Sooo, should I trade in my P40??

Do what I did.

Buy the Shield. Shoot it side by side with your Kahr. Then sell whichever you like the least.

Not at all...my Shield fits in my Wrangler cargo pants pocket with no issues at all.

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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Priceless!

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Recovering Glockaholic!

I own 5 M&Ps, love them all. If I didn't have a 9C, may consider the shield. I went to the LGS and would have walked out with a shield if I could honestly see a scenario, or niche, that wasn't filled by my 9C or CM9, there wasn't. No way does the shield carry better than my CM9. It'll easily do pocket carry and rides very comfortably in an ankle holster. The trigger pull is similar, if not better, than a double action only snub. I can see buying the shield if someone is looking for a suitable substitute for a 3913 size firearm. If you are looking for a concealable alternative to a 38 snub, the CM9 is all that. Personally, if my choice of carry was an IWB holster, I'd pick the 9C every day plus sunday. My 9C with the Apex parts is a skull thunking machine at 25 yards.

I agree! I like the Shield much better than the PM-9 I pocket carried for 2 years and pocket carried a S&W Bodyguard for 20 years before that. It rides in the same "modified" pocket holster for the PM-9. I could give many reasons why I prefer my Shield over the Kahr, but why? People like Ford, Chevy, or Dodge, so what!

Ok...I changed my mind! I will give a reason why I like the Shield better than the Kahr. I'm 59 and the Shield's trigger and grip feels much better to my arthritic hand. I can shoot/practice for longer periods of time without fatigue. That is BIG to me!

I haven't been back to KahrTalk since the video of the Shield going out of battery came out...

You KNOW they are bashing the Shield now.

With those pockets - you could carry a 1911!

I have not had the opportunity to shoot a Shield (yet).

But I will point out that anytime people get really upset about something else it's because they are worried, threatened or afraid by the new thing.

Kahr's are really nice guns. But there is room in the world for a lot of variety, so I welcome the arrival of the Shield ... and wouldn't mind if it takes Glock down a peg or two.

I love my PM9. That being said, I handled the Shield at my LGS and loved the grip and trigger. THAT being said - the little extra length puts the Shield out of back pocket carry range for me. I'll go shoot the Shield when they put one at the rental counter - should be fun@

I have no idea what size pockets you guys that say you can carry the Shield in your pockets have, but they are waaaay bigger than mine.

I can carry a PM9 in my shorts and jeans front pocket. Draw is slower than with a J-frame since one has to sorta remove the gun without catching it on the slide.

A J-frame just comes out.

The Shield is bigger in the height and the length of the slide (at the rear) so one really has to work the gun out rather than simply drawing.

Now maybe you guys are talking about rear pocket carry. If so, I still don't get it since all my pockets would let the Shield stick out so everyone could see what is in my pocket.

If I had to do that, why not carry IWB?

I am NOT putting down the Shield, just pointing out that it's big compared to other pocket 9s.

Bob

I pocket carry in Docker's, cargo shorts,etc. I find jean pockets too tight for most guns, even the CM9 I used to carry. I usually carry IWB in those instances.

Been there done that. I've shot the Kahr's on numerous occasions and I wasn't impressed. The quality of the gun didn't match the price tag and the trigger left a lot to be desired.

If I paid $650 for a gun that lacked quality, mag capacity, and a good trigger and somebody came out with something similar that was superior for $250 less I'd probably be a little salty too.

I knew as soon as S&W released the shield and reviews started pouring in that it would be an excellent gun. I've had mine a couple weeks now and it is my favorite carry pistol to date. I didn't buy mine to pocket carry although I can. I bought mine for a lightweight slender IWB carry gun and it does that better than any other pistol I've owned.

I'll leave pocket carry to the micro 380's, even then they are often too big IMO. If I absolutely cannot carry a IWB rig with dress cloths, and a 380 in the pocket also won't work I have a NAA 22LR mini revolver that can go in my pocket and be 100% undetected. It's only a 5 shot 22 but I'll take it over nothing.

