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Old 06-06-2012, 03:30 PM
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Just this morning I went to my FFL dealer to pick up my new M&P 9mm up. I inspected it everything looked awesome! Took it home and cleaned it up. I reassembed it and locked the slide back. The slide stop will not close the slide on it! But I can manually release the slide. The slide stop will not work? Has anyone seen this before?
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That is a slide stop, not a slide release. I think too many people start thinking they should be able to press it down to release the slide, but it really isn't there for that. It is there to hold the slide open and, the finger switch on it is there to manually lock it open when necessary.

Dropping the slide with the slide stop lever can, like any physical thing, wear out where it holds the slide. So, while it seems nice and all "movieish" to put in a mag, drop the slide using your thumb on the slide stop lever, it isn't something one should do on a regular basis.

Now that's my opinion based on gleaning several things from several sources and some may say I am totally off-base, which is fine. I know I have gone to not doing it.

Also, over time, it will loosen up (hence my statement about wear) so that it will work as a release if you want to do it.
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My M&P9's slide stop was extremely tight when I got it about
4 years ago. I just gave it some time and shot it as much as I could and it eventually loosened to the point where I can release it with just a firm press of my thumb.
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Don"t worry. The slide stop is just that. It is not a slide release.
Some people don't like that feature but with use it may loosen up so that you can release the slide that way. Main point is there is no problem with your new M&P. Congrats on a fine gun and hope you enjoy it.
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I just got my M&P last month and can tell you the M&P's have a bur/edge on the slide stop notch, it will loosen over time. Mine was the same way, it would move and then get hung up... It will loosen and free up over time, or as mentioned get in the habit of racking the slide with your hand. I am still working on racking the slide myself.
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My Compact 9 does this. I personally like it since I always manually release the slide and never use the slide stop as a release. If it bugs you over time it may loosen or you can send it back etc.

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Just take your left hand and rack the slide back now you weapon is ready to fire that is if you had a magazine in the mag well with ammunition in it! You said it in your post the slide stop is doing exactly what it is supposed to do which is to stop the slide, you push up on it to lock back the slide and you rack the slide to chamber a round and ready the weapon.
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Thanks for the information! I am still new to the gun world! I learn a lot from everyone here!
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i hardly ever use the slide stop to release the slide. However, when i first got my FS9, it took 1 maybe 2 trips to the range and the stop got to the point where i could easily release the slide. I prefer to manually release the slide with my hand tho.
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Are you trying to push down on the slide stop with an empty mag inserted without pulling back on the slide first? It can be hard that way with most guns. Try it with a snap cap in the mag or with the empty magazine out of the gun.

As others have said, it's a slide catch first, slide release second. Good to know it can be done one handed but the slingshot or over hand method is better and is a universal way to chamber a new round with any semi-auto.

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The manual says nothing about it being a "slide release" anywhere and is very specific on the method to be used (page 13).
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As you use the gun, you may find, as many others have, that when a full magazine is inserted with the slide back, the slide will self-release and chamber the first round. Some were concerned that this was a defect, as experience showed them that few other semi-auto's behaved this way. So as the gun gets broken in, you will find many changes in the way the gun operates and feels, including the slide and the trigger. This forum is a good source of information on all things M&P.
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This is one area of pistol design which varies by the model.Some weapons you can hit the slide release to reload and its all good. On other model's that tactic is a warranty claim waiting to happen.

On a 5906 S&W you certainly can safely release the slide by depressing the slide lock lever.

On a striker fired piece like the M&P you run the risk of shearing off the lever by using it that way, as the weapon is intended to be placed into battery by slingshot maneuver of the slide-that's why the back end is so scalloped after all. Some handguns like the Walther PK380 don't have an outside slide release at all.
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This is one area of pistol design which varies by the model.Some weapons you can hit the slide release to reload and its all good. On other model's that tactic is a warranty claim waiting to happen.

