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Old 05-09-2012, 07:04 PM
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question about the shield, everything I have read so far makes not mention about this,but is it a +1 gun?

In fact the fact sheet on the website even makes no mention of the fact either
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:28 PM
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What is a +1 gun?
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:34 PM
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What is a +1 gun?
Full mag plus one in the chamber.

The Shield should be a +1 gun like every other gun made today.

ETA: I just noticed the full size and Compact guns say "17+1" & "12+1" Interesting that it's absent on the Shield description.

ETA#2: On hold with S&W now.

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Old 05-09-2012, 07:35 PM
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Do you mean +1 as in 7 +1 or 8 +1. The +1 refers to one round loaded in the chamber.

Sorry Nakanokalronin, you beat me to it.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:37 PM
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What I was wondering too, but that is stated.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:44 PM
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Yes I was talking about having one in chamber with the full 7 or 8 mag.

I haven't personally tested this at the range yet, should go some time next week. Just wondering if anyone knew before I go
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And why would you wonder if it was a plus 1 gun? Insert the mag, rack the slide, remove mag and insert a bullet and place mag back in pistol. Of course it's a +1 gun-I don't see any need to specify it! YMMV
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:47 PM
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Yes I was talking about having one in chamber with the full 7 or 8 mag.

I haven't personally tested this at the range yet, should go some time next week. Just wondering if anyone knew before I go
On hold with S&W now. I'll reply when I get an answer.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:48 PM
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And why would you wonder if it was a plus 1 gun? Insert the mag, rack the slide, remove mag and insert a bullet and place mag back in pistol. Of course it's a +1 gun-I don't see any need to specify it! YMMV
Well they specify the other guns as +1 but not the Shield. I'd rather get an answer from the horses mouth, post it on here and kill this thread early.
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Well they specify the other guns as +1 but not the Shield. I'd rather get an answer from the horses mouth, post it on here and kill this thread early.
lol .. you're a good man.
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but is it a +1 gun?
Actually it's a +3 Giantslayer
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:10 PM
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I'm next in line with S&W, but I just had a thought. It may be because it comes with 2 different capacity size magazines unlike the other models.

ETA: On hold for 54min now. I was first at position 9 but I wonder if anyone is even there now.

ETA#2: Obviously they cut out early since I called before they closed. I'll try again tomorrow morning and update in this thread.

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This is too freaking funny - For all you folks with inquiring minds, READ page 17 & especially page 18 of your manual. It describes how to safely load your Shield to a "+1" capacity.
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This is too freaking funny - For all you folks with inquiring minds, READ page 17 & especially page 18 of your manual. It describes how to safely load your Shield to a "+1" capacity.
Yup .. but really, you don't have to read the manual to figure that out. It's a semi auto and a given.
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Yup .. but really, you don't have to read the manual to figure that out. It's a semi auto and a given.
Agreed, AND too many folks are taught WHAT to think these days and not HOW to think, hence my reference to the manual!
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Agreed, AND too many folks are taught WHAT to think these days and not HOW to think, hence my reference to the manual!
Some just don't think.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:58 PM
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I always read my manuals from cover to cover even though I have been shooting for 25 years.
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I always read my manuals from cover to cover even though I have been shooting for 25 years.
So do I. I keep all of my manuals together and handy. I write purchase dates, from where purchased, SN's on them. If I buy a gun that a manual did not come with the gun, I will contact the maker and order one.
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This is too freaking funny - For all you folks with inquiring minds, READ page 17 & especially page 18 of your manual. It describes how to safely load your Shield to a "+1" capacity.
I don't have the manual or a Shield in hand yet or I defiantly would of checked that first. I figured it was +1 like every other semi-auto but I didn't want this to turn into another "out of battery" thread by getting a direct answer from S&W that I could type out here.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:20 PM
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Why the hell would you NOT have +1? This thread is retarded.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:24 PM
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Why the hell would you NOT have +1? This thread is retarded.
Seems a lot of assumptions are coming up as of late. There are also people that won't top off magazines to avoid any potential issues in many different firearms, including rifles. With so many different opinions and traditions out there, it's hard to make everyone understand reason unless they hear it from the head himself which in this case, is S&W.

