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Old 05-29-2012, 02:26 PM
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I have a new M&P S&W Shield 9. (I also have a full size M&P 40 and a full size M&P 9). I also have 16 other guns; mostly semi-autos.

I took my new shield to the range the first time, and, like I do all new semi-auto pistols; I assume it will be accurte until proved otherwise. Well, I shot only at steel plates the first trip to the range. I was shocked, I could not knock ANY down. These ranged from rows in front at roughly 7/8 yards, out to a final row at about 15 yards distance. I finally decided to shoot only at the closest (7/8 yard distance) set of plates, and when I really concentrated, I could knock them down (8 inch steel plates). The gun functioned flawlessly, with 150 rounds of my reloads (115 grain FMJ bullets useing Winchester 231 powder), and about 15 rounds of Hornady 115 grain Critcal Defense hollowpoints. I was, needless to say, very disappointed in the lack of accuracy, since I planned on carrying this gun for concealed carry. Even if it functions perfectly, if I can't hit my target, I can't trust the gun. So, I decided to make another range trip on another day and take some Shoot N' See paper targets. Well, guess what, I saw right away that I was shooting way low left! Since the pistol is small and the grip is thin, I tried different finger positions and concentrated on making sure that I was using the TIP of my trigger finger and NOT using my finger clear up to the first joint (like one would shooting a revolver). When really concentraing on using the tip of my finger only, I was able to get the shots on the target a little more to the right (but still low). And, using only my finger tip, I was only able to move it slightly to to the right. This (paper target) shooting was done at about 7 yards. I tried shooting at 5 yards, and it did move the point of impact on the target, slightly to the right, but still shot low left (abut 2-3 inches left of bullseye). So, I am very disapointed at the results! I shoot Glocks, S&W M&P, Springfield XD pistols, as well as Ruger SR pistols (all in 9 and in 40 S&W caliber). I don't have accuracy problems with them. I am going to buy a new set of drift tools and try drifting the front sight to bring it on target. However, just eye balling the front and rear sights (from the factory), they appear to be centered. I think it is something inherent in the design of the barrel or pistol that causes the low / left results. I would appreciate any feedback you have on any different results, or what you hear back from Smith & Wesson on this issue. That same day I shot my Ruger 1911 in 45 and at 15 yards I don't have to even aim, I just point and shoot, and I RARELY miss the bullseye! Thanks, Buckeye49.

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Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions.

I'm stuck on the fence now about making any changes to the weapon, as my preference is that if I do send it back, I want it to be exactly as it left the factory.

I will be trying several of the suggestions given before I do the DCAEK.

The heart of my concern is this will be my CCW, and if I ever need it I don't want to have to remember all of the sight picture adjustments needed for a given distance, and if it is truly that far off my concern is where a missed round could end up. Imagine a stress situation where we train for center mass, the bad guy is @ 10 yds and he ends up with a hole in his front right pocket.

I have plenty of other weapons to use to make pretty little groups of holes in paper with!

I love this firearm!

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Old 05-29-2012, 03:44 PM
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What happens when you dry fire the Shield? I know when I got mine I had a pronounced shift of the front sight when the trigger broke. I had to adjust my grip and alter the pressure I was using on my weak hand to virtually eliminate it. Once I did that it shot just fine. At this point I would be as confident in using the Shield in a SD situation as I would my other M&Ps.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:25 PM
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When I dry fire, the front sight does NOT move.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:25 PM
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How many rounds through it so far??
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:44 PM
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When I dry fire, the front sight does NOT move.
Well, that's good news. How does it shoot, accuracy wise, when fired from a rest? If it's still off target then I'd either adjust the sights or send it in.
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:38 PM
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I hear what ya'll are saying and there is a lot of truth about a smaller gun and all, but I had to drift adjust both my Shields as both were shooting left and in this case it definitely was not the shooter(s). My wife's 9mm was about three inches left @7 yards and my .40 about 1 1/2" @7 yards and several people had the same result with both these guns. Elevation and grouping was perfect on both guns but the wife's front sight and my rear sight were both clearly visibly not centered in the dovetails. After a couple respective windage adjustments, am happy to report that both Shields are now dead-nuts on accurate. I was a bit discouraged at first as that is the first time I've ever had to adjust a new M&P (we have 7) but we couldn't be happier now. Guess maybe in the rush to get these guns produced a few got through with the sights less than centered? It's all good now.
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:49 PM
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That's a bummer that the sights came that way, just glad you got it worked out. Probably will appreciate the Shields that much more since a bad experience was corrected to your satisfaction. "dead nuts" accurate.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:27 PM
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Well, I have a Berettta 92A1 I had to have a local smith adjust the slights on. They were not centered in the slide either
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:29 PM
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So glad I found this thread. My 40 Shield has been driving me (righty shooter) crazy with left and low. Love shooting the pistol but not putting rounds where I want 'em has been frustrating. I had about decided it had to do with my grip -- I use the Weaver -- and the fact I can't get much left palm against the butt. But thanks to you guys' advice, I'll try some of the other fixes before calling for the calf rope from S&W.