On a 5906 S&W you certainly can safely release the slide by depressing the slide lock lever.

On a striker fired piece like the M&P you run the risk of shearing off the lever by using it that way, as the weapon is intended to be placed into battery by slingshot maneuver of the slide-that's why the back end is so scalloped after all. Some handguns like the Walther PK380 don't have an outside slide release at all.
Maybe on an M&P there is that risk, but Glock states in their manual that you can either chamber a round by pulling back on the slide and releasing it, or using the slide release.
I find it a bit disturbing that you can't use the slide stop as a release. The Murphy Factor could come into play and you may not be able to use your free hand to pull back the slide. I want the option of using my firing hand to manipulate the slide release.
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This is one area of pistol design which varies by the model.Some weapons you can hit the slide release to reload and its all good. On other model's that tactic is a warranty claim waiting to happen.

On a 5906 S&W you certainly can safely release the slide by depressing the slide lock lever.

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... I want the option of using my firing hand to manipulate the slide release.
Well, some guns are designed that way and some aren't. 5906 is and specifically states that you can release the slide with the slide stop lever. M&P doesn't.

Not saying it won't do it, just that S&W does not state that you can. The manual says to pull the slide back and release it.

I can on my Colt 1911 but not consistently and the Colt manual does not recommend it.

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Well, some guns are designed that way and some aren't. 5906 is and specifically states that you can release the slide with the slide stop lever. M&P doesn't.

Not saying it won't do it, just that S&W does not state that you can. The manual says to pull the slide back and release it.

I can on my Colt 1911 but not consistently and the Colt manual does not recommend it.
The Colt manual doesn't say one way or the other about using the slide stop as a slide release. At least, in the manuals on Colt's website. And IDPA 1911A1 shooters regularly use the slide stop as a release. As a matter of fact, they have modified them as extended slide releases to make it much easier to use. If using the slide stop ona 1911 produces some kind of excessive wear, than you have some really ****** parts or a ****** gun. The parts you can make durable by installing Ed Brown Hardcore® parts. They are guaranteed for life. If you have a ****** gun...well...there is always a trade-in.


SIG also offers the option of using either the slide release or slingshot the slide itself.
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The manual says nothing about it being a "slide release" anywhere and is very specific on the method to be used (page 13).
I read every page of the manual, and while it does state to use the slingshot method to chamber a round, nowhere does it say to NOT use the slide stop to chamber a round. I would think if there was a warranty danger from using the slide stop to release the slide, S&W would have been VERY clear about it in the manual. They certainly have enough red ink warnings about other things you shouldn't do with the gun. Shearing off the lever!?!? If that part is that flimsy, then I don't think I want to buy the gun.

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It's good to see that manuals are suggesting the sling shot method. They're trying to teach good habits.

Using the slide lock as a slide release is fine for a one hand manipulation drill, but think about what's happening when you use it. Metal is being pressed against metal with a compressed spring. You then drag down the slide stop against the slide notch under this pressure to release the slide. Any time your grinding metal against metal there will be extra wear, especially with tension behind it. I don't think anyone lubes that area either, yet we lube every other sliding/rotating surface.

It can have a worse effect on some pistols than others. People do it enough where they eventually post threads like "My slide won't lock back on an empty mag." or "The slide releases by itself when I insert a new mag, even though it never did before."

The slide locks on some poly pistols like the XD, M&P, Glock and so forth, are just bent over sheet metal and are not as substantial as say a 92FS,1911 or BHP slide stop. This may be the reason some of those manuals will actually suggest the sling shot method but it's a good habit to get into because it allows that little bit of extra tension by pulling back the slide to chamber a round and it will be second nature to chamber a round weather a gun has an external or internal slide lock.

Lot's of things are done in movies that look neat like using the slide lock and flicking the cylinder over on a revolver, but they're not exactly great on the gun in real life.
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It's good to see that manuals are suggesting the sling shot method. They're trying to teach good habits.

