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Old 05-08-2012, 01:15 AM
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Found this link from a forum to the other forum about an out of battery issue with the Shield. Can anyone make their Shield do what's in the link? First post has a video of it BTW.

ETA: To keep in-line with forum rules, I have deleted the link but I think enough people know what the issue is by now.

Kind of makes me glad I'm on the waiting list for the second batch.

ETA: Members at the other forum I got the link from have the same thing happen to them so it seems it's not just a few of them. Not sure how much of an issue this is but its something S&W should be made aware of.

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Just perfect. I've yet to load it, so now I'll load it & carry it & see what happens. It figures, just hope it might be random. After I cleaned it I did notice the click of the barrel as the slide went went fully forward, just like the video, but never paid it no mind, hmm...
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:22 AM
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Yes, mine does it too - however, I have not had any issues when I carry it and remove it from the holster. However, I can see how this might be an issue.

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Old 05-08-2012, 06:28 AM
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Wow... I only pocket carry fully loaded. +1 and have since I walked out of the LGS

Mine does not go out of battery like that video I just tried and it's loaded with TAP 180gr

( it's a 40 )

Hopefully more will chime in , that's very weird and scary.


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Old 05-08-2012, 06:36 AM
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I like the fact you can see a round in the chamber and the guy in the video keeps his hand in front of the muzzle, not real smart.
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:52 AM
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I'm afraid I dont understand if this is happening on its own or as a result of the lack of a pocket holster, or some holstering technique?

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Old 05-08-2012, 06:55 AM
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This kind of sucks...I was buying mine today...

I will rather wait to see how this evolves...
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:56 AM
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I like the fact you can see a round in the chamber and the guy in the video keeps his hand in front of the muzzle, not real smart.
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I kept waiting for it to go off... Agree, not a smart move at all...
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How many rounds do you have through that?? Almost all my semi autos did that when they were brand new. No way that will fire unless the trigger is pulled

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Mine doesn't do this
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Now that I think about it, as tight the tolerances are on the Shield. My question is, how many rounds have been fired through these that are having problems and are these being properly lubricated?
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My LC9 did the same thing until I put some rounds through it. The reason it only happens with a round in the gun is the ejector is tight when new it is a tight fit to the case rim and the back of the slide. Before I panic I would put a few rounds through the gun and also contact S&W. They will certainly address any problem with one of their products. S&W is still one of the best gun manufactures out there and I have no plans to abandon them until they abandon me. Hasn't happened in all these years so mine isn't going anywhere.
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This kind of sucks...I was buying mine today...

I will rather wait to see how this evolves...
I was going to try and find one today locally.
I think I'll wait for this guys Shield to come back from S&W and read what the issue was/is.
I guess the OP never heard of the laser rule!!!
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:50 AM
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This totally looks like a break in issue to me. It just needs some rounds put through it.
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Great i Just bought mine yesterday and just checked it and it's doing it too. Haven't even fired it yet.
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I kept waiting for it to go off... Agree, not a smart move at all...
Hopefully it was a spent casing and not a live round. But I somehow doubt it.
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This is why you wait a year on any new product or upgrade.
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This is why you wait a year on any new product or upgrade.
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Its neither a new product or an upgrade. Its simply a scaled down version of a very proven S&W M&P. Like the Glock19/26
G23/27 Any 1911 Full size,Commander Size,or Officers Model.
Like the other forum member said its TOTALLY a break in issue. Put some rounds through that bad larry and Charlie Mike (Continue to March)
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My LC9 did the same thing until I put some rounds through it. The reason it only happens with a round in the gun is the ejector is tight when new it is a tight fit to the case rim and the back of the slide. Before I panic I would put a few rounds through the gun and also contact S&W. They will certainly address any problem with one of their products. S&W is still one of the best gun manufactures out there and I have no plans to abandon them until they abandon me. Hasn't happened in all these years so mine isn't going anywhere.
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Frank, I am buying one, no issues there, but rather than to get it now knowing that I will have to send it for repair, I prefer to wait until there is more information on this issue.

I would like to buy it once this issue is addressed. I plan to CC the Shield, so just want peace of mind.
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This is why you wait a year on any new product or upgrade.
Have you even looked at the internals of a Shield? It really isn't a beta gun at all. Mine does not do this. I have over 500 (probably closer to 1,000 because my gun smith had it over a weekend) rnds through it and it is lubed often.
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My PM9 will not do this...I tried immediately after viewing the video but I knew it wouldn't.
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I just tried out my Shield and yes my slide will lock out of battery.

