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Old 05-07-2012, 05:55 PM
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:04 PM
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If they did manage to make a 1.5 magazine to fit a 45 it would hold at best 6 rounds. Interesting question though and they might even be working on it.

I am not saying it would not be possible but that it might not be probable but who knows?
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I'm certain that they are working on it...Give it a year and a half.
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" If and when Smith & Wesson makes a 'Shield 45' I will buy it."

I will run it side by side with my PM45 and keep the winner.

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Old 05-07-2012, 10:57 PM
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There is the XDs so... could be.
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My CS45, which is quite a bit heavier, would be darned unpleasant without grips that resemble the puffy rubber ball on a pogo stick....

I expect that a .45 Shield wouldn't be any better.

OTOH, the CS45 is tolerable. It's based on the Model 39 "basic" design with the backwards safety, and some models have a decocker instead of the safety function at all, and thinner grips are available, too. Think "PPK/S that's an inch thick"....

Other than commonality with the M39-ish semi's, I don't know why I bought it .... (There's a CS9 that's got to be a decent carry piece for it's day - about 10 years ago, and there was a CS40, but apparently it dropped off the radar a long time ago.)

(AFAIK, the CS9 and CS45 may still be available new. They were when I bought that CS45, but it was used. Full of mummified grease and dust bunnies big enough to raise, but it cleaned up fairly well, and was an "airline travel" gun for me for a while. That's one you wouldn't mind an insurance check for, especially at the end of a trip....)

Dunno if I'd want the .45 Shield, but I may swap that CS45 for a .40 version eventually.

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The next caliber out for the shield will be a cut down 500 S&W it will hold 4 rounds with 1 in the chamber making it a 5 shot.I got this from a source inside S&W and saw a video of the proto type on you tube!!!
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I think it is only going to be the 9mm and the .40 s&w coming out of the shield.
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I think there would be more cons than pros with a 45 Shield.
The size and handling chacteristics with the 9mm and the.40, seem to work out pretty well,but I see a 45 version as too much of a good thing,and there is no way to keep the overall size as compact as the 9 and 40.
I don't know why anyone would even want one for what you'd give up,but that's just me.

ETA:What I'd really like to see is a nice .22 LR Shield for same size gun training on the cheap,and it would be a nice pest gun too.
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To me the 40 cal. seems close to the 45 as far as recoil goes. I think it it doable.
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It's doable,and I'm sure there are plans for one in the future. My problem with it would be the reduction in capacity with the larger round while still being in keeping with a compact slim auto.It would have to be wider.
I don't put as much premium on capacity in a pistol as most people,but I sure wouldn't want to go less than what the .40 Shield carries for a somewhat larger round,that may not even perform as well from the already short barrel.
If a .45 version was much larger than what the current Shields are then it would be something else all together.
Then again,today's engineering is marvelous,but you can only cram so many good gifts into a small box.
I'm a 9mm user,and for me the current Shields are perfect for their intended market use.
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No. Would require an entirely new gun. Not going to happen from a design & cost point.
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I asked someone I know at the company about the possibility of a Shield 45. The guy said he had no inside knowledge of such a potential caliber version for that model line, but I probably shouldn't hold my breath.
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The next caliber out for the shield will be a cut down 500 S&W it will hold 4 rounds with 1 in the chamber making it a 5 shot.I got this from a source inside S&W and saw a video of the proto type on you tube!!!
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Didn't work, unable to rack the slide. The 44Mag version will come with a mini jack to put the first round into battery; and it will come with with a coupon book for your local emergency room.
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Depends how well the XDs does. If those get the the stellar reviews the Shield 9mm is getting, I'm sure S&W will figure out a way to throw their hat in the ring!
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Depends how well the XDs does. If those get the the stellar reviews the Shield 9mm is getting, I'm sure S&W will figure out a way to throw their hat in the ring!
Agreed, the question is, how long will it take?
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The next caliber out for the shield will be a cut down 500 S&W it will hold 4 rounds with 1 in the chamber making it a 5 shot.I got this from a source inside S&W and saw a video of the proto type on you tube!!!
No, you misread that. It will be a single shot, because after you fire it, you'll never be able to hold another handgun as long as you live! Can you imagine??
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I don't know about a .45 acp, but it would seem to me that one in .357 sig would be next.
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I would think this is in the works. Gotta hit the 3 major calibers
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I don't know about a .45 acp, but it would seem to me that one in .357 sig would be next.
The Sig would be the next easiest step as it's a bottle-necked .40, it surely would be snappy then. Just don't know if the demand would warrant.
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I have a Shield on order but not in hand so I'll ask those who do own one a question. Is the semi-double stack 9mm magazine as thick as a 45acp magazine like from a 1911? It looks like it could be from pictures I've seen, but I can't be sure. If so, a 45acp version may be possible without the need to change too much in the frame area, meaning all 3 calibers would use the exact same thin frame.

