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Old 04-23-2012, 07:16 PM
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Why would anyone want a thumb safety on an M&P so now bear with me on this? The M&P like the Glock is a striker fired weapon and there is no hammer to strike the firing pin which could possibly fire if the weapon were to be dropped but there is no hammer on an M&P!

While I do have one M&P that does have one just like my old model 59 it also has a mag disconnect the same as my model 59 but I bought it for a good price and don't even use the safety as it is unnecessary.

The only way a striker fired weapon will go off is if the trigger is pulled and with the cantilever or two stage trigger design that M&P has this almost has to be a purposeful act.

I own 5 M&P's 7 if you count the .357SIG barrels I have for my 40c and 40 fullsize and all are always fully loaded at all times even in the safe. I have had a Model 59 since 1982 and the same is true with it and it nor any other weapon has ever gone off without me pulling the trigger. Now I do chamber a round in them all and with the model 59 since it has a hammer I do engage the safety and disengage when ready to fire the weapon, it is natural as I am sure thumb safety is with those that carry the 1911 type weapons.

Can someone come up with a good reason to have a thumb safety on a striker fired weapon, I would sure like to hear it because I can see no logical reason for one in the first place!
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Because that's what a lot of (gun-dumb) customers want!!!
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That has to be one of the reasons and also for those that use the 1911's and are so accustomed to it so they figure why not have it and if it makes them feel better then God Bless them but it is not necessary, just like a television on your honeymoon night!
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The only way . . . is if the trigger is pulled and with the (M&P) design . . . this almost has to be a purposeful act.
That's the reason . . . "almost".
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Not "gun dumb". I have been an active handgun shooter for almost 30 years now and a competition shooter for about 10 years. I like the 1911 style thumb safety on the M&P pistol. I use it and it gives me a piece of mind. I do not like the very small thumb safeties on the Ruger SR9 or the M&P Shield. Under stress I would not be able to de activate those little safeties.
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I suspect that the thumb safety may be a way to gain points in certain states that are unfavorable to handguns and have stringent requirements before the pistol can be sold in those states.
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I suspect that the thumb safety may be a way to gain points in certain states that are unfavorable to handguns and have stringent requirements before the pistol can be sold in those states.
This is because those states that place weird requirements on guns mag cap and so forth really do not want you to have a gun in the first place and are just placing more hurdles so in Massachusetts (which is where Smith & Wesson is headquarted) you are not allowed to buy a magazine with more than a ten round cap and to make sure of that try to put ten rounds into a ten round Smith&Wesson mag, it ain't gonna happen! So you now go out and buy 10 10 round magazines so you just have to change mags more often and how long does that take?
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Not "gun dumb"...[...]... I like the 1911 style thumb safety on the M&P pistol. I use it and it gives me a piece of mind. I do not like the very small thumb safeties on the Ruger SR9 or the M&P Shield. Under stress I would not be able to de activate those little safeties.
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I really can’t give a good answer as to why I wanted it. I have been taught to always check the safety to make sure it’s on and only take it off when ready to shoot. Guess it’s just been drilled in. The weird thing is I don’t mind a revolver not having one.
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Why? Lawyers. That's why. I've carried Glocks, HKs, and numerous 1911s. I'm good with the safety. I'm good without. Won't use it on my Shield.
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Lawyers. Nuff said.
^^ This ^^ I suspect the only reason that S&W put a safety on the Shield was to cover their butt in case some goof shooting him/herself pulling the gun from a pocket/purse and dummy had a fingered curled over the trigger area. "But it's S&W's fault for not having a safety option" and the heck with gun handling safety rules.
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It's not "gun dumb". It's personal preference. If it's not something you want, don't buy the model with it. I applaud S&W for giving the firearms enthusiast a choice.

My M&P 9 doesn't have a frame safety. I'm a Glock owner so it's no big deal to me not having a safety. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot: aware of the foreground, the target, and the background.