I bought the combo holster grip and use the .22WMR cylinder for carry, and the .22LR for practice. Nice little revolver for pocket carry.

I'm an Operating Engineer and wear them to work. Very comfortable and rugged as nails. Deep pockets,great for pocket carry.

Just saw a utube review where the presenter had decided to replace his CM9 with a Shield. He said he likes the CM9, but he likes the Shield more after 1000 rounds of test.

NO!.......

Jus got back from the gun shop. Compared the Shield with a CM9. I bought the CM9. It IS smaller. A half inch there and a quarter inch there makes a big difference when you pocket carry.

I pocket carry almost exclusively during warm weather.

Still might get one though. But I'm not in a hurry at this point. Still have a M&P 9C that's just fine.

Should add that the Kahr was $379.00 + tax.

Same here. I don't visit many other gun e-forums. I have seen both guns side-by-side and have owned the PM9 for quite a while. Both guns are not jeans-front-pockets models, for me, but I do carry the PM9 in a jacket pocket in the wintertime. I could probably do the same if I had a Shield.

I liked the Shield, but since I already have the smaller gun, I couldn't think of any reason to buy one... though sooner or later, something may come to me.

With more and more states passing concealed carry laws, the market for personal defense handguns is growing. It's a big pool, and everyone should be welcome to swim in it.

For the record, in addition to the various S&Ws in my collection, I own one of the original Kahr K9s, with the then-optional Black-T finish. It's 100% reliable, but heavy for its size, and yes, Kahr products are expensive. I don't care. Somebody liking some other pistol doesn't affect me in the slightest.

I have a Kahr CM9 & CW9. Both excellent Pistols. Long before that, I had, and still do a couple of S&W pistols and revolvers, as well as some other brands. I like 'em all and don't have time to bad mouth anyones choices. To each his own!

Kahr got it right making a 9 to the same form factor as a Walther PPK.

I can't believe Smith, Sig, and others missed the boat on this simple point all these years later and they still have no competition.

I love my Kahr PM9 and P380 for carry. They are reliable and I like the smaller size of the PM9.

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The only Kahr I have is the K40. Small enough to fit in the pocket but pretty heavy for that.
The only S&W auto I own is a 22A, no pocket carry here.
I was interested in the Shield till I read up on it, it has a thumb safety which is a deal killer for me in a SD gun. It looks nice though.
I learned years ago on a wheel gun, had lots of training with wheel guns.
I just don't care to learn all over again to include taking off a safety if my life is on the line.

There are too many semi-autos on the market that do not have a safety for me to try and change my ways now.

Any problems with your P380? I want a pocket 380 and have been driving myself nuts trying to make the decision.

I want:

-Reliability
-A slide that locks back on last round
-No manual Safety
-No integrated laser

I've convinced myself that I want the Kahr (having never shot one) but am concerned based on many things I have heard. Seems as though they are quite hit and miss. Riddled with FTE, FTF, FTRTB

I also don't like the fact that Kahr says you are to chamber the first round by using the slide release/lock as opposed to racking the slide

I love the loyal fan boy bashing on these web sites, it's pathetic. Back to the discussion at hand, I think the shield may prove over time to be a great gun, but it's too early to declare "mission accomplished" with this weapon. I had a chance to pick up a .40 cal shield yesterday, but decided $450 for a new unproven gun was not warranted. I decided for $100 more, I could get a proven weapon, the Glock 23 gen 4. I already have true pocket pistols such as the Beretta Nano (great gun with proper ammo) and a wild Ruger LCP. If the shield still looks good next year, then I'll buy one, but full price for a new gun with limited accessories and hard to find magazines is crazy.

The real and final test should be to shoot it/them for comparison. Which one is the most reliable, accurate, best for consecutive shots on target etc.