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Just off the top of my head, the 9mm, .40, and .357 Sig are nominally the same size cartridge & gun if you start with something that'll fit the slightly larger .40 case....

A single-stack .45 magazine has to be at least wide enough to hold the rounds , and the grip and a few other parts may have to be larger, too. Sounds like a whole other gun to me, even though there would be a lot of common parts. I think the 9mm being a semi-double-stack (I hadn't heard of that) is just because the slightly wider .40-ish frame allows it, and that should add one or two rounds. The .45 magazine has to be the same thickness, more or less, as a 1911.

Just me, but making a .45 in this design might be a bridge too far - IMHO, the .40 as an SD round is quite good enough without the extra size issues. But who knows.... I originally thought the .40 was a little silly until I started research (and playing with them). Just seems to be reasonable now.

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The next caliber out for the shield will be a cut down 500 S&W it will hold 4 rounds with 1 in the chamber making it a 5 shot.I got this from a source inside S&W and saw a video of the proto type on you tube!!!
Finally a good carry gun I will be able to double tap with accuracy. Yea!
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To me the 40 cal. seems close to the 45 as far as recoil goes. I think it it doable.
I personally have found .40 recoil to be snappier than .45.
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I personally have found .40 recoil to be snappier than .45.
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I'd love a .45 Shield. It would be, and should be, slightly larger than the 9mm/.40 version but still probably among the most compact of compact .45's, yet controllable - possibly even fun - to shoot.

The only thing close to a complaint I've heard about the Shield is that it's not as small as a PM9 or PF9. I don't mind it because, like my favorite gun, the 3913, it's both small enough for comfortable carry and large enough for comfortable shooting. Pocket gun? No. But I wasn't looking for it to be one.
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Ok, I'm coming a little late to this discussion, but I'd like to add my two pesos:

I think it's inevitable that a single stack .45 in the M&P line will come out sometime in the next year or two. I don't see it being quite as small as the 9 or 40 obviously, but perhaps something with a grip about the length of the M&P45c but and with a shorter barrel. You could easily get 6 rounds in a gun that size.

I tried the XDs this past Saturday and let me tell you, I LOVED it. It's going to be extremely popular and S&W would be foolish to not try and cash on that market.
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I like that my Shield 9mm in my pocket holds 8 rounds. If S&W makes a single stack 45 acp in a conceal platform small enough for the average size pocket it will be a 5+1 which in my opinion is a trade off not worth the larger caliber.

In my opinion, if a person is going to sacrifice 2 rounds in order to pocket conceal a 45 acp they may as well pack a more reliable revolver.

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Ok, I'm coming a little late to this discussion, but I'd like to add my two pesos:

I think it's inevitable that a single stack .45 in the M&P line will come out sometime in the next year or two. I don't see it being quite as small as the 9 or 40 obviously, but perhaps something with a grip about the length of the M&P45c but and with a shorter barrel. You could easily get 6 rounds in a gun that size.

I tried the XDs this past Saturday and let me tell you, I LOVED it. It's going to be extremely popular and S&W would be foolish to not try and cash on that market.
I agree, looking at the specs of the 45c, which is only 1.2in wide, I feel like you're going to have trouble shaving much more off while keeping the round count where people will want. And if you keep it similiar to the 45c but make it with a shorter barrel, is it really a Shield?

With as demanded as the 9 and 40 still are, why would they spend the money on developing another gun until they can catch up with the ones they have.
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Never happen. It will take an entirely NEW pistol. You cannot get the 45 into the length of a Shield frame, it's too long. They will have to build a special gun to hold the 45 or 10mm.