My 1911 has a frame safety that I find easy to use, and not intrusive. A reflexive flick of the thumb, and the safety is off. I have a M&P 22 that has a frame safety, and I find it as easy to use and unobtrusive as a 1911's safety.

I agree with Jeb21. John Moses Browning got it right with the thumb safety concept. I don't like those little, hard to activate/deactivate, nub safeties that sit basically flush to the weapon. I also don't like the slide mounted safety system a-la Beretta 90-series.

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The Shield is an odd one. The one I fondled at the LGS had a pretty stout safety. It wasn't easy to engage/disengage it by accident. It took a bit of pressure. I'm not a big fan that style safety. At least S&W made it as unobtrusive as possible. If you don't want to use it, leave it disengaged.
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It's not "gun dumb". It's personal preference. If it's not something you want, don't buy the model with it. I applaud S&W for giving the firearms enthusiast a choice.

My M&P 9 doesn't have a frame safety. I'm a Glock owner so it's no big deal to me not having a safety. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot: aware of the foreground, the target, and the background.

My 1911 has a frame safety that I find easy to use, and not intrusive. A reflexive flick of the thumb, and the safety is off. I have a M&P 22 that has a frame safety, and I find it as easy to use and unobtrusive as a 1911's safety.

I agree with Jeb21. John Moses Browning got it right with the thumb safety concept. I don't like those little, hard to activate/deactivate, nub safeties that sit basically flush to the weapon. I also don't like the slide mounted safety system a-la Beretta 90-series.
You stated pretty much the idea for a weapon that uses a hammer but the M&P does not have one you could drive nails with it if you want and it would not fire, but the point is that a STRIKER FIRED weapon will only fire if the trigger, that thing within the trigger guard is squeezed and that is the whole point I was trying to make in the original post, which is without squeezing the two stage trigger with your finger in the correct place the M&P cannot fire the firing of this weapon is an act of whoever is holding the weapon to actually pull the trigger!
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You stated pretty much the idea for a weapon that uses a hammer but the M&P does not have one you could drive nails with it if you want and it would not fire, but the point is that a STRIKER FIRED weapon will only fire if the trigger, that thing within the trigger guard is squeezed and that is the whole point I was trying to make in the original post, which is without squeezing the two stage trigger with your finger in the correct place the M&P cannot fire the firing of this weapon is an act of whoever is holding the weapon to actually pull the trigger!
There is no contesting that point. Safety off or no safety, pull a trigger and you get a bang.

There's a generous amount of trigger area that can be depressed that will deactivate the trigger safety on a M&P. I can put my finger on either side of the trigger, and the trigger safety will disengage.

IMO, this is the one point I give the Glock's safe action trigger. The pad of my finger has to be on the exact center of that trigger, depressing that little lever, for the trigger safety to disengage.

This is something we just won't see eye-to-eye on, and that's a good thing. I think we both agree that the best "safety" is to keep your finger off the trigger until you're 100% ready to shoot, no matter the firearm.
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Well, this gun dumb guy (65 years old, been shooting since I was six) likes a manual safety, and that's why I ordered mine that way. If it makes you feel like more of a man without one, go for it. Don't know why you would care one way or the other.
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I had the choice of thumb safety or not. I chose the thumb safety because it is in keeping with my 43 years of shooting pistols. From the Combat Commander to Gold Cup [finally fitted with ambi safeties to give my thumb a rest] to my Browning Hi Power and even the 92FS [though it is a slide safety rather than frame], same motions and memories each time.

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Well, this gun dumb guy (65 years old, been shooting since I was six) likes a manual safety, and that's why I ordered mine that way. If it makes you feel like more of a man without one, go for it. Don't know why you would care one way or the other.