I have only fired 108 rounds through my gun. I am going to the range today to knock out another 150 - 200 rounds.

I would be interested to hear from those who have shot 500 plus rounds if the slide will still stay out of battery per video.

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Would be great to confirm that it is a break-in issue and goes away after x-amount of rounds...
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Perhaps its only affecting a certain run in the production
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Perhaps its only affecting a certain run in the production
Whatever it is or the number of pistols affected, I'm confident that S&W will correct the issue.
It is their best interest to do so with a new product that is selling so well.
Until they do, my plans for a Shield are on hold. I have a perfectly good PM9 that will remain my EDC gun.
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I just field stripped mine and just as I thought, the extractor hook & spring are tight and with a round in the chamber it will hang. Without a round in the chamber it is not an issue. If you remove the barrel and slide around up under the extractor you can feel how tight the fit and spring is. This would be a problem to me if it happened with out a round in the path but to me it is just a tight gun that needs more rounds through it. Personally, I would rather have a gun that ejects everything and would obviously loosen up with use to a gun that would go away with use. Ether way, if it continues and I feel it is an issue, I will contact S&W and have it addressed. The gun is just too accurate and concealable for me to throw it out for something I believe will work itself out with more use. Kahr people are willing to accept that the instructions from the manufacture state you need to run 200 or more rounds through the gun to make it reliable and I never understood that. I guess we all have to consider what we find acceptable and stop listening to what others have to say. I for one will give the gun a chance but that is my comfort zone. You need to decide if this is enough to sway you from all the positive comments we have read so far. Just my .02 and I will shut-up now. Do what feel is right for you as it is your life and safety and you are the only one that has to answer to yourself.
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Are we possibly making a mountain out of a mole hill ?? My M&P9c does the exact same thing and I have carried it for two years with no issues. But then I carry in Raven (kydex) holsters.
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I have 4 M&P's, 2 Compacts and 2 Shields. My Compacts are 5 years old, the Shields about 2 weeks....all 4 do the same thing. This isn't uncommon in Semi-Autos, that's one reason to always carry in a good holster that fits the gun so that the slide isn't subjected to any outside resistance that may force it to move out of battery. Both of my Shields are tighter in that area than the Compacts, but the Compacts have a couple of thousand rounds each through them, the Shields only a couple hundred. I have no qualms about carrying my Shield and I really believe this is a non-issue if the gun is handled properly.
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I just checked mine and guess what, it does it too, however I think it is because of the overly stiff mags. I have to say the 7 rounder is the hardest mag in a handgun I've ever done by hand, my left thumb still stings as I'm typing this. Here's what I found interesting, when loaded with just 6 rounds it would go into battery, albeit slow & gentle, (without a round in the chamber) and was easier the get the mag to seat, so I think the mag is pushing up with such force as to cause part of the problem. With a round in the chamber it did it with even one in the mag. Just my opinion of course, but there has been a lot of talk as to how stiff the mags are. And I could tell as I put the 7 rd mag in it was really pushing hard up into the slide.This and along with it being pretty tight perhaps this will workout with wear, let's hope so. For those checking this for yourself be safe & I'd use the safety for an added bit of avoiding an oops, or better still snap caps. Also this my be a non issue if one carries in a holster that has really good retention, as the draw would likely pull the slide into back into battery anyway.
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I have 4 M&P's, 2 Compacts and 2 Shields. My Compacts are 5 years old, the Shields about 2 weeks....all 4 do the same thing. This isn't uncommon in Semi-Autos, that's one reason to always carry in a good holster that fits the gun so that the slide isn't subjected to any outside resistance that may force it to move out of battery. Both of my Shields are tighter in that area than the Compacts, but the Compacts have a couple of thousand rounds each through them, the Shields only a couple hundred. I have no qualms about carrying my Shield and I really believe this is a non-issue if the gun is handled properly.
I completely AGREE. If this hasn't been an issue with all of the other M&P's, I doubt that it will be an issue with the Shield. I have to make both of my M&P's do this, it does not happen on it's own.
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I'm pretty sure I can make my full-size do this. I'll check them both tonight.

That being said, I've got over 3k through my full-size without a single failure of any kind.
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My recently purchased 9C doesn't do this. Been comtemplating picking up a Shield when they become available again.
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My 2yr old 9c does. But it has never done this on it's own. I have to manually make it happen. Eh .. I am really not concerned.

