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Im looking for the best personal defense ammo out there. What do you perfer and what do you think is to be the best defense ammo there. Help me fet the right ammo. I want the hornady home defense zombie ammo but cant find any anywere. Plzzz help me!!
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:56 PM
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I like Hornady 175gr critical duty or 165 gold dot Double Taps. Don't know if DT makes them any more. 3rd choice is my own hand load 155gr XTP 9.3 gr Longshot new starline brass. This load is the most accurate of the 3 but the Critical duty has the best penetration and expansion characteristics.
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Im looking for the best personal defense ammo out there. What do you perfer and what do you think is to be the best defense ammo there. Help me fet the right ammo. I want the hornady home defense zombie ammo but cant find any anywere. Plzzz help me!!
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I like Speer Gold Dot 124 grain JHP +P short barrel.

Youtube has some good videos on defense ammo.

Gold Dot penetrates 13 inches in gel, retains most of its mass, mushrooms even after traveling through denim and makes 3 inch gashes as it travels through the gel.

I feel pretty good it can get the job done.

There is a reason why they call it "Gold" Dot. A box of 20 short barrel will take 26 Washington's.

It is not target ammo.

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I carry Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr
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Can you guys tell me what
You think about hornady zombie defense ammo. I believe its home defense ammo sinse zombies dont exsist. Ill post a pic of specs.
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9mm Gold Dot 124 gr
.40 Gold Dot 180 gr or Hornady Critical Defense 165 gr
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P. 50 round boxes are all I use - nothing else.

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suggest self defense ammo for 9mm Shield please

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I like Speer Gold Dot 124 grain JHP +P short barrel.

Youtube has some good videos on defense ammo.

Gold Dot penetrates 13 inches in gel, retains most of its mass, mushrooms even after traveling through denim and makes 3 inch gashes as it travels through the gel.

I feel pretty good it can get the job done.

There is a reason why they call it "Gold" Dot. A box of 20 short barrel will take 26 Washington's.

It is not target ammo.

Russ
AGREE! Thats what i use and trust for home and what i suggest to friends and family. Cant go wrong with Gold Dot.
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You think about hornady zombie defense ammo. I believe its home defense ammo sinse zombies dont exsist. Ill post a pic of specs.
Same thing. Only difference is the zombie has a green center and a brass case. The critical defense has a nickel plate case and orange center. Same price but one has a better case. IMHO.
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I use Federal HST P9HST3 124 +P. Solid stuff, and well recommended. I also like Speer Gold Dot 124 +P and Remington Golden Sabre.

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Simple.

Shoot what you practice with and practice what you shoot with.

Knowing your weapon and hitting what you are aiming at is the most important part of survival.
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Same thing. Only difference is the zombie has a green center and a brass case. The critical defense has a nickel plate case and orange center. Same price but one has a better case. IMHO.
Exactly, I like the nickel plate myself, better feeding. I'm using the 115 gr Critical Defense. At my LGS the CD is a bit higher though.
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I would ONLY buy what you can get in 50rd boxes! Everything else (except $14-$15/50 rem golden sabers) is a greedy scam--why pay 70-100% more for ammo that is AT BEST on par with Federal HST, SPEER GD, and Wichester Ranger. Those 3 are all available online in 50rd boxes for the same price as 20-25rds of the Hornady or Corbon or whatever. They're using fear to sell overpriced stuff (hoping you'll pay the MOST for what you assume is the "best" when your life is on the line).

Though there are variables like clothing, barriers, etc., those 3 brands will all suit you well. Especially for CCW distances. I shot Speer when I got it for free, and still would if Federal and Winchester werent a few bucks more affordable. The HSTs just do soooo well in testing, and can be found for $24.95, so anyone who pays that--or more--for Hornady is buying into advertising hype or something (not performance) IMHO. I often get the 147gr hi-shocks for $16.99/50, and feel perfectly confident in them.

Assuming youre talking 9mm, I'd stick with 124GR or 147gr...as long as th gun eats it with no issues. Placement is more important, and no one will know the difference between 115 and 147 going through their eye socket--but for COM, the heavier bullets generally penetrate deeper. Unless you've shot a lot, I'd stick with standard pressure--the +Ps may slow follow-up down without lots of practice (and at 1-4yards, the extra 50-90fps won't be noticeable to the BG).

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Corbon DPX is in all my pistols

Look at the SIM tests on youtube by Troutoutdoors

3/4 inch expansion.......


I did my own backyard tests with Wetpack and 4 layers of blue jeans

The Corbon was better than any of the others in expansion and penetration, with HSTs in second
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Robby;

I gather you have the 9 mm version? First, buy a decent supply of 115 or 124 gr FMJ ammo for practice. It will recoil similar to the expensive SD ammo.

Next, try several of the options mentioned above. Any JHP round in the above weights should work well. Try to ignore green tips, +++P, and other distractions. Once you find a loading that functions 100%, is accurate for you and the gun and you can afford, buy a good supply, practice regularly and call it good. Hope this is helpful.
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Speer Gold Dot 9mm 115 gr Gel Test - YouTube

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Ima shoot the hornadys zombie max they are cheaper than critical defense 15 bucks online critical is 23 at my stores whats this about anti freeze for the tip?
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Zombie has a green tip; critical defense has a red tip. That and the brass versus nickel case are the only difference. For 25rds, $15 isn't bad...still not as good a deal as HST and Ranger at good prices. Plus, I've heard of Hornady having bad batches--haven't heard of a bad batch of HST or Rangers. Not saying it never happened or won't.
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I use 124gr Speer Gold Dot +P. I got a box of 250 from my LGS for $99.
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Wow. Though I tend to avoid +P, for that price I'd get it.

