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Old 05-10-2012, 05:42 PM
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My Shield does this also but so does my Glock 27 and most of my other striker fired firearms. Careful holstering makes this a non-issue. I have drawn and holstered from a DeSantis Speed Scabbard made for a M&P9c with no problems whatsoever.
That's BS on the Glock 27 doing it, sure it might push back if you don't put you thumb on it as you reholster, but it goes back into battery on it's own. I've been carrying the 26 and 27 in pocket holsters and many other type holsters for many years. This never happened, not even with a new gun.
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That's BS on the Glock 27 doing it, sure it might push back if you don't put you thumb on it as you reholster, but it goes back into battery on it's own. I've been carrying the 26 and 27 in pocket holsters and many other type holsters for many years. This never happened, not even with a new gun.
Just because yours has never done it has nothing to do with someone elses G27 doing it.
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Just because yours has never done it has nothing to do with someone elses G27 doing it.
But Glocks are *perfection*.....


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Old 05-10-2012, 06:27 PM
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People leave the chamber empty, then they delude themselves that if something happens, they WILL have time to not only draw the gun, FULLY work the slide to chamber a round (and not short stroke it in a situation full of stress and adrenaline) and THEN get the gun on target to shoot...
I learned something here. I have never heard that term before!
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:31 PM
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For those worrying, I will buy your poor defective shield pistols for half the price {because they're defective you know}. This way you can recoup some of your loss and I can have an extra Shield or two!
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:37 PM
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I learned something here. I have never heard that term before!
Only Israeli ninjas can accomplish such a feat.

The Israeli Instinctive Combat Shooting Method: AGI 301 - YouTube

It's actually taught as a technique because of the large distribution of different sidearms. Instead of teaching different manuals of arms to people, they just teach a method that can be used on any semi-auto platform. In reality, Israeli carry in America is touted by those afraid of or not trained to have one in the chamber.

Train, practice and learn your defensive sidearm like second nature all while keeping safety in mind and your finger off the trigger and there is no reason to carry in condition 3.

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Old 05-10-2012, 06:59 PM
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But Glocks are *perfection*.....


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What is the "Israeli draw"? I'm assuming it's dumb.
Carry chamber empty, and rack the slide when drawing the pistol.
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It should be called "Idiotic Draw", or "Get yerseff killed draw", or even "I wish like hell I had thought this through before I did it draw".
Fret not-
Israel is a long way off. That's probably not legal here.

Interesting thread.
I'm looking forward to everyone saying what they've already said four more times.
Maybe it will get more interesting with repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition....................
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:49 PM
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Interesting thread.
I'm looking forward to everyone saying what they've already said four more times.
Maybe it will get more interesting with repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition....................
LMAO!!!!

Now that's the best post I've read...
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Fret not-

Interesting thread.
I'm looking forward to everyone saying what they've already said four more times.
Maybe it will get more interesting with repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition....................
U da man!
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LMAO!!!!

Now that's the best post I've read...
I'll 2nd that
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:51 AM
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I wonder what and if S&W will do/say about this
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:38 AM
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Just picked up my shield .40 toady! only had enough time to put 100 rounds through it unfortunately.. And it will do the whole of out of battery thing.. But even with the holster that i have for it which is very tight (the holster needs some breaking in) it does not cause the weapon to come out of battery i really dont think this whole "issue" is anything to worry about unless S&W actually says something.. Im very happy with this little weapon cant wait to get it in 9mm.
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Just because yours has never done it has nothing to do with someone elses G27 doing it.
I think the Shield is a nice design and maybe will consider buying one in year or so when they work the bugs out, but you guys have got to watch it. You're starting to sound like the "drink the coolaid" bunch over on GlockTalk. There's always a reason why something is wrong, limp wristing, the ammo, etc.. Sometimes it's just the gun. It's a new gun so give it some time. The problem is, your EDC is a life or death decision. I wouldn't carry anything that wasn't totally 100%. Brand loyalty shouldn't trump logic.
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I think the Shield is a nice design and maybe will consider buying one in year or so when they work the bugs out, but you guys have got to watch it. You're starting to sound like the "drink the coolaid" bunch over on GlockTalk. There's always a reason why something is wrong, limp wristing, the ammo, etc.. Sometimes it's just the gun. It's a new gun so give it some time. The problem is, your EDC is a life or death decision. I wouldn't carry anything that wasn't totally 100%. Brand loyalty shouldn't trump logic.
+1

