Saw one in a store today. It was marked made in Germany. Is this pistol made by Walther or Umarex? I know Umarex owns Walther. But every Umarex gun I've owned was an absolute piece of junk. The Walther made pistols, however, are excellent. So who made this one?

they say carl walther on the side

The rollmark with the three crowns within the shield indicates Umarex. I think Walther's rollmark is a stag.

I've never had good luck with Umarex firearms either. I bought the S&W M&P 22 assuming it was a Walther. When cleaning it, I noticed the Umarex rollmark. At first, I was really upset about it.

My M&P 22 has fired 4 bricks of bulk ammo and 200 rounds of CCI Mini-Mag without issue, so I'm not that upset anymore. S&W claims that Walther manufacturers the M&P 22 to S&W's design & specification.

I guess that's the factor that makes this particular Umarex manufactured firearm different from the others, Umarex didn't design it.

I still hate Umarex with a passion.

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It also COULD BE that Walther manufatures the pistol and Umarex test fires them. They have been doing stuff like that in Germany for a while.

If there were a lot of problems with them I believe we would have heard about them by now. For me the biggest (only) gripe is only one mag with the gun and having to pay $35 each for mags. I have three now and I will make do with them.

IIRC Umarex owns Walther, or some such relationship.

So either name may apply.