Can't add anything to this post. Has one sans safety-sold it and bought one with. If this makes me a gun dumb girlie man than so be it. Know what else??? I have a J frame 22 snubby AND I CARRY IT!!!!!!!!!
BUt as a concession-I will admit that none of my revolvers has a safety.
If we carry this argument further, that only when the trigger is pulled will the gun go off, then why do we have a thumb safety on 1911's ??
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Two reasons to have a safety:
1. When you are awakened at o'dark thirty, that extra action can keep you from having a negligent discharge from an adrenaline dump.
2. LEO's know that a separate safety can save your life in a fighting situation.
And if I want one, I have the freedom to have it on my handgun.
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I had two reasons for my choosing the M&P with the thumb safety. Gun dumb or not I carried a Glock CCW for 15 years and had a few instances where the trigger hooked on my shirt and IWB holster when reholstering. Didn't make the gun go off but it made me nervous. Bad gun handling on my part? probably. The other reason is that growing up with the 1911 platform I was always taught to sweep off the safety. I am teaching my daugther the same way, feeling that if she had to use another gun that has a safety in self defense I would rather she is used to swipe it off than fumble looking why it didn't go off. A far fetched senario? Probaby, but I do like that new gun people get used to putting on the safety until they get used to hndling loaded firearms. Is it lawyer induced? probably but I think it is great Smith and Wesson gives you the option to get it either way. Glock doesn't, it's take it or leave it. Besides it is pretty easy to remove the safety down the road if you decide you don'y want it on the gun and Smith will even give you the frame plugs. You can't add it on later if you decide you want it.
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If for any other reason, I like having a place to rest my thumb when shooting with a high thumb grip ala the 1911.

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My EDC rotation is a pair of Officer's-sized 1911's, with thumb safeties....

I ended up putting a thumb safety on my M&P40C, which I wear around the house (lighter, doesn't require a special belt, etc.), largely so practicing with the M&P has the same "manual of arms". That said, IMHO, if you normally train with a gun with a thumb safety, it's easier to deal with not finding the safety lever under stress than being surprised to find one, and even worse if it works backwards, like the older S&W semi's.

(How did I add a thumb safety? Cheated.... . I bought my daughter an M&P9C with a thumb safety, and she didn't want the gun. After a little thought, I just put the .40 slide & barrel on top, and used the .40 magazines. Works fine.... I could have swapped sear blocks into the 40C and cut the grip, but it was easier. You can't put a thumb safety on a standard sear block assembly....)

It really boils down to what you like, and what you're willing to train with.

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Absolutely. I'm not "gun dumb either and all my M&Ps have the thumb safety for commonality. Given a preference, I don't mind the magazine safety either.

The advantage of having a DA revolver or Glock is pull the trigger and they go bang. Minimal instruction, minimal effort.

The disadvantage of having a DA revolver or Glock is pull the trigger and they go bang. Minimal instruction, minimal effort.

I personally like the idea of having to be somewhat familiar with your firearm to make it go BANG. Familiarity a drug crazed home invader may not have.

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All the people that have shot themselves or someone else with a Glock; ask for it.
Those are the shooters who generally have to wear shin-guards and safety-toed boots for daily life.

Good thing someone put a safety on a gun for them!

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I've been shooting and carrying since 1984. This gun dummy likes the thumb safety. Since it's my gun, my life, and my choice, no explanation should be necessary.
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If a striker-fired pistol was truly safe, nobody would be able to shoot themselves with one, but we all know that people do. I understand that some people need to carry a pistol in condition 1, but most of us really don't. I've heard all the arguments and I still don't buy them. If someone wants a thumb safety on their M&P, so be it.

There are still 10 commandments of shooting safety, keeping a semi auto pistol in condition 1 at all times is a violation of 1 or more of them. Period. Same for the older "cocked and locked" carry method for DA pistols. When did it become okay to ignore the rules of shooting safety? Who was it that decided this was okay?

Nobody asked me, but this is my opinion.
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Strikers fired = single action. Who would carry a 1911 cocked and unlocked? I feel that a single action trigger might be too easy to inadvertantly bump and have an accidental discharge. Maybe I'm wrong but it's how I feel. I will never carry a single action only handgun that doesn't have a safety. I do prefer a Sig Sauer type da/sa trigger for a carry gun. That double action trigger pull is much safer in my mind.