Don't think it's recoil awareness -- I'd been shooting an M&P 45 for the past couple of months and had gotten pretty consistent with it -- but am frankly not an experienced shooter and tend to blame my own technique first when not getting the results I want. To make matters even more frustrating, out of exasperation I shot five rounds one-handed (right) today and all five hit the target in an acceptable-to-me grouping. Arrrgh, but it tells me that at least in a close-quarters SD situation I could get the job done with my Shield.

I know these sub-compacts are not "target pistols" but it's a point of pride with me to be able to hit what I'm shooting at up to 25 yards. So far, I'm not there with my Shield, but hey, the fun's in getting there, right?

Just asking: I don't have tools or expertise for drifting sights. Should I send it to S&W if none of the other fixes works, or would a local gunsmith be able to handle it? Do they check 'em with jigs or tools like micrometers, or is the proof gonna be in the shootin'?
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:44 AM
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Well, here are the resutls of my 3rd trip to the range with my new S&W M&P 9 Shield: (First trip I shot steel plates only; could not hit the side of a barn with it; but it functioned perfectly with 150 rounds of 115 grain reloads and about 15 rounds of Hornady 115 grain critical defense hollow points). On my 2nd trip I took a Shoot N See target and stand and fiired standing. On could see then clearly that I was making a very tight grouping at 10 yards but was shooting low and way left. So I moved back to 7 yards. I was still grouping great, but my htis were all about 2 to 3 inches left of center bullseye, and a tad low. So, on my 3rd trip to the range I took Shoot N See targes and shot from a bench rest. Again, I had identical results; shooting way left. A young fellow I had never met came along and said oh, is that the new M&P Shiled? I said yes, do you want to shoot try it? Of course he said yes. He shot a two 5 shot groups at a fresh Shoot N See target I set up for him and he also shot low and left, with a good group. So, I am now convinced that I need to drift the front sight left to correct this. I am a little disappointed since I have a full size M&P 9 and full size M&P 40 and did not have to adjust any of the sights on them; they were both dead on out of the box. Also, some people are saying the trigger has improved on the Shield over the original full size 40 and 9mm pistols; however I don't fell any IMPROVEMENT. But, there is a definite difference. The new Shield has almost no take-up and breaks clean, but I think the trigger pull is a little harder than the full size M&Ps I have. I can't depend on the M&P 9 Shield pistol for conceal carry if I can't hit bullseye with it a 21 feet. It is a shame because this little pistol has had 240 rounds through it with not one failure of any kind, period.
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Well... If everyone is hitting low & left, even from a rest, it may be time to call S&W Service and see what they say. They may simply offer to swap out the barrel & slide to rule out Slide/Barrel mismatch (rather than sending the entire pistol in for service).

Even though the Slide may be within Specs and the barrel may be within specs, the slide may be at one end of the tolerances and the barrel may be at the other end (resulting in a bad match-up). [shrug]
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:07 PM
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I hate to do so; but I may have to return the pistol to S&W for them to check it out. I hate to start trying to drift the front sight, and them have them tell me I screwed something up. I'd rather let them figure it out.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:15 PM
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Since you've confirmed it to be off by shooting from a rest I'd be inclined to send it off to S&W and have them take a look at it.