Retarded, sure but I like to see threads like this go away or at least be around for anyone else with a similar question.
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Really, I mean REALLY!!!! Can't believe someone even posted this thread to ask this question. "Common Sense" is not very "Common" in this case. Wish I had the three minutes back of my life that it took me to read this and post a reply!
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IS the OP serious about this question?

i also have a question...could the 9mm rounds the Shield shoots be used for putting holes in paper as well as humans? S&W said this is a self defense pistol and therefore made to shoot people. the manual never mentions shooting paper targets....think it will be ok?
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I shot my Shield for the first time today. I fully intend to carry mine 7+1 so when I was at the range I shot it just that way. That 7 round magazine is tight fitting fully loaded. I wanted to make sure a round was stripped from a fully loaded mag after the first shot was fired. The gun had no issues loading JHP when starting out 7+1. This isn't a double stacked M&P FS or compact. You are sacrificing rounds with a Shield in exchange for a smaller package. I suggest you get as many rounds loaded as the pistol will allow.
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I shot my Shield for the first time today. I fully intend to carry mine 7+1 so when I was at the range I shot it just that way. That 7 round magazine is tight fitting fully loaded. I wanted to make sure a round was stripped from a fully loaded mag after the first shot was fired. The gun had no issues loading JHP when starting out 7+1. This isn't a double stacked M&P FS or compact. You are sacrificing rounds with a Shield in exchange for a smaller package. I suggest you get as many rounds loaded as the pistol will allow.
This is what I was looking for, being new I didnt know that every semi-auto is a +1 either
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I'm next in line with S&W, but I just had a thought. It may be because it comes with 2 different capacity size magazines unlike the other models.

ETA: On hold for 54min now. I was first at position 9 but I wonder if anyone is even there now.

ETA#2: Obviously they cut out early since I called before they closed. I'll try again tomorrow morning and update in this thread.
I sincerely hope you are totally joking....

Oh, I just looked at the manual... If you load the magazine backwards, it's a +2 gun.
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I sincerely hope you are totally joking....

Oh, I just looked at the manual... If you load the magazine backwards, it's a +2 gun.
If it did not go into battery would it not be -8 or -9?
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This is what I was looking for, being new I didnt know that every semi-auto is a +1 either
It's always what the magazine holds which varies with every type/make of magazines, and the +1 is the round in the chamber (if you carry one chambered like most of us do)

I am guessing that you are pretty new to firearms? If so .. good to know. How else are you going to learn if ya don't ask? Anyways, some of us here reeeaaally needed the comical relief, and you were IT

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If it did not go into battery would it not be -8 or -9?
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You guys better be careful now, you don't want some over zealous prosecuter to send you to prison for life because you carried +1. Just back down the capacity by one and you can't be prosecuted for carrying too many rounds in the gun at one time. It's true, I read it in an email from an internet lawyer.
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You guys better be careful now, you don't want some over zealous prosecuter to send you to prison for life because you carried +1. Just back down the capacity by one and you can't be prosecuted for carrying too many rounds in the gun at one time. It's true, I read it in an email from an internet lawyer.
He's right. In fact, maybe it's best just to leave it unloaded in the box. Put it way and forget you ever bought it.
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He's right. In fact, maybe it's best just to leave it unloaded in the box. Put it way and forget you ever bought it.
Yup .. ammo is cheaper that way.
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question about the shield, everything I have read so far makes not mention about this,but is it a +1 gun?

In fact the fact sheet on the website even makes no mention of the fact either
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This is what I was looking for, being new I didnt know that every semi-auto is a +1 either
Glad you got the answer you were looking for.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers.

I guess sometimes alot of people forget how they started back then...
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Storm40 has it right.
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I sincerely hope you are totally joking....

Oh, I just looked at the manual... If you load the magazine backwards, it's a +2 gun.
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He's right. In fact, maybe it's best just to leave it unloaded in the box. Put it way and forget you ever bought it.
Well now that's just silly talk. Do what I do. Field strip the pistol, carry the frame in your right front pocket, carry the slide in your left front pocket, the magazine goes in the back pocket of your choosing, while the ammunition for the magazine rides loosely in the other back pocket. I like to call it "Condition 18", which is 15 Conditions safer than Condition 3 carry.
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If God is all powerful, can he make a rock so big that HE HIMSELF can't lift it?