I've owned a Glock and I just bought an M&P but it will only be used on the range where I can see a slight race advantage possible with single action only guns. I'll see how it works for me.
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Actually the answer is pretty simple. It's because they are hoping/trying to get military contracts with the M&Ps and that this is a typical demand of most armed forces. As to why they carried this to the Shield...I'm not sure as I don't see any armed forces using the Shield.
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If your gun is taken from you by an assailant, the safety may cause him some confusion and give you a few seconds to regain control.

I think the "trigger snagging on clothing" has some merit, too.

Just some thoughts...

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Why not have a safety? The danger of any firearm is not that it will "just go off" for no reason. The danger is that the trigger will be pulled when not intended. If that were not the case, there would be NO accidental discharges. If a manual safety can help eliminate that, why not have one?
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I was initially in the 'why would you want one camp' and to be brutally honest it isn't truly necessary. Having said that, though, I LOVE my M&Ps with the thumb safety. I have an M&P9 Pro without and it is my only one. I have my M&P45 full-size and my M&P9c both with thumb safety and if everything goes as well as planned I'll be picked up an M&P45 FDE full-size with thumb safety tomorrow to make it 3 out of 4.

I like it as much aesthetically as I do functionally; and I use it as much as a thumb rest as anything!
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The danger of any firearm is not that it will "just go off" for no reason. The danger is that the trigger will be pulled when not intended. If that were not the case, there would be NO accidental discharges. If a manual safety can help eliminate that, why not have one?
Unfortunately, the argument that, if it helps, "Why not have one?" easily can - and has - led to calls for safeties, then mechanical locks, then embedded locks, then biometric safeties . . . and ultimately a battery-operated gun. I can't remember the last time I reached for a flashlight and it actually worked as I needed it to lol.

Personally, I need a stronger argument. And for me it is simple.

Pulling the trigger is what fires the (striker) gun. A heavy trigger pull is often cited as preventing accidental discharge, and I'm sure it helps.

But that same citation also implicitly recognizes that an accidental, light trigger impact is possible . . . and personally I'm not interested in estimating how heavy an accidental trigger contact is likely to be. Nor am I interested in a trigger-mounted safety for the very same reason.

I've heard the arguments that a safety is not required, training and safe practices are the answer. Again from my perspective, a second mechanical device (ie, a safety) requires two accidents to occur. Requiring two actions (eg, 2 signatures, 2 keys to launch, etc) is not perfect, but is a well-recognized approach to preventing "accidents" while maintaining operability.

As for the safety interfering with rapid use . . . its sort of hard to argue that training overcomes the need for a safety without admitting that training should successfully incorporate releasing the safety as a routine part of your "draw".

So . . . personally . . . safeties that are easy to operate as part of the draw . . . like, eg, the M&P9 that I own . . . are positive safety features. When they are available, I will take them.

Safeties like on the SR22P (also a decocker) do not qualify for me - I tolerate it only because the SR22P is not a defensive weapon for me. The absence of a safety on my Ruger LCP is barely tolerated - I like the weapon for pocket carry, but wish it had a safety like the M&P's.

As always, YMMV.
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its about as stupid as the s&w that Ruger made (lc9), thumb safety, internal lock, mag disconnector.....
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So to answer the question as to why a safety, this is THE reason why it's on the M&Ps. It really has nothing to do with lawyers or marketing or anything like that, the reason for the safety was the proposed 2006 US Army Pistol Trials, this is taken from the wiki entry of what the government wanted....