Besides, you don't need the 45, just the right 9 or 40 ammo.
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Having had the XDs in 45 I much prefer the Shield in 9mm. This gun in 9mm is the best of both worlds. A good 9mm round is a breez to shoot and the modern 9mm bullet is proven to get the job done.

Both guns are about the same size, weight and close in round count. But holding on and shooting the 9mm is simpler. For this size pistol the 9 is much better shooter. I don't thing S&W will go down this road but I could be wrong.
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A .45? Sounds like an extreme case of of "mine is bigger than yours". Now a .22LR version sounds neat, besides if a .22 is good enough for a Mafia hit man, it should work for the rest of you sharp shooters.
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I have two Colts (Govt. & Defender) and a M&P Shield in 40. Let me say anyone of these three weapons will give you one hell of a bad hair day! I doubt very seriously if S&W will even attempt to manufacture a shield in 45 acp. The present dimension are just not compatible and a monstrous re-tooling would have to be done. Just not cost effective IMHO.
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I asked someone I know at the company about the possibility of a Shield 45. The guy said he had no inside knowledge of such a potential caliber version for that model line, but I probably shouldn't hold my breath.
S&W can't keep up with the demand for the 9mm and .40. Why would they need to create another one nobody can buy?
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I have both a Shield 9mm and an XDs in 45acp and thet are very close size wise. If Springfield can do such a small 45 so can S&W so I think it is inevitable. I'm a big M&P fan but have to say that I really like the XDs. I also agree that a Shield in 22LR would be very neat.
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Depends how well the XDs does. If those get the the stellar reviews the Shield 9mm is getting, I'm sure S&W will figure out a way to throw their hat in the ring!
Since you mentioned the XDS...My LGS told me that a 9mm XDS will come out at the Shot Show to give the 9mm Shield a run for the 9mm market...This may be old news....
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As much as I am SIG fan, I carry a Kahr pm40 or 45 the most due to their size and ease of concealment. Both of those little guns are extremely popular and S&W WILL enter the single stack 45 sub compact (shield) market just as springfield has recently. Its really a no brainer. I REALLY hope the can the goofy safety though. I realize its a requirement for the communist states but here's to hoping that they start the 45 shield without it!

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The concept of a .45 acp Shield is not improbable. After all, during the time of the 3rd Gen. semi-autos, there were single stack full size .45's, compact .45's and the sub-compact (for that time) CS45. In addition, the CS 45 with Big Dog grips is approximately the same size as a G36. Like anything, they have to figure if the R&D, tooling, etc., will worthwhile with the amount of sales.
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I am not a .40 fan. I got the 9mm. If I was going for another .45 I would just get a XD-S. I prefer the push the .45 had in my sig 1911 3" over the snap of the .40 round. I only own 9mm's and .45's I have shot .40's in sig, glock, Springfield , and S&W and never found one I liked as much as a .45.
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I have both and they are very similar in size like someone said above. I like them both. That said if S&W comes out with a .45 Shield I will buy it. I carry my Shield daily it's a 9mm. I haven't had the XDS that long and have to get a holster made to accommodate the laser. Have carried it without the laser and it's sweet.
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XDS is gone. Could not shoot it to my satisfaction. I own a Glock 30S and can shoot golf ball size groups with it at 10 yards same with my XD mod2 .45. Something about the XDS and my hand didn't get along. I would always get a flyer with every group. I own like 20 handguns and that was the only one I had that problem with. That said I have changed my mind I would not buy a .45 shield if one ever came out.
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I would not buy one if they made it. It would be just too small. Nothing wrong with the .45c. Now, if they made a slimmer .45c, I'd buy that right off.
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Never happen. It will take an entirely NEW pistol. You cannot get the 45 into the length of a Shield frame, it's too long. They will have to build a special gun to hold the 45 or 10mm.
Explain how the XDs and Shield are almost the same frame size then. I have had both and got rid of my XDs due to having to send in for the recall and then send it back a week after getting it back for a broken trigger.
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Besides, you don't need the 45, just the right 9 or 40 ammo.
Need is irrelevant just like some anti-gunner saying that you don't need an AR for hunting.
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If they make one in 45 ACP I would think about getting one. Granted I would wait for S&W to work out the bugs first.
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Man, I don't know. Seems the recoil would be a handful.
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