Using the slide lock as a slide release is fine for a one hand manipulation drill, but think about what's happening when you use it. Metal is being pressed against metal with a compressed spring. You then drag down the slide stop against the slide notch under this pressure to release the slide. Any time your grinding metal against metal there will be extra wear, especially with tension behind it. I don't think anyone lubes that area either, yet we lube every other sliding/rotating surface.

It can have a worse effect on some pistols than others. People do it enough where they eventually post threads like "My slide won't lock back on an empty mag." or "The slide releases by itself when I insert a new mag, even though it never did before."

The slide locks on some poly pistols like the XD, M&P, Glock and so forth, are just bent over sheet metal and are not as substantial as say a 92FS,1911 or BHP slide stop. This may be the reason some of those manuals will actually suggest the sling shot method but it's a good habit to get into because it allows that little bit of extra tension by pulling back the slide to chamber a round and it will be second nature to chamber a round weather a gun has an external or internal slide lock.

Lot's of things are done in movies that look neat like using the slide lock and flicking the cylinder over on a revolver, but they're not exactly great on the gun in real life.
Never mentioned movies or TV. My experience with using the slide stop as a slide release came from my training while in the big green machine (US Army) using a 1911A1. Evidently Uncle Sammie takes Murphy's Law ("Anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong") into account more than civilian folks. Calling the slingshot method a "good habit" is a bit dismissive of IDPA shooters who have a LOT more experince than most folks in these matters. Again, if you have quality parts and not flimsy junk, using the slide stop should be no problem. And yes, I lube the slide stop, although more for smooth operation than preventing wear. Cripes, you folks make it sound like the grinding is equivalent to a rasp on the metal. The slide stop on the SIG is also sheet metal and SIG DOES recommend using it to release the slide. Go figure.
I think we are running into a lot of "theorists" who are suggesting possibilities rather than actual events that take place.

Slides not locking back on an empty mag are more likely caused by weak springs in the magazine than worn slide stops.

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The slide stop will losen up over time. I rented a M&P 9 and 40 before I bought mine, and both slide stops were lose enough you could chamber a round by releaseing it with ease. Who knows how many thousands of rounds those guns have seen? I have about 800 rounds through my 9 now, and you can chamber a round by releasing the stop if you want to... but its not real easy. It seems to get a little easier every hundred rounds or so.
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Never mentioned movies or TV. My experience with using the slide stop as a slide release came from my training while in the big green machine (US Army) using a 1911A1. Evidently Uncle Sammie takes Murphy's Law ("Anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong") into account more than civilian folks. Calling the slingshot method a "good habit" is a bit dismissinve of IDPA shooters who have a LOT more experince than most folks in these matters. Again, if you have quality parts and not flimsy junk, using the slide stop should be no problem. And yes, I lube the slide stop, although more for smooth operation than preventing wear. Cripes, you folks make it sound like the grinding is equivalent to a rasp on the metal. The slide stop on the SIG is also sheet metal and SIG DOES recommend using it to release the slide. Go figure.
I think we are running into a lot of "theorists" who are suggesting possibilities rather than actual events that take place.

Slides not locking back on an empty mag are more likely caused by weak springs in the magazine than worn slide stops.
I never quoted anyone in my post so I'm not sure why you thought it was pertaining to you. Maybe because of the manual thing where they say to use the sling shot method? BTW,IDPA is not about training in a real world defensive scenario even though it means International Defensive Pistol Association. They have you shoot around garbage cans and under cars to make it more realistic than shooting around plywood barriers (which they also do) ,but it's a competition, nothing more.

Metal sliding across metal under spring tension vs. the slide stop popping down out of the way when the slide is retracted by using the sling shot or overhand method.......which one causes more wear? It's not a theory, just basic physics of metal working. I've been a machinist for the past 15 years and have worked with enough material and have seen wear on enough parts to know what the causes are. How much wear depends on the part design and what material it's made from. Grinding two metal surfaces together as opposed to moving one piece of metal out of the way while the other slides by without touching it are two different things.