I sent mine back on 5/10 for an issue with the breech face and it's scheduled to show up at my door tomorrow, so plan on roughly 3.5 weeks for the turnaround.
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I hate to do so; but I may have to return the pistol to S&W for them to check it out. I hate to start trying to drift the front sight, and them have them tell me I screwed something up. I'd rather let them figure it out.
Before you pack it up and ship it off though, call (or email) them and see if they NEED the entire pistol. Sending just the slide & barrel (if that's all they need) is a lot easier to send in the small Priority Mail box (insured), than shipping the entire pistol via FedEx/UPS and dealing with their firearm rules & regs.
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My buddies M&P shield 40 was shooting low left also Espicaslly so with Speer Lawman 165 gr TMJ ammo. We pushed the front sight to the RIGHT just a tad, Now its right on the money. Winchester 165 Grain SXT worked real well and was extremely accurate. AT the 7yd line a 7 round group were all touching.
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Why are yall complaining atleast your grouping them somewere im all over the place hahaha
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My buddies M&P shield 40 was shooting low left also Espicaslly so with Speer Lawman 165 gr TMJ ammo. We pushed the front sight to the RIGHT just a tad, Now its right on the money. Winchester 165 Grain SXT worked real well and was extremely accurate. AT the 7yd line a 7 round group were all touching.
Then you moved the front sight in the WRONG direction...
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Then you moved the front sight in the WRONG direction...
Possibly But The weapon now shoot POA POI
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My Shield .40 shoots (for me) low left. Any round, any configuration.

Soooo yesterday I take it, a Nano and a P290 to the range. Same result with the Shield - no issues with the other two. I ask a fellow shooter, who I know to be a first class competitive pistol guy, to take a few shots. He's never seen, much less shot, a Shield. Result: 3 mags @ 7 yards all in 1.5".

For me, it ain't the gun, it's the shooter. Gonna have to spend a few range trips optimizing my grip to get the necessary results.
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Possibly But The weapon now shoot POA POI
No possible to it. Drifting the front sight to the RIGHT would have made your buddy shoot even further LEFT. Think something else cured his ills...
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No possible to it. Drifting the front sight to the RIGHT would have made your buddy shoot even further LEFT. Think something else cured his ills...
we moved nothing but the front sight. i am headed to the range now to confirm its accuracy
Regardless if something else cured his ills. we still moved the sight right and now it POA POI

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we moved nothing but the front sight. i am headed to the range now to confirm its accuracy
Regardless if something else cured his ills. we still moved the sight right and now it POA POI
Whatever...
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So I have a Sigma 40, M&P 40c, and a 22a. Shooting all three by rotating thru has made me better. The Sigma requires a consistent - steady pull to be accurate. The M&P 40c reminds me to lock my wrists. The 22a exposes any flinching. Also, shooting one handed - switching hands - is teaching me a lot as well. Ultimately, its me that needs to improve.

Only perfect practice makes perfect. My methodical analysis - learned from being in manufacturing, engineering, and now sales - has taught me in this real to look at my grip at every point and study analysis charts. I wish I could spend more money and hit the bulls eye, but like any sport - 99% of the time its the person. The money here is ammo, range time, & classes.