I just can't imagine cramming a gun into a pocket without a holster of some kind. I want that trigger guard covered.

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I can make mine do it, too, although it has never done it on its own. I probably have 750 rounds through mine. Never noticed it, and have "shoved" it into a variety of holsters looking for something to use. Really have no concerns it will happen during carry. Nice little piece...love it!
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I own 4 M&P's and cannot MAKE this event happen, nor can I get it to fire unless the barrel and slide are in FULL lock up. I also tested a new Shield in a local store and could not MAKE it do this or fire out of battery.

I am wondering about too much spring tension in the magazine forcing a round up tight against the bottom of the barrel/slide.

The person that shot the video of this problem is a dear personal friend of mine and he is already sending it back to S&W. I wanted to take the magazine apart and nip off one coil of the spring to see if my theory held any water but it is on it's way back to the mother ship.

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PS. I will keep you posted upon it's return from S&W if that is any consulation. In live fire the gun did not mis-behave at all.
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None of my M&P's do this. This would be a deal breaker for me getting a Shield. On a hard push my 9c comes out of battery in my Mika holster, but it slides right back. If a Shield did that it may not come back. Not good.
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It's all about the pressure of the mag being in the gun. Put an empty mag in and this can't be recreated.. but I just put a full one in my mp9c and it does lock out of battery. Born on date was end of 2011.. so I don't think it's just limited to older m&p's

Edit: I have about 600 rounds through it

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Even without a mag in mine it still hangs up a little at that same spot.
So i don't think it's a mag issue. Just going to put some rounds threw it soon as i can and see if it loosens up.I would hope there's no need to panic yet. I already sold mine CM9 to buy the Shield. The only think, i wish it had a little bit of a thumb rest but you can't have everything.
I'm sure someone will get to the bottom of this soon.
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my 9C does this when i shove it into my bianchi slide holster...the tightness of the leather pushes the slide back just alittle and out of battery, but if I leave it like that and draw the gun it will snap back into battery... I just keep my thumb on the end of the slide to ensure it doesnt happen...
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The other forum is over at Glock Talk and a few members are able to make it happen with a full mag & round in the chamber, just a full mag & empty chamber and just a chambered round & empty mag. Empty mag and empty chamber does not cause this.

In my original link, there is a user or two with a few hundred rounds through their Shield with this still happening. Someone on this forum must have at least 500- 1,000 rounds through one by now that can confirm if it just needs breaking in. ETa: Okay, I see some do have at least 500-1,000rds through a Shield.

I've had some guns that will hang up a tad when chambering a round but after it's chambered, I can ease the slide back as much or as little as I want, let go and the slide closes fully.

I reholster all striker fired guns and guns without slide locks with my thumb on the back of the slide so I doubt this would ever happen with me. Hopefully enough people call S&W about this so they can do a minor adjustment somewhere and nip it quickly.

In all honestly, this is next to nothing when compared to real problems many other companies have had with their micro 9mm and 380 offerings.

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In all honestly, this is next to nothing when compared to real problems many other companies have had with their micro 9mm and 380 offerings.
Very True ! Just push the thumb on the back of the slide when drawing & should really be a non issue. I'm not going to worry about it.
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I think I may be onto something. I did a quick strip down of mine and wiped it clean of any lubricant. Guess what, mine does it. My round count is roughly 1000. Wiped the outer part of the barrel with a Rem oil wipe, doesn't do it anymore. The only issue I have had with mine is the white dot off of the right rear sight came off while shooting 147gr American Eagle's this past weekend. I trust the Shield with my safety and my families. This is a tight tolerance break in issue in my opinion.
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Are you saying the barrel needs a light film of oil on it to operate?

Love my M&P's, but I'd expect better reliability. This is really going to excite the wolves looking for a weakness in the Shield.

If the tolerances are so tight between the barrel and the slide that it will hang up unless a film of oil is there, what happens when a speck of sand or dirt gets in that gap?