I'm not going to get into this topic, but military training is a tad different, especially when we're talking about a secondary weapon.

In any case, anyone can do what they want. Again, I didn't quote anyone in my post, but I did this time since I was quoted.

I'll repost this link here from a well respected trainer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVGQQ...eature=related

Competition vs. real world also has a lot to do about using the slide stop vs. sling shot or overhand. One hand manipulation drills will incorporate the slide stop as a release and that's a situation that may require it when there is no ledge to hook the back sight on and that's only if the back sight is set-up for it.

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I had the same issue with my M&P 40 Pro-Series. Initially the only way I could get the slide to release was by manually racking/releasing it from slide lock. After running 400-500 rounds through it the problem has started to clear up and now it just requires firm pressure to release the slide.
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Well I invented the internet...so there. LOL...I just love it when people have to add that they are gunsmiths/machinists/mechanical engineers/etc., in order to boost their legitimacy.

I took a much more practical route to this question of using the slide stop as a slide release. I ASKED S&W DIRECTLY. I sent an e-mail to them, and if and when I get a reply, I will post it on here. If I am wrong, I won't claim that I am Bill Clinton and it depends on what "is" is. I will admit my mistake. I wonder if others will?
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I took a much more practical route to this question of using the slide stop as a slide release. I ASKED S&W DIRECTLY. I sent an e-mail to them, and if and when I get a reply, I will post it on here. If I am wrong, I won't claim that I am Bill Clinton and it depends on what "is" is. I will admit my mistake. I wonder if others will?
First off, thank you for your service.

Mentioning my machinist background or mentioning a military background to give a statement credit......
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First off, thank you for your service.

Mentioning my machinist background or mentioning a military background to give a statement credit......
I mentioned my military background to explain my training in the use of the slide lock. You used the machinist thing to legitimize your opinion about the slide lock wearing. Big difference.
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I mentioned my military background to explain my training in the use of the slide lock. You used the machinist thing to legitimize your opinion about the slide lock wearing. Big difference.
and then you said " Evidently Uncle Sammie takes Murphy's Law ("Anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong") into account more than civilian folks. " which would mean the military training you had is better than what civilians are taught which means the slide lock equals a slide release or am I reading it wrong?
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and then you said " Evidently Uncle Sammie takes Murphy's Law ("Anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong") into account more than civilian folks. " which would mean the military training you had is better than what civilians are taught which means the slide lock equals a slide release or am I reading it wrong?
Never said it was better, just different. Stop trying to insert words into my mouth. Do I think the military training was good? Yes. Is it better than civilian training? Maybe. No real way to know. Depending ONLY on slingshotting the slide to chamber a round seems like a very bad idea to me. What happens if you're in a gunfight and you lose the use of your right arm(Murphy Factor)? Much faster to use a slide release than grabbing the slide with your teeth or trying to find your belt and releasing it that way and possibly blowing off your dingus in the process.
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Each firearm has it's own manual of arms. I find it most wise to read and follow each manual as written and not make the assumption that because gun "A" looks similar to gun "B" that both can be automatically treated the same.
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Never said it was better, just different. Stop trying to insert words into my mouth. Do I think the military training was good? Yes. Is it better than civilian training? Maybe. No real way to know. Depending ONLY on slingshotting the slide to chamber a round seems like a very bad idea to me. What happens if you're in a gunfight and you lose the use of your right arm(Murphy Factor)? Much faster to use a slide release than grabbing the slide with your teeth or trying to find your belt and releasing it that way and possibly blowing off your dingus in the process.
I didn't insert or change any words, just copy and pasted what was posted. In any case, let's just let it go.....

I do agree about one hand manipulation drills which is why I put in my post : "One hand manipulation drills will incorporate the slide stop as a release and that's a situation that may require it when there is no ledge to hook the back sight on and that's only if the back sight is set-up for it."