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Whatever...
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I would rather you NOT reply with sarcasim. Rolleyes somewhere else i was looking for a suggestion NOT Sacracim.
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No problem here. Actually, I was slightly annoyed but am now amused by your continued resistance to basic facts. Here is my suggestion for the 3rd and last time: You drift the front sight in the opposite direction that you want the POI to move. Hope this helps...
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No problem here. Actually, I was slightly annoyed but am now amused by your continued resistance to basic facts. Here is my suggestion for the 3rd and last time: You drift the front sight in the opposite direction that you want the POI to move. Hope this helps...
You were annoyed? <i am sorry if my little situation annoyed you. I can only imagine if you had a real issue in life how that would effect you. Nevertheless, you can tell me all u want where and how to drift the front sight. Actually i would you rather NOT reply anymore but I think you will. Your Air Force?? ok, explains everything.
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You were annoyed? <i am sorry if my little situation annoyed you. I can only imagine if you had a real issue in life how that would effect you. Nevertheless, you can tell me all u want where and how to drift the front sight. Actually i would you rather NOT reply anymore but I think you will. Your Air Force?? ok, explains everything.
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[QUOTE=OpsMgr;136550935]Carry on...[/QUOT
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If your buddies' gun was shooting left and you drifted the FRONT sight to the RIGHT, then the gun would be shooting even more to the left! To bring the gun on target, you move the FRONT sight in the direction opposit of where you want to hit on the target.
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When you say you moved it right, do you mean right from the rear of the gun? if you had the slide off the gun and in a vise it can be a little confusing, you might have moved it right from the muzzel end which is actually left.
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Finally, +1^.
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Hi all. I am new to shooting so I thought it was me and it may be. I will try the 1st joint trigger pull. However I must add that this gun has a definite what I call a shiver of the entire top of the gun on trigger pull no matter how I do it. My sig p238 is solid as a rock, if the barrel moves at all I know it is my fault. I guess I don't know enough to say if this is abnormal for this model but it sure makes me feel like the gun cannot be accurate. S&W says it meets specs.
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First time out for me I was grouping good , just .... wait for it.... LOW AND LEFT . I knew what was happening , thin , new gun .... I'm puling left and down . Must work on trigger control . I then did a little dry firing (1-2k ) and it got better . I then did alittle trigger work and it got better . I have now done a trigger overtravel stop (see my other post ) and the gun doesn't move when pulling trigger . I believe the sloppy overtravel is the biggest culprit you have to deal with . The factory trigger is good and crisp , not to hard . But once it breaks it wiggles and jumps... DOWN AND LEFT (for a righty) . Either learn it or fix it , or both !
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I have an M&P9 and a compact but not a Shield (haven't been able to find one yet). I tended to shoot low with both of then using 115 grain bullets. Lots of 9mm's shoot better with heavier bullets so I tried 124 FMJ loads. They shoot to POA when I do my part.
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I would like to introduce myself by saying both myself and my brother recently purchased two .40 Shields. These are among an STI, M&P compact, M&P pro series, Springfield XDM, Browning 9mm and others.
Our first time on the range we were greatly disappointed in that both guns shot to the left and low. I now read on this forum others having similar issues.
It appears the sights need adjusting which is something S&W should never have let occur. We are disappointed in such a high demand pistol that comes from the factor with sight adjustment issues.
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I would like to introduce myself by saying both myself and my brother recently purchased two .40 Shields. These are among an STI, M&P compact, M&P pro series, Springfield XDM, Browning 9mm and others.
Our first time on the range we were greatly disappointed in that both guns shot to the left and low. I now read on this forum others having similar issues.
It appears the sights need adjusting which is something S&W should never have let occur. We are disappointed in such a high demand pistol that comes from the factor with sight adjustment issues.
99% of the time it's recoil anticipation and trigger control. Are your sights visibly off center?
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I think you are right. It is as many have pointed out that I believe 50 rounds is not enough to complain just yet. The shield is different that the other guns I am used to shooting and I believe, as pointed out, to be fair I just need to get shoot it more before making a judgement.
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I was trained by a IDPA world champion on how to shoot. It was an intense two days. I shot apx 3000 rounds in two days, and when you are tired your mind takes over and you will shoot better , ONLY when you are not thinking of the shot , just reacting to it. I shot low and to the left also. When I was holding the pistol and Len used his finger to activate the trigger the bullets went straight. I was pulling the gun to the left & downward when I squeezed the trigger instead of pushing the trigger straight back. I have a Glock 17 that shoots low and to the left, but it only does that with a certain load that I shoot. I'm not saying that it is you, or your pistol but 99 times out of a hundred it is the shooter. But , different loads, weight of bullet and type, powder, etc. are all different. I had to adjust my sights on my pistol as I really like this certain load and how if feels when shot. That corrected my problem. Now when I shoot low and to the left , I know it is me and not the pistol. Try shooting off sand bags, try differnt bullet weights and types, different powers and charge rates , one or two grains can make alot of difference in a small cartridge, and see if that will solve your problem. Worse case you might have to adjust your sights to hit where you are aiming. Enough said. You will have alot better feel of your pistol after trying all the different combinations available and your gun will shoot one load better than the others. Anyway, it has for all of my guns, they are just like women (hate mail coming) tempermental but when you figure them out they are awsome. Just play around and it will work out. Keep shooting.

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Hello, I am a new shield owner. I found this forum after I took my gun to the range.I will give you three guesses why i found this one in particular but you wont need the first 2. 3 inches left 2 inches low @ 7 yards.. not amused with my new purchase, I called smith and wesson, waited 28 minutes in hold, (no exaggeration) and told the! nice lady what my new gun was doing and she didnt fight me at all, a postage paid box is in transit after a 3 minute conversation. It will take the 3-5 weeks but she told me when I get it back it will hit where its supposed to. Hope this helps.
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Hello, I am a new shield owner. I found this forum after I took my gun to the range.I will give you three guesses why i found this one in particular but you wont need the first 2. 3 inches left 2 inches low @ 7 yards.. not amused with my new purchase, I called smith and wesson, waited 28 minutes in hold, (no exaggeration) and told the! nice lady what my new gun was doing and she didnt fight me at all, a postage paid box is in transit after a 3 minute conversation. It will take the 3-5 weeks but she told me when I get it back it will hit where its supposed to. Hope this helps.
no disrespect, but don't be surprised if your pistola comes back as it was sent. low and left is a classic operator error scenario.

