First post, I joined due to my pending Shield purchase. I put a deposit down on one since LGS is out, but i am interested in how S&W will handle this. So I hope this thread stays open. I am not detered from my purchase, but wondering what the outcome would be....

Hopefully Smith & Wesson doesn't waste too much time on this NON-issue.

GEE, Sorry guys

Here is from another thread elsewhere


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"Doc it hurts when I do this."

"Well, stop doing that!"

There is nothing to handle. Just shoot it. I contacted my gunsmith and sent him a link to this thread, and he said, well you really don't want to know. Anyways he did end with "It's a NEW GUN .. SHOOT IT !! There's a bunch a ... on those forums " In short, there are a bunch of jerks using this as an excuse to **** on the Shield. What they need to do is stop acting like a bunch of fear mongering morons scaring off Shield owners and future buyers. Where did this pop up ? KahrTalk? That should be a clue !

Not a new model.. yeah right!

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I totally agree. To manually ride the slide and force it to stop - and then call it a "problem" - damn. Many, many other guns have this "problem." This is just ridiculous. Even happy Shield owners are trying to find something wrong with the gun that doesn't matter.

Have you even looked at the internals of a Shield, or are you just *opining* ?? I HAVE a M&P9c to compare with and I can say that what counts is nothing new .. just the size.

Interesting. I don't own a Shield but I just checked my two 9 M&P's; FS returns to battery no matter what, Pro will not.

I'm not worried, both shoot great.

fercho64,

You say "the extractor will still hold a 230 grain against the breech face ..............................."

We're discussing the M&P SHIELD 9MM AS VERY FEW 40 S&W ARE OUT IN THE SHIELD AT THIS TIME. NO 45 CAL SHIELDS EXIST.

If you're using a 230 grain cartridge, you are not using the firearm being discussed and need to GET WITH THE PROGRAM.BEFORE DISPLAYING YOUR EXPERTISE!

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Makes you wonder what their real experience with handguns really is. I will admit that I AM NEW, just bought my first handgun three years ago, but I quickly saw this for what it really is when I checked my 9c which has never failed to fire. Then I sent a link of this thread to the guy who does all the work on my M&Ps. People need to get a grip and stop listening to pot stirrers from KahrTalk and elsewhere.

Are you kidding me ?? The Shield is a NEW GUN !! For cripes sake .. it will take time and rounds to break that spring in !!!

For the record, my Shield does have this issue when there are rounds in the magazine but my full size M&P 40 does not.
I called S&W just to see what they say and was told the gun needs to be broken in and asked that I call back if the issue remains after putting a few hundred rounds through the pistol.

Not trying to argue with anyone on whether this is/is not an issue. Just reporting what I was told by S&W.

Because you have a FULL SIZE. The spring isn't as tight compared to a compact and the Shield. GEESH

Well... thank you all for the comments... I went ahead and bought mine

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Take it out and shoot the heck out of it. Enjoy!

ps . get a decent holster. The IWB Galco natural leather isn't expensive and won't cause it to go out of battery .. I know I also just received my RCS Raven Concealment Systems Phantom for the Shield. I bought the Galco because I thought I would have a looonng wait for the Raven .. lol

And lube it where it says on the barrel and other key points.

HELLO, THIS DISCUSSION CONCERNS THE "SHIELD" ONLY, PLEASE!!!!!!

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kris7047 and moonman, is obvious that you are just picking apart a reference to a thread that I found elsewhereand forgot to read the second line where I stated that it was someone else's thread. I corrected this by putting it in red text. Next time please read the entire thread.

First of all I do not have any complaints with my SHIELD. There are videos out there from other M&P models where people are complainig about the exact same issue. I understand its not the same gun but the mechanics and internal design other than the safety are the same, It does not take a brain surgeon to figure this one out. If there is a problem most likely the solution for one will work for the other one as this would have nothing to do with the caliber but the design itself.

I have put about 400-500 rounds thru mine and are buying two more shields for my boys. I am trying to work on my own guns and do all of my mods myself.

By the way this issue has been brought up with other models. I will be an idiot to try to reinvent the wheel to make a car roll . Thats why we reference to older post.

My SHIELD does the same thing, I can live with it but if I can find a solution for it I will implement it.

I don't see it as needing to figure anything out. Did you miss the part where I said "Am I worried about it? NO."? For now, I don't consider it an issue.

I saw that, but why not reference only what was pertinent to this thread? Because someone is going to jump all over that and start a *rumor* "I heard ...* on another board with false information. One guy already started a thread tossing out what he heard from a guy who heard ... about the Shield frame cracking when it was an OLD ISSUE with an M&P. Another member stopped it asap recognizing it for what it was.