That 115gr Speer GD video was good...though 115 ammo does seem to lose more % of velocity than 124 and 147 from what I've read....so it might be 70-100fps slower out of the Shield barrel (vs the G19 in the test) and not perform at that level. I, personally, find the recoil a bit snappy in those lightweight, fast loads, so I prefer 930-940fps 147gr, though 1025-1050 130gr standard pressure would be my ideal.

I really think at most common CCW distances of 3-6 feet, no one's gonna notice the difference between most good brands regardless of weight and speed, so paying 75-100% more for one ammo over another just encourages everyone to market their latest, greatest stuff in 20-25rd $25 boxes and maximize profits.
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I'm sticking with the 147gr.HST's and Rangers since it is what I stock for all my nines.The 124+P Gold Dot is one of the most consistent loads available and you can't go wrong with it.
I have not yet chronoed any of the 147's from the Shield but until I see a fail that's what I'll use since they shoot so well in this pistol,just like all the others.
Just my personal preference from my own testing,but there are sooo many good 9mm loads to choose from.
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i run gold dots in all of my pistols. and i got lucky last year to find that my local shop had bought some blemish gold dots from Speer. on each case you could see a nick or blemish in the brass. course i have shot 25 or so with no problems.

oh the price....124 gr Speer Gold Dot +P ...250 rounds for $99
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i run gold dots in all of my pistols. and i got lucky last year to find that my local shop had bought some blemish gold dots from Speer. on each case you could see a nick or blemish in the brass. course i have shot 25 or so with no problems.

oh the price....124 gr Speer Gold Dot +P ...250 rounds for $99
Great deal on an excellant load!
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Take a look at Barnes XPB.
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Question now is... Critical Defense vs. Critical Duty. :P
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Remington Golden Saber in all my guns.
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My vote is for Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel.

If you are dead-set on Hornady Critical Defense or Duty, then the prices at SGAmmo.com | Family Owned and Operated, Stillwater Oklahoma are really great.

Honestly, I'd go with Duty before Defense out of the two. Not only is it bonded, it comes in 50 round boxes and is overall cheaper on that site.

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Another vote for 124g Speer Gold Dot +p SB
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Just curious....

Are any of you seeing more (or less) setback with one brand of round than another? I kind of like Federal's HST and other offerings for their cannelure, which seems to keep this from happening easily. I've read of complaints with the Gold Dot's setting back easily (although that was in .45 rounds).

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Speer Gold Dot is all I run through my M&P's. Feed perfectly and fire fine through the Shield 9mm. With my FS .45 I have run Hornaday, Corbon +P and Speer Gold Dot 230 Gr. The Gold Dot feed the best, shoot the best, expand the best, and just overall have performed to standard. I think others would agree.
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Select from:

Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)

Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)

Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)

Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)

Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)

Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP

Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)

Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)

Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)

Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)

Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)

Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)

Any one of them will do. Buy the best deal.
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Don't exist? Then how do you explain the zombie ammo, knives and other gun accessories to deal with Zombies? Right here in Florida we had a guy chewing off another guy's face recently. Heck I even cut crosses on my ammo and dip them in holy water. As far as I am concerned Zombies do exists and eat brains because there is no other explanation for some of the posts you see on the internet.
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Federal hst 124 +p. There's a video on YouTube cornograph w the Shield. Hst has the most velocity in it
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Don't exist? Then how do you explain the zombie ammo, knives and other gun accessories to deal with Zombies? Right here in Florida we had a guy chewing off another guy's face recently. Heck I even cut crosses on my ammo and dip them in holy water. As far as I am concerned Zombies do exists and eat brains because there is no other explanation for some of the posts you see on the internet.
Wasn't that just awful. The guy that did it was shot several times & didn't stop until a head shot. Was on bath salt drugs supposedly (at least that's what I've seen about the story). That's why always carry, there are nuts, and people full of the Devil everywhere.
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Don't exist? Then how do you explain the zombie ammo, knives and other gun accessories to deal with Zombies? Right here in Florida we had a guy chewing off another guy's face recently. Heck I even cut crosses on my ammo and dip them in holy water. As far as I am concerned Zombies do exists and eat brains because there is no other explanation for some of the posts you see on the internet.
Ammo makers and others know there are superstitious buyers who will swallow anything. They can turn that into a profit. Suckers will pay because they have no foundation for their belief system except what they see in movies. Your face eating crank was no zombie, just a drugged up misanthrope who watched too many zombie movies himself. Cutting crosses in your ammo is silly religious superstition having no basis in the Christian faith.
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If ammo makers really wanted to make big bucks, they'd sell silver coated bullets in 5-packs, "just in case.". ;o)

I see a lot of people choose Speer GD. It always performs near the top, but I always heard their primers can be a bit harder than federals....any truth to that?
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I recently shot my 9mm Shield with 147gr. Gold Dots, 124gr. HST +P and 124gr. PDX-1 +P. The HST got the best group so that's what will be carried in it eventually. They also seem to penetrate and expand quite well in small or large semi-autos.
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You do not say the caliber, but in 9mm, I would go with Federal 9mm +P+ 115 grain JHP or Winchester +P+ 127 grain JHP.

In .40 caliber, I would go with either Winchester PDX-1 180 grain JHP or the Federal 155 or 180 grain Hydra-Shok. I would NOT use the Federal 165 grain Hydra-Shok.
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