Have you actually seen the internals of the Shield? It's nothing new, almost identical to the other larger M&Ps which have proven over time. However, there has been some improvements made, such as an audible reset with the Shield. As for the price of the Shield, it is a bargain when you consider that it is the same quality of the M&Ps, but about a $100.00 less .. it's a good deal. I paid $399 for my Shield.

M&P SHIELD SHOOTING REVIEW - YouTube

They can't admit the Shield is just as good if not better at a lower price.

Price isn't a factor. I just paid $376.00 for a CM9.

Which begs the question:

Is the Shield to be considered more equal to the CM9 ($400) or the PM9 ($650)?

Well, I paid $650 + tax for the Pm9 I had with factory night sights, about 2.5 years ago. But, I think the Shield is more comparible to the Pm9, as the sights are dovetailed on the front like the PM9.

Equal in who's mind? Depends on the buyer. Either gun will serve it's purpose depending on what the buyer wants/needs.

Like I said in my previous post, the Kahr is slightly smaller. I have no doubts that the Shield is a good gun. But I decided it wasn't for me.

My M&P 9C serves a dual purpose. Warm weather concealment with a flush fit mag and cool weather concealment with a full size mag and X-Grip adapter.

The Kahr is for pocket carry only.

Arguing the merits of either gun doesn't make sense. At least we have more to choose from.

The next argument will be when the Springfield XDS 45 hits the shelves.

If dovetailed sights are important to you then maybe they are comparible. But in most cases, size is the biggest consideration. Other factors which may be more important to some are the trigger and the manual safety. But again, the determining factor in my purchase of the Kahr was size.

I was answering the question posed by the other guy. Which one of the Kahrs would be comparable to the Shield - either the PM9 or the cheaper version. THAT was my analysis of HIS question.

Now, I've stated many times (maybe even further up on this thread) - I HAD a PM9. I got the Shield, and decided that I liked the Shield more. The Kahr is a little smaller. But honestly, not by much. For pocket carry in the clothes I wear, or IWB carry - the size between the two guns is nil for me. But, the trigger is better on the Shield, IMHO. I also can double tap with it better, and I like the gun overall more. Plus, the Shield has a noticable less amount of recoil.

I sold my PM9 a week ago, as I knew I'd never use it again. And, I have plans to buy a 2nd Shield, as soon as I locate another.

Are the PM9 and CM9 the same size? If so, are the features and quality you get with the Shield closer to those of the PM9 or the CM9?

The PM and CM Kahrs are indeed the same size. The basic differences are the PM has a polygonal rifled barrel, dovetailed front sight, machined slide stop lever, roll marking on the slide and comes standard with a second magazine. The CM has a conventional rifled barrel, pinned front sight, MIM slide stop lever, simple engraving on the slide and comes standard with one magazine. The features of the Shield probably falls in between both of the Kahrs. Quality is subjective. I've owned and confidently carried a PM9 for more than ten years. That statement speaks for itself on my impression of it. I've only had the Shield for about a month, but preliminarily believe it's going to give the PM9 a run for its money.

I've had a P380 for about a year and a half. I have had absolutely zero problems with it. I have put a bunch of my reloads and lots of range ammo through it as well as several types of defensive ammo.
It replaced a Ruger LCP that I bought when they first came out. They are true pocket guns, but the Kahr is head and shoulders above the LCP. Much easier to shoot recoil wise and servicable sights.I can shoot the P380 better than any snubbie I've ever tried.
No matter what is on my belt the P380 is in my pocket.

Being both a S&W and Kahr owner (among more than a half dozen other brands of quality firearms), what they are talking about is no different than what is being written in this thread, just the other brand of handgun.

It is silly to see such threads being started by both sides about the other.

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No, it isn't. Not when someone is trying to say that the Shield is x number of ounces heavier than a Kahr PM9... And, those handful of ounces (the difference) could get someone killed if they are running - holding a four year old child... And, that if you did this with the Kahr, you might be fine... But the tiny, tiny bit heavier Shield, in your pocket as it bounces, could make all the difference in the world in surviving...

