well if it's on the internet .. it must be true!



bon jour

A lot of people don't realize 9mm and 40 S&W are actually rated at the same pressure.

SAAMI pressure specs

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386NG, M&P R8, M&P40c, 460 XVR

I own an M&P 40 and love it. I have shot nearly 1000 rounds without a problem and it never jams. It is very comfortable and accurate. I also own a Glock 27 but it does not fit may hand well so I purchased the M&P 40. Surprisingly the M&P has less snap than the 27. The M&P 40 is slim and lightweight for a 40 cal, it is a very good carry gun. I like the hitting power of a 40 cal.

Here is a link to a hickok45 video of the M&P with the crack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFAt63aNbY

I would like to know what Smith & Wesson would do if my gun develops a crack three years from now.

Here is a link to a photo of the crack.
http://bidtogo.com/sw/MP_Crack.png

My 9mm shield frame is cracked in the 1st 30 rounds sent into Smith and Wesson. They said it was the ammo and it wasn't a defect in manufacturing. Here is your gun back. But they offered to sell me a new gun for 339.00 lol. Like i'd ever buy a smith again. I wouldn't count on them fixing any crack.

I don't think this thread is what it's cracked up to be

Ok let it be known it's going to turn into a internet/forum brush fire lol .
If you believed everything you read on the Internet you wouldn't own anything just remember that folks . When there's any problems with anything also remember if there was it was probably a handful out of millions no matter what product it is .
Your going to have some genuine people that had issues and then there's the trolls running with the ball . Happy Sifting 😛

I realize that this is an older thread, but I encountered it while searching for information on Cracked frames on shields.

Mine cracked today while at the range, or at least, it had a number of malfunctions today. While researching the malfunctions, I came across a different thread on this forum, describing the same problems that I was having. The poster found a crack between the trigger and the magazine release button. I checked my Shield .40, and there was the same crack . It was apparently allowing the frame to flex enough to allow the catch on the slide release to push the magazine over against the trigger draw bar, and prevent engagement with the sear.

The mythical frame crack that everyone in this thread agrees doesn't exist...exists. I'll be calling S&W tomorrow.

Wow sorry to hear that it does seem to be pretty rare to have that issue . Have any pictures of the crack I'm sure it would help a lot of folks out showing exactly were to look and also to remove and shadows of doubt .

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All I have to say is........

No picture at the moment, but the crack is not in doubt, and extends between the trigger and the mag release button.

How old is your Shield? Recent production or a 2012, etc?

What brand/brands of ammunition have you fired through it?

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Nevermind, answered my own question after searching. Another reload case failure.

The case shown in the thread you referenced was another situation, and the firearm experienced no damage at the time.

The cracked frame occurred on a new shield, less than 200 rounds, and the ammunition was factory range ammo purchased at the desk at an indoor range, Remington UMC 180 grain.

There was no indication of an ammunition problem or anything that suggested bad ammunition while shooting. Initially it fired fine, and was making a ragged hole in the target. They I began to experience failures to feed, all out of one magazine: the longer 7 round mag. I set that aside and continued shooting with the shorter flush 6 round magazines, but began to experience failures to lock back, then the last round would eject, but the trigger acted as though it wasn't tripping the striker. This began happening with rounds in the chamber, and one could pull the trigger ten times, with nothing, and then it would catch and fire.

It seemed to mostly occur on the last round or two in the magazine, and was occurring with all the magazines. I tried it with empty magazines, and it was occurring there, too. Outside, I gathered with several other shooters who examined the pistol, as well as the rangemaster that day, a well known instructor. Each was able to see the malfunction for themselves using empty magazines. It was intermittent.

We all examined the pistol closely, and didn't see any obvious defect, but it was that evening when I got home and found the thread detailing a similar malfunction on this site, that I inspected and found the crack.

All told, less than 200 rounds through a new pistol, factory ammunition.

The former case mentioned above, pictures that you linked, is another matter and one left at home. I'm in the field presently, and don't have access to any of my other firearms, as they're locked in a safe at home. I brought one new Shield .40 with me on the road, hoping for a chance to do some shooting. I got to a range, and this is what happened.

So we're talking two different shield .40 cals?

Well I have 2 both 40s both 2013 mfg dates.
Mine has probably 1200 or so thru it no issues.
Wives has maybe 400 thru it no issues either.
Like most man made things there will be a few lemons of the thousands of them sold I believe this is a very limited issue.

Interesting thread.

I received a letter from S&W today. It states:

"After a thorough review, we have determined that the damage to this weapon was not the result of a defect in the materials or workmanship of the handgun. We do not recommend firing this firearm as it is not in a safe condition to shoot.

Because we value you as a Smith & Wesson customer, we would like to extend a replacmeent handgun to you at a reduced cost. A new Shield...would be $318.90 plus #15.00 for S&H."

This is consistent with every other case of warranty service I've found regarding the Shield. S&W clearly does NOT stand behind their product.

Someone asked; 2014 production, I believe. No safety. Purchased new. Just under 200 rounds total. Remington factory ammunition, purchased in the box at the indoor range. No indications of an overpressure round, nothing unusual in the feel, sound, or function of the ammunition, nothing found in the cases to indicate overpressure.

What I got from the letter sounded a lot more like "Because we value you as a customer, we won't honor our warranty."

Where is the data from the testing to show that the pistol cracked because of something other than manufacturer defects? It sure as hell wasn't the ammunition. Under 200 rounds? A lot of handguns take more than that for break-in.

The first handgun I carried personally, and while employed, was a S&W Model 10. I've been using S&W products, including handcuffs, revolvers, and autos, for a long time.

Not any more. A company that won't stand behind their products, and that engages in bait and switch tactics (can't honor warranty, but will sell a new pistol) is dishonorable and is not one to be trusted.

Thisis why I waited and got a Glock 43.

okay..... You waited 2 Months since the last reply to write this?

I thought this thread was dead?

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Because glocks never had frame failures apparently...