of course, a very few pistols do actually shoot low and left, so maybe i'll eat my words.......maybe
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I benched it on bags. Do you think i want to be without my gun for 6 weeks? 50 rounds made a tight circle. With an xd45c I am a can killer at 15 yards. I also had my gfs dad shoot it (recently retired from the military and owner of the xd) with the same results. I will report when i get it back.
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I will be picking up a Shield .40 in a few days and it will be interesting to see where it shoots. Last May, I bought a FS .40 and it shot low and left, time after time. I took a Basic Pistol class, and corrected some bad habits, and started shooting left only, no longer low, and we diagnosed the sights needed to be adjusted. Once I drifted my rear sight, POA and POI have been happily married (with my slight hand tremor spreading the shots a little). So my low and to the left was a combo deal.

I plan to put some TFO Truglos on my Shield like the ones I picked up for my FS, but I want to shoot enough to determine how the factory sights are set. Here's hopin'!
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I benched it on bags. Do you think i want to be without my gun for 6 weeks? 50 rounds made a tight circle. With an xd45c I am a can killer at 15 yards. I also had my gfs dad shoot it (recently retired from the military and owner of the xd) with the same results. I will report when i get it back.
It may indeed be the gun but if you've never shot an M&P before you may be in for a shock as lots and lots of experienced shooters that pick up an M&P shoot low/left due to the trigger. They all have a similar story that it can't be them as they shoot 1911's, Glocks, etc. and are very accurate with them so it has to be the firearm.

As stated earlier, unless the sights are visibly off don't be surprised if it comes back 'fixed' and still shoots low/left

Oh, and be sure you are using the correct sight picture (#3) for the M&P as it uses a combat hold where the front dot should be on the target. That could account for the low part of the equation if you are using a six o'clock sight picture.
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If you mix a few dummy rounds in your mag you will see for sure if you are yanking the gun off target or if the sights are centered when the hammer falls.
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I drifted the front sight on my shield so that I could move to bullseye. I drifted the front sight more than I should have had to move it. I was shooting to left, so I drifted the front sight to the left (to correct the issue). I don't see, at 21 ft. much difference. I finally gave up and ended up drifting the sight back to (what appears to be) roughly center again. I have come to the realization, at least for me, that I can't shoot ANY small pistol accurately. I have decided none of the smaller (less than 3.5" barrel ) pisols that I ahve, and have shot, are accurate for me. I would NOT trust using one inn a self defense scenario, esecially if I was trying to take out the bad guy who may be holding a hostage. I woiuld be very afraid that I would hit the innocent person. So, I guess I just won't carry any more. But, if the SHTF, I will grab my 5" 45 ACP and won't care WHO sees it; becauseI don't miss with my 1911. I also don't miss with my 4 1/4" full size M&P 40, and I don't miss with my XD40 or XD9 full size pistols. I dont' miss with my Glock 17 or my Glock 22 either. (all full size). I also don't miss with my SR9 or SR40 in full size. So there S&W what do you think of them apples. I am NOT impressed with small guns from ANY of the manufacturers.

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Hello, I am a new shield owner. I found this forum after I took my gun to the range.I will give you three guesses why i found this one in particular but you wont need the first 2. 3 inches left 2 inches low @ 7 yards.. not amused with my new purchase, I called smith and wesson, waited 28 minutes in hold, (no exaggeration) and told the! nice lady what my new gun was doing and she didnt fight me at all, a postage paid box is in transit after a 3 minute conversation. It will take the 3-5 weeks but she told me when I get it back it will hit where its supposed to. Hope this helps.
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I benched it on bags. Do you think i want to be without my gun for 6 weeks? 50 rounds made a tight circle. With an xd45c I am a can killer at 15 yards. I also had my gfs dad shoot it (recently retired from the military and owner of the xd) with the same results. I will report when i get it back.
No disrespect but being in the military means squat. I've trained enough soldiers to know, and I'm also in the military.

Also, human error can still be a factor with the pistol rested on a bag or "benched". That's why they make ransom rests.
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Same thing with me when i first got my shield. My fix was to use a two finger grip and let my pinky finger ride under the mag and use more support hand pressure. The pistol feels much better in my hand now and bingo, my shield shoots dead on now. Try it it might help.
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My first 2 trips to the range with my shield had the same results low and left. I practiced trigger control by dry firing and worked on my grip. Just had my third trip to the range and the groups were dead on. I'm convinced the thin nature of the shield makes trigger control and the grip even more important. For me I need to make sure the weak hand is filling the weak side of the grip.
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