Overview of 2005 JCP Solicitation

This was based on original solicitation, which was later modified, and finally, heavily changed in March 2006, with the program renamed to Combat Pistol.
The notice starts: The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP).
Two configurations required: One with no external safety and the other configuration will have an external safety.
The 'Combat Pistol System' is to consist of:
a Caliber .45 pistol (designed for A475 and AA18 rounds)
Magazines (standard and high-capacity);
Suppressor Attachment Kit
Holster
Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity)
Cleaning Kit and Operator's Manual.
Estimates for max procurement quantities for the system are listed as
45,000 no external safety
600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration
649,000 Holsters
96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines
192,099 High Capacity Magazines
667,000 Magazine Holders
132,037 Suppressor attachment kits
While this is the max procurement, in comparison the initial order for M9 pistols was for 300,000 pistols (followed by more later).


I bold-ed the part that calls for the safety. The M&P was one of the pistols submitted but ultimately the whole thing was nixed do to cost cuts. The M&Ps sold in NY and CA (and a couple others) do NOT have the thumb safety because of a state requirement that I'm sorry I do not remember.
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I find these threads tiring. Not everyone in America drives the same car, wears the same clothes, or uses the same cell phone, so why would the use firearms be any less diverse.

Im glad to see the OP doesn't need a magazine disconnect or external safety. For my needs, I carry a full size 3rd Gen S&W with a safety AND magazine disconnect. I figure the odds of a negligent discharge brought on by a momentary lapse in judgement in the next 70 odd years of my life are much higher than the likelihood ill be involved in an intense shootout requiring a reload after 15 rounds fired ,with one round left in the pipe to dispatch the bad guy.

I cannot speak to the OP's frequency of training new shooters, but I know from experience an external safety can literally save lives when new people are still learning the import of the Four Commandments-especially the commandments about keeping the finger off the trigger and pointing the weapon in sensitive directions. Ive taken newbies to the range who used to worship at the Altar of Liberalism, and having a way to turn the gun off means inevitable mistakes don't progress beyond a stern word about safety.

Just because a striker fired M&P sans any safeties works for you, does not make it a wise idea for the 200,000,000 odd other members of the militia.
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I still think S&W should have offered the Shield with a choice of external safety or not; like on the other M&P pistols. If they had, I would have picked one up w/o the external safety. Unless they do, I know quite a few shooters who are shying away. It's just one more thing that could malfunction at the wrong time.

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It would appear that the thumb safety can be disabled/removed, although not as easily as on the other M&P series semi's currently available....

If you can't get a model without one (anybody's guess what S&W has planned), and can't deal with "just leave it off", you probably can remove it.

However, there may be civil consequences to removing manufacturer-supplied safety devices should you use the thing, and somebody notice.... Mas Ayoob's a little paranoid about such things, but if you're an LEO, "deep pockets" - whether an "agency" or even an individual, could cause problems. Much better, IMHO, sharing his paranoia, to just leave the thing switched off....

The original 1911, btw, has a very tiny thumb safety lever. Nobody's going to carry one of those in Condition One with the safety off, and while a lot of aftermarket safeties came available (I don't know when), the originals are still in service.

(Unless you are stuck with an "agency" or local rule that demands an empty chamber, in which case the safety should be off, you are, IMHO, out of your mind to do that. It's not impossible to chamber a round eventually, but it's also not likely that you can do it before the danger has passed.)

Carrying a semi with an empty chamber, often called "Israeli Carry", seems to be based on passing out guns to anybody who asked, with the feeling that it was simply safer to teach people to turn all that stuff off, and to chamber a round if needed. The concept of "better than nothing" and "everybody's got a gun" seems to drive this when the source of the weapons is nearly random. I would, I think, learn how to deal with Condition One (and practice) real fast.

If you check out Tueller's work (21'), it's based on an openly carried weapon that's ready to go. Tueller was an optimist anyway - it seems that drawing from concealment needs more like 60', and dealing with chambering a round, even more.

Hopefully S&W will offer the Shield without the thumb safety if people want it that way. I wouldn't mind buying one that doesn't have it, and then add one. If I then decided that I didn't want it, I could take it back off again.