He is all powerful but since there are laws that are absolute he can do anything logically possible.
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Just to clarify, is this one of those Shields where you can't see the target if you close your eyes?
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Just to clarify, is this one of those Shields where you can't see the target if you close your eyes?
That is indeed the one. Don't ya hate it when they do that? It's really irritating
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That is TOTALLY why S&W named it the Shield
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This is what I was looking for, being new I didnt know that every semi-auto is a +1 either
They aren't.

It's been 20+ years since I had a shop, but a new gun came in.......
I'm trying to remember if it was Sig's first plastic gun, or their first compact 45, or what. I really DON'T remember what it was, nor IF it was even a Sig, but a brand new name brand auto came in that would NOT seat a fully loaded mag with the slide in battery.
Sorry I can't remember exactly what it was, but that was several thousand guns ago.
It was probably just an early glitch with the followers and probably worked out later.
I still try them all.
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They aren't.

It's been 20+ years since I had a shop, but a new gun came in.......
I'm trying to remember if it was Sig's first plastic gun, or their first compact 45, or what. I really DON'T remember what it was, nor IF it was even a Sig, but a brand new name brand auto came in that would NOT seat a fully loaded mag with the slide in battery.
Sorry I can't remember exactly what it was, but that was several thousand guns ago.
It was probably just an early glitch with the followers and probably worked out later.
I still try them all.
Sounds like a 0 + 0
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It's always what the magazine holds which varies with every type/make of magazines, and the +1 is the round in the chamber (if you carry one chambered like most of us do)

I am guessing that you are pretty new to firearms? If so .. good to know. How else are you going to learn if ya don't ask? Anyways, some of us here reeeaaally needed the comical relief, and you were IT
New to handguns, but not to the internet, so not really surprised by the responses
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New to handguns, but not to the internet, so not really surprised by the responses
Let it slide. We all started out at some point. Not everyone has/had the benefit of growing up in a home with a peer/parent to mentor. That would be me. You can learn a lot on the 'net, make contacts that can benefit you in many great ways. Have you found a gun website in/for your state? If not do a google search. There are a lot of very good gun people who will gladly help you get started so that you are safe and do things correctly from the start.

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Silly as it sounds, this is actually a legitimate question, sort of....

Some semi's work better with one less round in the magazine that specified, at least until the magazine spring gets a little "used".... So, if you have a seven round magazine, loading the top round into the chamber and NOT putting another round in to top off the magazine may be a good idea for a month or so....

(I expect the guns that don't like a full magazine are/were in the same boat.)

I had to learn about everything the hard way. With a lot of help here on the forums. Dad was in the CCC program before WWII, and a Medic all through the war, and while he never got overseas, he likely qualified with about everything that a single Infantryman would be likely to carry, but when I started talking about bringing a gun into the house, he insisted that I bring a badge, too. So I did.... ("Rent-a-cop".) Never could get him interested in going to the range, though.

I had an uncle who was a pistol instructor during WWII, too, but he never wanted to be around 'em after the war. Another uncle briefly ran a supply warehouse in Italy, and could have sent his six kids through college with a handful of the captured drillings & such in there, but when his turn to come home showed up, he handed the keys to the next guy and got on the boat....

OTOH, I'm a born tinkerer anyway, and one of the great things about the M&P's (and the 1911) is that you can pretty easily figure out how they work, and do whatever's necessary.

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I'm next in line with S&W, but I just had a thought. It may be because it comes with 2 different capacity size magazines unlike the other models.

ETA: On hold for 54min now. I was first at position 9 but I wonder if anyone is even there now.

ETA#2: Obviously they cut out early since I called before they closed. I'll try again tomorrow morning and update in this thread.
54 mins, wow, I dont think I would have had the patience.
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Hey .. I cracked on the guy too. But as he stated, he is new to handguns. A joke gets really old if you keep it going too long, then it's just not funny any longer.
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Let it slide. We all started out at some point. Not everyone has/had the benefit of growing up in a home with a peer/parent to mentor. That would be me. You can learn a lot on the 'net, make contacts that can benefit you in many great ways. Have you found a gun website in/for your state? If not do a google search. There are a lot of very good gun people who will gladly help you get started so that you are safe and do things correctly from the start.
Thanks for the advice, joined a few forums. My Dad also got back interest in handguns, but he was always a revolver guy. So we are learning semi's together.
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