I sit here amazed that people put their lives on the line with a gun that is so easily turned into a brick. One little bump and it won't fire. Then they say, "check the slide every time you draw" or "always push the slide forward in your holster" and "nothing could ever bump the slide back, even in a life or death struggle for the gun".

Would you rather have the slide return to battery or not?

Is it designed to hangup?

It's a flaw, plain and simple, no matter how many do it.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:27 AM
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I love my Shield and am very happy with it. That being said I was comparing my 9c with the Shield last night and noticed something interesting. It may be nothing but it seemed to be worth bringing up.

I was looking at both slides side by side and noticed that on my 9c the recoil spring seats very well into a small grove cut into the underside of the barrel. On my Shield the spring seats on what I can only describe as an angle which allows it to slip ever so slightly. It does not have any type of groove to seat firmly in. Im not a gunsmith but I can certainly look at both slides and can see how in this one area they differ greatly. I just wonder if this slight slipping has anything to do with the battery question. As the slide is pulled back ever so slightly like when someone "manually caused it to come out of battery" the recoil spring may be slipping down just enough to hang up the barrel.

Again, just an observations and as stated above I love the gun and plan to carry it daily.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:28 AM
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It's a flaw, plain and simple, no matter how many do it.
Day after day after day...we get the point! So buy yourself a frigging revolver and leave the rest of us alone! Geez...is anyone else as sick of this **** as I am??? I carry my Shield everyday and if it fails me when I need it most then my wife will sue S&W and use you for a witness! This thread has turned into a worthless BS session. You should be complaining about the recent sunspots and the Solar winds hitting Earth...that is more dangerous than your defective Shield!

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I don't own a Shield yet.
Found this from your earlier post...How can you spout off about something that you have no first hand knowledge???

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I'm wondering if any the Shield bashers own (and worship) the plastic S&W AR-22 that has had a litany of problems since introduction? For the record, I purchased a Shield last week and have put 150 rounds through it which include a box of 115, 124 and 147 without so much a hint of any problem and have put it into CCW service with the most of confidence.
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I purchased a 9mm Shield and took it to the range the day I bought it and did not clean it first. Well, it performed without any issues. Cleaned it, took it out again and feel its very reliable, no issues at all.
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If that's the case, I guess you don't carry anything?
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One little bump and it won't fire.
A little bump won't do it. It takes EFFORT. As I've stated above, I have tried to get it to go out of battery while holstered. IT WON'T. I don't hold my thumb over the slide when holstering or drawing, either. Until you have tried it yourself, quit spreading misinformation.
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It's a flaw, plain and simple, no matter how many do it.

The flaw is with the guy who originally put it in a pocket with no holster.
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A little bump won't do it. It takes EFFORT. As I've stated above, I have tried to get it to go out of battery while holstered. IT WON'T. I don't hold my thumb over the slide when holstering or drawing, either. Until you have tried it yourself, quit spreading misinformation.
You know, the above is the whole thing in a nutshell. "The Issue" is not going to happen in any real-world scenario.

Other than making it happen like the dude did in the video, has anyone been able to cause their Shield go into this "condition" while making any move drawing the gun, firing the gun, or holstering the gun?

Uh, no...

I get that once you set the thing up and carefully insert it into your pocket, that you can carefully draw it back out and make it look like that. But under any circumstance can you see this happen other than the staged setup we have witnessed?

Uh, no...

Has anyone been able to make it happen by simply putting it in their pocket?

Uh, no ...

As Fred Sanford would say: "How many times do I have to keep closing this case?"
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Can I ask this thread to be closed since I was the thread starter?
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