It's good to learn one handed manipulation drills but you don't necessarily use the same method when both hands are free. Training for both is good practice.
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M&P 9mm FS purchased in Jan. - no difficulty releasing the slide with the slide stop.

Same with an M&P Pro 9mm delivered last week, never fired, no problem releasing the slide with the slide stop.

Since 90% of the manual reads like it was written not by a shooter but by a trial lawyer and probably was I don't bother with it.
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The Colt manual doesn't say one way or the other about using the slide stop as a slide release. At least, in the manuals on Colt's website.
Page 25 has specific instructions on how to cock the gun...
"When you are ready to shoot. grip the slide as described in Step 3 and pull it fully rearward to cock the hammer. Release slide to feed a round from the magazine into the chamber. THE PISTOL IS NOW LOADED, COCKED AND READY TO FIRE."
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Page 25 has specific instructions on how to cock the gun...
"When you are ready to shoot. grip the slide as described in Step 3 and pull it fully rearward to cock the hammer. Release slide to feed a round from the magazine into the chamber. THE PISTOL IS NOW LOADED, COCKED AND READY TO FIRE."
Your response made me think of something. With one of my previous pistols I had used the slide lock lever as a release and I wasn't pulling the slide back and releasing. I was wondering why I had some fairly frequent "CLICK" and nothing. Thinking they were duds (after waiting each time for about 30 seconds pointed downrange) I now think that the way I was doing that may not have been fully cocking the pistol. But then again, since I'm not real clear yet on how the innards work, I could just be totally off base.
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Page 25 has specific instructions on how to cock the gun...
"When you are ready to shoot. grip the slide as described in Step 3 and pull it fully rearward to cock the hammer. Release slide to feed a round from the magazine into the chamber. THE PISTOL IS NOW LOADED, COCKED AND READY TO FIRE."
That's fine if you are at the range and ready to shoot IMMEDIATELY.
What if you want to carry it or prepare for action but NOT shoot it?

In Condition Two, the pistol has a cartridge in the chamber and a full magazine in place. When a 1911 is carried in Condition Two, the thumb safety is off and the hammer is down. The grip safety is still in place but does not come into play until the hammer is brought back for firing.

That's how I carry a 1911. When I want to shoot it I ear back the hammer with my thumb.

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That's how I carry a 1911. When I want to shoot it I ear back the hammer with my thumb.
Unless the chamber of your 1911 is empty, you should not carry the weapon that way. It was designed to be carried Condition 1 or hammer down on an empty chamber and that's it.

As far as the whole slide stop vs. slide release thing, some firearms trainers decided that since people supposedly lose fine motor control during a gunfight, that they would not teach people to use the slide stop/release and instead slingshot the slide. It's a fashion thing, mostly, and next year they'll be on to something else. Recently, it's been the idiotic "press" the trigger verbiage. It's a trigger squeeze, it's always been a squeeze, and anybody who says otherwise is trying to sell you on his brilliance and capture your imagination, which is what takes money out of your pocket and puts it in theirs.

Nothing makes up for a lot of practice and doing things consistently. That's it.
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Unless the chamber of your 1911 is empty, you should not carry the weapon that way. It was designed to be carried Condition 1 or hammer down on an empty chamber and that's it.

As far as the whole slide stop vs. slide release thing, some firearms trainers decided that since people supposedly lose fine motor control during a gunfight, that they would not teach people to use the slide stop/release and instead slingshot the slide. It's a fashion thing, mostly, and next year they'll be on to something else. Recently, it's been the idiotic "press" the trigger verbiage. It's a trigger squeeze, it's always been a squeeze, and anybody who says otherwise is trying to sell you on his brilliance and capture your imagination, which is what takes money out of your pocket and puts it in theirs.