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but the point is that a STRIKER FIRED weapon will only fire if the trigger, that thing within the trigger guard
First, you mean to tell me and the rest of the gun owners, young and old, on this forum that the thing inside the trigger guard is the trigger? And to think I thought it was just for looks. No wonder I can't get my gun to shoot..
Second, you don't think there could be something in someone's pocket that could press the, what u call it, oh yeah trigger accidentally? Someone could slip the gun into their pocket and forget there was a tube of chapstick in there. Or a woman's purse!!! Holy sh*t, that's a accidental discharge waiting to happen. And from what I've read the shield is catered for ladies and their purses.....IMO this gun has exactly what it needs, a safety for people who want it and need it in a pocket or purse, and a safety! For people who holster it and can chose one way or the other, and it not be in the way if chosen not to use it.....
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I don't like the safety on it for the fact that I am a leftie.

If you are going to put a safety on a gun it should be an ambi safety so everyone can use the gun.

That being said if I were to buy one I would remove the wrong sided safety.

I may not buy one because I would have to put more into the gun to make it right for me than it would cost for the gun.

Yes us in MASS are going to get the Sucky 10 Lb trigger, so I would have to do a trigger job and by the time I get done running back and forth to my Gun Smith the cost of repair and gas would be more than the gun.

Plus the gun will not be availabe to us in MASS till at least June ( as told to me by S&W).

So I may not buy one because of that and because the safety is on the wrong side. Plus I would want it in the 40, I haven't shot the 40 yet, but I'm kind of thinking that the 40 is going to be to much for this gun.
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One reason is that the military requires it. So if you want to compete in military trials you have to have it.
A lot of 1911 fans like the thumb safety; and want their other pistols to be like the 1911. Personally, I like an exposed hammer like the HK has. I do not like having to place my thumb on top of a thumb safety ( a requirement in all tactical courses). It is uncomfortable for me. So I like the striker fired pistols without the thumb safety.
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a thumb safety on a DAO pistol as one poster put it, is intended for a ladies purse or a guy who carries chapstick. in other words non gun handling people. in fact i heard that S&W is going to start putting a thumb safety on on their 642s because of all the tampons and chapstick tubes getting stuck in the trigger guards.
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I carry my 45c always and always chambered. The only safety for my gun is located between my ears.

If you carry a gun in your pocket, the only thing in pocket should be a gun.
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"The M&Ps sold in NY and CA (and a couple others) do NOT have the thumb safety because of a state requirement that I'm sorry I do not remember. "

That may be because of the requirement for a lock on the pistol. If the weapon has a thumb safety, there's no room for a lock mechanism.
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"The M&Ps sold in NY and CA (and a couple others) do NOT have the thumb safety because of a state requirement that I'm sorry I do not remember. "

That may be because of the requirement for a lock on the pistol. If the weapon has a thumb safety, there's no room for a lock mechanism.
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The Hilary Lock eats the space needed for some of the parts required for the thumb safety on the sear block.... While it's easy enough to remove the Hilary Lock, you can't put the thumb safety parts on that sear block....

At least on the existing M&P designs. Dunno about the Shield, but it sure looks like it. (I still haven't had a chance to play with one.)

I expect we will have a "no thumb safety" version, and one with a Hilary Lock soon enough. Can't say about the Mass-compatible trigger thing, but that's been easy to defeat in the older versions.

The .40 Shield is going to be a handful, but, IMHO, if they got the trigger right, probably tolerable. The M&P40C is only slightly more snappy than it's full sized brother, and I have the feeling that the shorter barrel will reduce recoil a smidge. I would try it, at least. No budget right now, but I think I'd buy the .40 if the wife wasn't looking .

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All I have to say is this
Thank God for Baskin-Robbins lots of flavors to choose from, so everyone gets what they want.
I would imagine that in the future S&W will probobly offer a version without it, but who knows. There are brands out there without them, so buy those.

The Thumb Safety isnt for everyone, but I have been shooting Glock for a LONG time, I have no issue with my Shield and its thumb safety.

I think some are offended that they arent given the option, I personally love this little gun, could care less about the thumb safety.
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