As for implementing a fix S&W tech already said to SHOOT IT and break it in. I wouldn't think of touching the spring when it is new. My 9c spring is still stiff after over 2,000 rnds. The springs in compacts and smaller are just a lot stiffer than the FS. My 9c does the same thing .. but only if I MAKE it. It has never happened on it''s own .. ever! Same with my Shield. I really have to wonder about the *agenda* behind the video provided in the OP. The guy was a moron with his hand in front of a LOADED gun and a finger curled over the trigger guard !! Doh ..

Thank you! A friend gave me an IWB Galco B129L TUC286, I think it was for a Glock 26.. brand new and still in the box... I need to break it in...

Also got a few snaps caps to practice... not my first gun, but first one that I will use regularly for CC.

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I dont belive in just taking a post apart, wanted to post the entire thread. I tried to link but I guess I was in violation so I copy and pasted.

I am not going to pre judge anyone's video agenda, Regardless of who it is or who he works for,its a legimate complaint. This issue has been brought up with another M&P and people seem to work around it and or find a solution. Its nothing new.

After 400-500 rounds I belive my gun has been properly broken in without a single failure.

I firmly belive the solution may reside on the spring, with that being said, Prior M&P models were fitted with a stiffer spring due to FTE, so you have to be careful on what you do to the gun as it is the same design. Most likely I will order a spring and cut 1/4 coil first and put a few hundred rounds thru it and see what happens.

I carry my SHIELD on the rear pocket of my passenger seat on my SUV for fast access with no holster.

People will always try to diminish somelese's accomplishments, unfortunately that is the way business is done. IT SUCKS IMO .

Its your money and your gun, you have choices on what to buy. I bough a SHIELD because I wanted to try it and like it so far and am buying two more.

A gun should be 100% reliable and troubles free from day one, so keep shooting it to solve a problem if there is one is not a solution, it just tells me that its a bad design or not properly fitted. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A CASE HERE.

Its true that mechanical things get smoother with usage but should not be more reliable,it should be easier to operate. Reliability is what we pay for from the begining.

What part of "Not trying to argue with anyone on whether this is/is not an issue. Just reporting what I was told by S&W." do you not comprehend?
I never said I had a problem with it. I just called S&W to get their take since there are so many people concerned. I, for one, am not.
I don't think this is an issue but I'm certainly not going to berate someone who does. To each their own.

I don't know if he has any agenda or not, but is English a second language for the people calling him a moron? I looked at his post yesterday, and he stated that it was loaded with a "dummy" round he had made (no primer or powder). What was unsafe or "moronic" about that?

He added that statement AFTER being called out on this and other forums. From the initial post, it appeared that it was a live round.

Yup! Look again people .. it is NOT a dummy round. I saved the you tube. The round in the chamber is shinny brassish, not red or plastic yellow.

At least that's two of us that saw it.

He indeed was using dummy rounds....made by ME. There was NEVER a live round in the gun in the demonstration. There was nothing unsafe in the demo.
There is also NO agenda in his voicing or demonstrating his concern, he owns many M&P's and holds them in the highest regard.

End of story.

Randy

Then you both should know this is a non issue with a new gun. Just way over exaggerated as being an issue. What was the point of using a dummy round ? What forum was the video originally posted on?

Just after getting my Shield I went to the range fired 2 boxes of FMJ ammo with no problems then a few rounds later, my attorney, of all people, was firing the Shield with an assortment of ammo when the casing of a GECO round blew out the bottom over the feed ramp. The gun spit fire and powder residue out the sides and into his face. The magazine blew out and his hand was badly stung and was painful for a while. Like a broken baseball bat or something like that. The only thing I can figure is fail to lock into battery. He is not experienced with semi autos and maybe missed something when firing. The blown out round was the last one in the magazine. The gun is back at the factory and did not seem to be damaged but would not lock the slide back on either mazazine. The bigger magazine was in the gun at the time and does not appear damaged and is at the factory also. I fear the frame might be sprung out of alignment. Anyway I would be extra careful shooting your Shield until you are sure there are no similar issues. I love the gun by the way. The successful ammo I fired was a box of Winchester white box and a box of aluminum Blazer.

So nobody would call him a moron about to shoot a hole in his hand

Ah .. but he admitted to not stating it was a dummy round. Why put anything in the chamber at all to demonstrate his point? After all, it had nothing to do with the chamber.