Nothing makes up for a lot of practice and doing things consistently. That's it.
Carried it that way all my life from 1967 on without a problem. I am 62 and have NO intention of changing my ways because of a post on a forum or "sage advice" from a firearms instructor. I suggest you do some research on Condition one, two, and three. That's the three ways people carry a 1911A1.

On the rest...I agree 100%. Firearms trainers are never there when you need them (sorta like cops...LOL). They are only there to give advice AFTER THE FACT and tell you what you SHOULD have done.
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Maybe I'm not understanding what you're doing, but if it's hammer down on a loaded chamber in Series 70, please don't do that.

Hey, do as you please, just remember, it could be someone you love that gets hurt or killed if that handgun falls out of its holster onto the hammer. You get a million ways to do things wrong and only one way to do things right. And for the record, I'm not a firearms instructor, I'm not enough of a showman to pull off a career like that!
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That's fine if you are at the range and ready to shoot IMMEDIATELY.
What if you want to carry it or prepare for action but NOT shoot it?

In Condition Two, the pistol has a cartridge in the chamber and a full magazine in place. When a 1911 is carried in Condition Two, the thumb safety is off and the hammer is down. The grip safety is still in place but does not come into play until the hammer is brought back for firing.

That's how I carry a 1911. When I want to shoot it I ear back the hammer with my thumb.
The manual speaks to this on page 26. Note that none of the conditions of carry change the way the gun is initially cocked:

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NOTE: This pistol may be carried in anyone of the following three modes according to your needs:

Mode 1: -MAGAZINE EMPTY, CHAMBER EMPTY. Pistol cannot be discharged.
Use Mode 1 for storage, transporting, cleaning, repair, demonstrating and dry practice.-

Mode 2: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER EMPTY, HAMMER DOWN. Pistol cannot be fired until slide is cycled and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 2 when CARRYING THE PISTOL READY FOR USE. -

Mode 3: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER LOADED, HAMMER
COCKED, SAFETY ON.
Pistol can be fired when slide lock safety is off and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 3 when you MUST BE PREPARED to use the pistol IMMEDIATELY without warning.

WARNING: When you squeeze the trigger, you must expect the gun to fire, and you must take full responsibility for firing it. Your care can avoid accidental discharge, and you will thereby avoid accidental injury and death.
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Maybe I'm not understanding what you're doing, but if it's hammer down on a loaded chamber in Series 70, please don't do that.

Hey, do as you please, just remember, it could be someone you love that gets hurt or killed if that handgun falls out of its holster onto the hammer. You get a million ways to do things wrong and only one way to do things right. And for the record, I'm not a firearms instructor, I'm not enough of a showman to pull off a career like that!
Precisely.

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CAUTION DO NOT CARRY YOUR PISTOL WITH THE HAMMER DOWN ON A LIVE CARTRIDGE!

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Maybe I'm not understanding what you're doing, but if it's hammer down on a loaded chamber in Series 70, please don't do that.

Hey, do as you please, just remember, it could be someone you love that gets hurt or killed if that handgun falls out of its holster onto the hammer. You get a million ways to do things wrong and only one way to do things right. And for the record, I'm not a firearms instructor, I'm not enough of a showman to pull off a career like that!
It's a Series 80. And the holster is a Blackhawk Serpa. No chance of it falling out.
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The manual speaks to this on page 26. Note that none of the conditions of carry change the way the gun is initially cocked:

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Mode 1: -MAGAZINE EMPTY, CHAMBER EMPTY. Pistol cannot be discharged.
Use Mode 1 for storage, transporting, cleaning, repair, demonstrating and dry practice.-

Mode 2: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER EMPTY, HAMMER DOWN. Pistol cannot be fired until slide is cycled and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 2 when CARRYING THE PISTOL READY FOR USE. -

Mode 3: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER LOADED, HAMMER
COCKED, SAFETY ON.
Pistol can be fired when slide lock safety is off and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 3 when you MUST BE PREPARED to use the pistol IMMEDIATELY without warning.