While I am on an iPad right now, so it's harder to copy and paste... This is my memory of a post there by an ardent anti shield guy who just kept going and going about why the Kahr is better.

This was foremost on my mind when I started this thread. I stated that this was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on a gun forum as to why one gun is better than another gun. My post on the Kahr Talk website was deleted.

Ok, here is the thread - I am on a PC now. This was from one guy who just wouldn't let it go:

Now, I am/was a Kahr owner until last week. I like the Shield better. Admittedly, I REALLY prefer a DA/SA gun with an external hammer. So, is the Shield my perfect gun? No, it is not. But, I do like it better than my 2.5 year old Kahr PM9.

But, to use the above reason as a reason to buy the Kahr over the Shield is just ridiculous to me... And, while I didn't curse or name call, I said so. And, that post was deleted. Continuing to read a few more posts afterwards just let me to staring this thread, after seeing some such pro-Kahr guys being blinded by anything else without a "K" on the slide....

That is a bit of a caution, isn't it? But there is nothing wrong with mindless jabbering about which guns we like best. It would be a terribly dull world without polite disagreement. To be honest, I am a little surprised we are not still discussing the .357 vs. .45 Auto thing - more than what we are.

I don't have a problem about what gun we like best - but to blindfully dismiss a gun, based on zero experience or anything factual... That's ridiculous...

I have my favorite too. But, I typically don't go complaining about other stuff... Well, except for Taurus products

I blindly dismiss lots of guns. I can't afford not to.

I never understood all this brand loyalty, brand bashing. if someone likes the gun, that's fine. it's their gun. no need to bash them about it.

i started with a Beretta 92F. i still have it. i've since gotten SIGs, HKs, Glocks (only S&W I had experience with was the 4046 as my first duty weapon which no one liked). i am currently issued a Glock 31 at work and carry a Glock 33 and Kahr CM9 as backups/offduties.

the 33 and CM9 were both less than $400 before tax. i pocket carry the CM9 and hip carry the 33. i have a Shield on order with our local S&W L.E. dealer and a gen4 Glock 32 on order with the local Glock L.E. dealer.

My plan is to replace my 33 with the 32 for hip carry and I will try the CM9 and Shield out side by side and decide which to keep for pocket carry. the other gun becomes just another home gun. (we're only allowed to have two other weapons as off-duty/backup that are authorized by the department and must be 9mm/.40/.45/.357)

So, if the Shield works ok for pocket carry, then it will replace my CM9. If it doesn't, then it'll become another gun around the house.

i still like and shoot my HKs and SIGs even though I don't carry them anymore.

and I see people bashing Taurus all the time. I went through my academy with a Taurus PT-99 in 1997. it still shoots great after 15 years and I never had a problem with it.

the only gun I ever had a problem with was a SIG P239 in .357sig. I kept having feeding problems. I converted it over to .40cal and it worked fine. Weird since it came from the factory as a .357, but what works works.

The CM9 fits the front pocket in every pair of pants I own

But........ The 1/2 inch height increase IMHO is a huge difference

Many pistols could fit in the front pocket...... But not many come out easily

I wonder how tall some of the people are that front pocket carry the shield.

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Can you (anyone) help me out and explain what this means? What do they have to do to the Shield to make it "Massachusetts compliant"? If someone that lives in Mass buys a shield that isn't "Mass compliant" can they bring it home with them?

I own a Kahr P9, and I like it a lot. It was expensive to be sure as I got the night sights. My buddy just got the shield and here is my personal take on it. The Kahr does nothing more than the M&P shield. The shield is equal in every way at a lot less money. That in and of it self leads me to believe that the M&P shield is the SUPERIOR weapon. It does the same job with some sex appeal, for a dramatically lower price. I still love my Kahr but I would buy the shield in a second over the Kahr if I was choosing that type of a gun right now based on my logic above! That's just my opinion and others may well disagree. It hard to not like the shield despite the lack of admission from folks loyal to other brands.