Box of assorted ammo .. sounds like he might have fired a bad round. There are maaannnyy reports from the range and incredibly very few FTF's and FTE's, let alone a round blowing out a mag. I remember when the Ruger LCP came out and some buyers were putting really hot loads +p and causing damage. Ruger had several LCPs returned from damage due to too hot of loads and started a list of ammo brands not to use.

Kris7047
Dummy rounds were used for SAFETY reasons! What part of this is hard to understand? I'm the one that told him to use them.

The gun does not mis-behave when empty, only with rounds in the magazine. Therefore the use of DUMMY ROUNDS was the only logical solution for his demonstration

Randy

Got it. Still didn't say what forum this was first posted on.

concealedcarryforum.com

Randy,

Most of us appreciate the time you and your friend took to make the video and keep us updated on your findings. I look forward to your update once S&W returns the firearm.
I'm not worried about the issue but I'm interested in what S&W has to say about this.

Here is my 2 yr old M&P9c same thing .. if I make it happen. This has never happened from a holster, or ever by accident. Easy way to prevent it from happening by thumb on the slide when drawing.

I normally keep my thumb on the back of the slide when I holster my weapon which is the reason I'm not concerned with this at all. I've never had an out of battery issue when drawing this weapon.

I am interested, however, in finding out if S&W sees this as an issue. I look forward to their feedback.

I notice you referenced "(it's a 40)" where did you get your 40? A S&W Rep told me the 40s would not ship until mid to late May. She may have be refering to the region where I reside.

They are out.

Me too. I believe one guy spoke with a S&W rep and he was told to shoot it 200 + rounds for the break in. Should it continue to call them back. My 9c has been extremely reliable for the past two years, and I never even knew that it could do this until I made it happen. Both have tight springs.

kris7047th,

I make my own DUMMY ROUNDS all the time.

I use Brass, NO PRIMER (replaced with Blue ATV Silicone) and when set up, trimmed with a razor blade,

NO POWDER, Bullet, and also a small hole drilled in the side of the brass to show as a dummy also.

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Folks, we a living in a "throw away world" of cheap products. Guns are, in most cases" no different. I had not bought any guns in many years, but went out looking at new ones (the plastic frame ones). I call them plastic, but just because I dont know all the different technical names for the material used in making the frames. I, personally, think they all seem cheap. I look at the old ones from years ago and see the quality and reliability. I do not think most of what we are buying will be working in 75-100 years from now, but the old ones will still function perfectly if cared for. Maybe I am wrong, but I see so many problems with new guns. I rarely saw that in the 60-70's except with the so called Saturday night specials. Of course, there was no internet then, but word did still get around. Back in those days, I did buy a S&W Escort 22. It was a piece of junk then and I got rid of it. Dont remember the details, but I did not trust it. It was built well, but it had problems, dont remember what. I did buy Colt 25 Jr back then, it was Colt mede in USA. There was a recall, that I have yet to do to replace the firing pin as it could fire if dropped when chamber loaded. Still, it is a well made gun, unlike what I see today. I may just choose an old J frame S&W to carry if I can find what I want, preferably a air weight one and NOT a new one. I looked at them and they just dont seem to be made as well as the old ones. However, after saying this, a newly made one will do for a carry gun since they are not usually shot that much, except for some of you that do. To each his own.

My 9mm dummy rounds look a lot like that.

Yes, Thank You.

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I saw that also.

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Those of you trying to inject common sense into the conversation may as well hang it up.

The Internets have a new toy to tear apart and no amount of logic will sway them.

We can only hope S&W will survive the onslaught.

Out ...

Shipwreck, I suspect that if you, or anyone else on this forum for that matter, who are flaming people for their concern over this issue, owned an m&p with an external safety that could be manipulated and engaged accidentally without your knowledge, preventing you from firing the gun when you needed it to fire, it would indeed be a problem for you. I'm not looking to hear "oh I'd never own a pistol with an external safety" or anything along those lines.. I'm just trying to point out that if you can bump a firearm the wrong way and have it not fire when you need it to, it is absolutely an issue, plain and simple. I'm having a real hard time understanding if it's just the s&w kool aid that you guys are drinking or what.. but I don't care what brand of gun it is, if can be knocked out of battery like this, it's something that should be addressed.

Like I stated earlier, I have a mp9c that exhibits this behavior. Have I ever had it happen while unholstering or reholstering? No. Is it possible that it could happen when in the heat of the moment? Yes, it is without a doubt a possibility. If I'm trusting this tool with the life of myself and my loved ones, it would be in my best interest to ensure that it is going to go bang when I need it to go bang