mall parking lot the safety goes off before I exit the car. I have also spent time practicing drawing and releasing the safety in one fluid motion. Not a problem & extra piece of mind especially with the grand children around.
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I just got Shield and I'm really surprised at how easy it is to pull the trigger compared to other DA semis that I have. My other guns don't have safeties and i'm fine with them, but I'm glad to have one with the shield whether I use it or not.
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This IS and old thread. I'm in Mass and I prefer the thumb safety and actively trying to buy the parts to convert it to such, for reasons like some have stated here. I'm divorced, no kids, live alone and I still worry about somehow some GF's kid or something getting their hands on a gun and with the safety ON, it will NOT go boom. I have a big ole safe and it's either in there or on me, so chances are nill. Just my preference, but I am NO expert compared to some on here. But I am a responsible gun owner. Plus, MSM loves tragedies involving some kid killing themselves accidentally under circumstances discussed like on here.

I agree, it's still America (for now) so let the buyer choose.
I used a 1911 for nightstand duty etc for years. Bought a 9 & 40 M&P for the extra capacity but always felt a little vulnerable with a pistol w/o a safety especially when the cat jumped on the night stand one night. When the M&P .45 became available with a thumb safety I bought one and liked it so much I bought my son one also. Problem was I could not transfer it to him b/c he is in MA. Now I have one on each nightstand equipped with Streamlight TLR2s light and laser setups. I love the thumb safety on these because for me they are just the right size and even in the fog of sleep you will not have a problem disengaging this safety. 10 rounds mag with 230Gr Gold Dots & one in the chamber should take care of any threat or give me time to get to the Mossberg or AR. Tried the S&W 14 round mags when they came out and broke a loader trying to get the 14th in. With 13 they still were not 100% reliable on the first round feed. Too much pressure for the slid to strip the first round. Maybe they have improved. I use them for the range using ball ammunition and they have loosened up a bit and function well. The 10 round mags function 100% so that's what I use for defense. Feel sorry for you MA guys but at least you can now get a S&W E series 1911.
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I just traded in my Shield 9 NTS for one with a TS. My reason was my comfort level when carrying. My primary has always been a Browning Hi Power and I trained on the Beretta while in the service. Not having the safety on the Shield just didn't feel right while I was carrying with one in the chamber and I'm not about relying on having the time to rack the slide in a SD situation. It feels very natural disengaging the safety as I draw and I know my weapon is ready.
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When I was researching the Shield I watched a video on YouTube in which the videographer inadvertently engaged the safety on his Shield while he was showing it at different angles and didnít realize it.
I donít think that only happens in YouTube videos. A safety is a mechanical device and mechanical devices malfunction .
Iíve had to draw a gun exactly one time in self defense in my life and that one time was enough to convince me that I donít want to have to add any unnecessary steps (AKA opportunities to screw up) to the process.

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The. M&P .40 full size was purchased as a duty pistol. It has a thumb safety bit magazine safety diconnect from the factory it also came with an Apex trigger kit. I use it in duty weapon matches in an open top holster with minimal retention.
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Not quite....

The M&P (and Shield) series have trigger safeties that are a PITA, but that limits the possibility of discharging the weapon by dropping it, or otherwise by something manipulating the trigger.

The trigger needs to be held back to actuate the striker block safety.

The striker block itself helps to prevent a discharge by way of dropping. It's not going to move to far by itself....

I'm a 1911 guy, and Condition One is the way I'm used to going, but in the absence of a thumb safety, a draw that fails to wipe off a non-existent safety ought to generate a whole lot less panic than failing to turn off a real one. So, I practice that way.... (I have a thumb safety on a 9C that I since gave to my daughter. She prefers that.)

My Shield has a thumb safety. It's not likely to get actuated by itself, and fairly easy to clear intentionally. Otherwise, the lock structure is quite similar to the older M&P. Mine has an Apex trigger mod (similar to the older models DCAEK kit) which helped a bit, although the trigger's pretty good out of the box.

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Not quite....

The M&P (and Shield) series have trigger safeties that are a PITA, but that limits the possibility of discharging the weapon by dropping it, or otherwise by something manipulating the trigger.

The trigger needs to be held back to actuate the striker block safety.

The striker block itself helps to prevent a discharge by way of dropping. It's not going to move to far by itself....

I'm a 1911 guy, and Condition One is the way I'm used to going, but in the absence of a thumb safety, a draw that fails to wipe off a non-existent safety ought to generate a whole lot less panic than failing to turn off a real one. So, I practice that way.... (I have a thumb safety on a 9C that I since gave to my daughter. She prefers that.)

My Shield has a thumb safety. It's not likely to get actuated by itself, and fairly easy to clear intentionally. Otherwise, the lock structure is quite similar to the older M&P. Mine has an Apex trigger mod (similar to the older models DCAEK kit) which helped a bit, although the trigger's pretty good out of the box.

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Which is why I said series 80, absent breakage the trigger has to be actuated to the rear somehow on either for the gun to fire...the m&p trigger safety is a drop safety nothing more
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Because that's what a lot of (gun-dumb) customers want!!!
after 40+ years with firearms I guess I'm (gun-dumb) too, I won't buy an MP with out the thumb safety, go figure, OR is you that can't figure how to work a safety under stress ?

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I Live in a free non restrictive state Good Old Kentucky.
I like the 1911 style safety that my M&P9C has. I am use to the 1911 and the safety is just natural. I also have striker fired pistols without the safety. My Glock 43 for example. I like the M&P9C safety. I use it and I am not Gun Stupid. Or at least my antimeres does not let me think that.

In fact I actually had to order mine so I good get the safety, I bought it off of GunBroker new and there was not that many listed when I bought mine.

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