WARNING: When you squeeze the trigger, you must expect the gun to fire, and you must take full responsibility for firing it. Your care can avoid accidental discharge, and you will thereby avoid accidental injury and death.
Do you follow EVERY instruction written in the owner's manual? These owner' manuals also tell you to NEVER keep the gun and ammunition in the same place. This junk was all written by LAWYERS, to protect MANUFACTURERS. Not by gun USERS. They also say NOT to change the grips or any parts on the gun. Do you also obey those rules? I lower the hammer down on a loaded chanber with my thumb on ALL my handguns. I suppose that scares the panties off many folks. Too bad so sad. You do what YOU think is the right thing. Not what some legal eagle who is worried about lawsuits to the manufacturer says is the right thing.
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Do you follow EVERY instruction written in the owner's manual? These owner' manuals also tell you to NEVER keep the gun and ammunition in the same place.
You are not correct. The statement you quoted which is taken directly from the manual shows 2 methods of carry with ammunition in the gun. Now storage of ammunition is a different animal.


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Wow,
you guys sure like to argue.
If everyone simply agreed with me 100%, the world would be a far better place.

For the record, I like for slide stops to release slides.
Nearly 50 years of doing it is a hard habit to abandon.


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I find it a bit disturbing that you can't use the slide stop as a release. The Murphy Factor could come into play and you may not be able to use your free hand to pull back the slide. I want the option of using my firing hand to manipulate the slide release.
Just curious-
After Murphy arrives, how did you get that new mag in the gun one handed? (yes, I know how it can be done)
I would think that if I have a bullet in one arm but still have the presence of mind to get a mag in the gun, I'll probably have the presence of mind to snag the rear sight on something and PUSH. I believe that will release the slide.
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Wow,
you guys sure like to argue.
If everyone simply agreed with me 100%, the world would be a far better place.

For the record, I like for slide stops to release slides.
Nearly 50 years of doing it is a hard habit to abandon.



Just curious-
After Murphy arrives, how did you get that new mag in the gun one handed? (yes, I know how it can be done)
I would think that if I have a bullet in one arm but still have the presence of mind to get a mag in the gun, I'll probably have the presence of mind to snag the rear sight on something and PUSH. I believe that will release the slide.
LOL...I am going to agree with you about the arguing and cease and desist. Impossible to get my point across with some folks. And I don't have the hairs to spare to split them.

I never worry about reloading a mag after one goes dry. If I haven't solved the problem after 7-8 rounds (or even 5 rounds in a revolver), I am pretty much screwed. I don't worry about zombie hoards attacking me like some folks fear. We don't have them in my neighborhood.
I know how to get the mag in one-handed too. But I'm not going to describe it because it will just result in another round of "oh no, that way isn't approved by the owner's manual or Joe Blow the gun expert".

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I agree.

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I knew you knew.
I didn't state that because I assumed you knew I knew you knew.

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Maybe on an M&P there is that risk, but Glock states in their manual that you can either chamber a round by pulling back on the slide and releasing it, or using the slide release.
I find it a bit disturbing that you can't use the slide stop as a release. The Murphy Factor could come into play and you may not be able to use your free hand to pull back the slide. I want the option of using my firing hand to manipulate the slide release.
Adding one less problem is to do as I do and always carry my pistol with the round already in the chamber and all I need to do is pull the trigger!

It is simple as draw the weapon gets sights on target and then pull the trigger and bang!
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Adding one less problem is to do as I do and always carry my pistol with the round already in the chamber and all I need to do is pull the trigger!

It is simple as draw the weapon gets sights on target and then pull the trigger and bang!
We were talking about re-loading after the mag is empty. That's a different situation. I'm not real comfortable with a gun like the Glock and a round in the chamber all the time. The list of ADs is just too long and some of them were from experienced shooters. If I buy an M&P, I would get one with a manual safety.
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