My M&P's don't hang, but I haven't tried wiping them down with denatured alcohol or anything and trying them completely dry.
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I have 4 M&P's, 2 Compacts and 2 Shields. My Compacts are 5 years old, the Shields about 2 weeks....all 4 do the same thing. This isn't uncommon in Semi-Autos, that's one reason to always carry in a good holster that fits the gun so that the slide isn't subjected to any outside resistance that may force it to move out of battery. Both of my Shields are tighter in that area than the Compacts, but the Compacts have a couple of thousand rounds each through them, the Shields only a couple hundred. I have no qualms about carrying my Shield and I really believe this is a non-issue if the gun is handled properly.
I agree - I have had numerous OTHER guns do this. It was really only noticable when breaking in a NEW holster. When a leather holster is new - just keep your thumb on the back of the slide while inserting it into the holster.

You'd think the sky is falling - and some people still are getting worked up over this even when others state what you stated. I'm fine with my Shield, personally.
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I was just thinking this over and went back to my LE days and firearms training.

We did in fact teach the shooters to put their thumb on the rear of the slide when re-holstering to stop the slides of their pistols from moving backward, especially in new or tight fitting holsters.

I myself still revert back to that practice when using some new holsters.

This however does not take away from the fact that I think S&W may have a problem with the Shield that needs to be addresed.
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I agree - I have had numerous OTHER guns do this. It was really only noticable when breaking in a NEW holster. When a leather holster is new - just keep your thumb on the back of the slide while inserting it into the holster.

You'd think the sky is falling - and some people still are getting worked up over this even when others state what you stated. I'm fine with my Shield, personally.
I agree with you totally but if it's something that S&W can tweak with-in a standard work day, it may be worth it to call them and see what they say. I'm still waiting for my LGS to get in any more Shields, but if I had one right now that did this, I'd give them the real world feedback that they should hear.

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I think I may be onto something. I did a quick strip down of mine and wiped it clean of any lubricant. Guess what, mine does it. My round count is roughly 1000. Wiped the outer part of the barrel with a Rem oil wipe, doesn't do it anymore. The only issue I have had with mine is the white dot off of the right rear sight came off while shooting 147gr American Eagle's this past weekend. I trust the Shield with my safety and my families. This is a tight tolerance break in issue in my opinion.
Funny thing is, I put a light coat of oil on the barrel of every semi-auto I own. Now I know I would not have noticed this on my Shield at all. This is a common way to lube up a 1911, especially with tighter tolerances. I think when it comes to poly guns, people are used to loose tolerances and lube as little as possible.

ETA: Those plastic white dot inserts have a tendency to fall out. I just let them fall out and use good old fashion paint.

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Oh I can see a lot of problems with this....

Pulling your weapon and bumping the slide against something backing the slide out of battery, maybe you are pulling your gun out in a car and bump the steering wheel. Maybe you struggle with a BG and he hits at your gun and bumps the slide back a bit.

Maybe you drop your gun and pick it up and the slide is out of battery. Or the whole holster thing. I don't like the idea myself, and none of mine do it, but this is going to be huge.

It may as well be a safety that just comes on at will. Same effect.

Have no doubt, if the Shield can be bumped and rendered inoperable, there is a problem!

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Oh I can see a lot of problems with this....

Pulling your weapon and bumping the slide against something backing the slide out of battery, maybe you are pulling your gun out in a car and bump the steering wheel. Maybe you struggle with a BG and he hits at your gun and bumps the slide back a bit.

Maybe you drop your gun and pick it up and the slide is out of battery. Or the whole holster thing. I don't like the idea myself, and none of mine do it, but this is going to be huge.

It may as well be a safety that just comes on at will. Same effect.

Have no doubt, if the Shield can be bumped and rendered inoperable, there is a problem!

Welcome to the start of the fastest growing thread on the forum!
Have you tried lubing the barrel to see if it still occurs? If not, THAT is something to mention to S&W themselves. They are going to need repeated feedback of the same "issue" if they are going to "fix" it.
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Hmmm I've noticed when inserting a loaded mag and closing the slide it sometimes does this. However, it's never done it while holstering or unholstering. I'm thinking it may be an issue with the mags. I think it's happened maybe once or twice in 300 rounds.
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Have you tried lubing the barrel to see if it still occurs? If not, THAT is something to mention to S&W themselves. They are going to need repeated feedback of the same "issue" if they are going to "fix" it.
Nope. I don't own a Shield yet.

I just took an M&P9c apart and watched the slide go over the magazine without the barrel in place. The rounds in the magazine rub against the bottom of the slide and the shell has to slide up and down inside the extractor arm as the barrel drops.

Is there a burr on the extractor? A burr inside the chamber?
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