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06-17-2012, 03:05 AM
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shield failure to fire update.
Earlier this week I reported I had 2 ftf. In 125 rds. I was using wwb. A lot suggested it may have been the ammo. So today I took the Shield. Shot 220 rds of federal champion 115 gr. And stoked to report zero failures.
+ this ammo was more reliable and more accurate then wwb. I also shot some of my carry ammo federal hst 124 gr + p
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06-17-2012, 03:37 AM
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I dont use WWB that much other than to test it out on a new firearm for the heck of it. My primary range ammo is Federal Champion and like you I have zero failures of any kind with 1000+ rounds through my Shield (with several other brands tried as well).
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06-17-2012, 03:44 AM
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I've also used speer lawman and that's been good as well
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06-17-2012, 03:46 AM
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I've put like 300 wwb through it, few boxes of the feds and a box of tulammo and it has eaten it all. Though I really liked the feds last time so I'll probably stick with those since they seem cleaner. Plus, wally's always sold out of the wwb.
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06-17-2012, 10:36 AM
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Walmart Federal Champion (I've been told there is a difference) always failed in my Nano. If you can shoot it in your Shield you have a good firearm.
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06-17-2012, 06:26 PM
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I think of WWB as the bottom of the bulk ammo at this point. You may go through a hundred packs of the stuff with no fails. But then you finally find one with the bullets all munged up and finally get what people are complaining about in that stuff. I haven't heard any complaints about Federal Champion or Speer Lawman other than the price. But I would never take any WWB to a competition, training, or any other event that I hadn't at least dumped out to at least glance at for boogers in the box.
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06-17-2012, 09:52 PM
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I ran Federal Champion through my Shield with no problems. My Shield also fed other brands with no FTF's - Black Hills, Blazer, Gold Dot and Federal Hydra-Shok. Very pleased that my Shield likes a wide variety of ammo and is not 'picky'.
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06-17-2012, 10:41 PM
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So if my Shield is picky I shouldn't trust it n return to glock
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06-17-2012, 10:45 PM
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I think is was ****** ammo, but why not have Both
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06-17-2012, 11:01 PM
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I do own many clocks but I specifically sold my g26 Gen 4 to buy the Shield.
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06-17-2012, 11:12 PM
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I used to have problems with Winchester but never any with Rem and Fed.
The Fed Champs had been consistent with 9mm and 40sw. They're my fav range rounds.
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There is no 100% reliable ammunition.
I have seen FTF on all sorts of "factory" premimum grade ammo. Primers come through with defects here and there also.
Condemning the weapon at this stage is really unfair and unrealistic. My best shooting buddy had a brand new box of Hornady .357 with 2 of the rounds that jumped crimp and jammed his 686 up.
Oh well **** happens. That is why we know how to clear misfires.
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06-18-2012, 01:00 AM
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So far, I've put 200 WWB rounds through my Shield without a hitch, but I do prefer Federal--Wally World only had the WWB though.
I just bought 4 boxes (100) of new Rem Golden Sabers (124gr) from a friend for $35, so I'll shoot 75 and report back. I normally carry Federal HST/Winchester Ranger due to the price/value of the 50rd boxes, but I had good experiences with the 102gr Golden Sabers in .380...so I'm fine carrying these until I get other stuff.
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06-18-2012, 01:02 AM
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I am no expert, but I have read that Federal rounds tend to have softer primers.
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06-18-2012, 06:40 AM
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Funny, apparently YMMV. I've never had a single failure to feed or fire with several thousand rounds of WWB through several different handguns.
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06-18-2012, 07:28 AM
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I do own many clocks but I specifically sold my g26 Gen 4 to buy the Shield.
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With that many clocks you shouldn't have any trouble knowing what time it is.On the other hand I can't believe a shield failed to shoot any kind of ammo.Heck all the reviews I have read on them report they are the best most reliable easiest to carry,easiest to shoot,the most accurate handgun ever made.So I just can't see them failing to be 100% reliable with any kind of ammo.
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06-18-2012, 12:00 PM
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Funny, apparently YMMV. I've never had a single failure to feed or fire with several thousand rounds of WWB through several different handguns.
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But have you fired WWB through a Shield? Maybe the Shield has a lighter firing pin and can't handle anything less than premium ammo reliably.
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06-18-2012, 03:34 PM
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But have you fired WWB through a Shield? Maybe the Shield has a lighter firing pin and can't handle anything less than premium ammo reliably.
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Nope, no Shield. M&P9C and M&P9FS, Beretta M92 FS, 3913 and 3913LS.
Firing pin/striker weight and velocity is always a balance. Add hammer weight and velocity in there and you can see why primer manufacturers must walk a tight rope between being too sensitive and not sensitive enough.
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I don't buy Federal from Wal-mart, as I have had issues in Beretta 92s. Others at the Beretta Forum reported the same thing. Quit using it and went to other ammo. NEVER another problem.
I've put about 650 rounds of WWB thru my shield (I have 1045 rounds thru my Shield). Nary a problem.
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06-18-2012, 09:01 PM
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I bought 300 rds today to go shoot my Shield. 200 federal and 1000 wwb curious to see if I have problems again with wwb. Or last box was just a bad. Box. I don't think it was the actual gun customer it's been impressive besides. Those two stops. Even the trigger feels broken in
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06-18-2012, 09:19 PM
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Send me all your FTF's and I'll see if they work in my 3913.....
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06-18-2012, 10:25 PM
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Maybe I have expensive tastes, but my ammo of choice is CCI Blazer Brass. My guns eat it well and I'm satisfied with the cost.
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06-18-2012, 11:39 PM
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Since when is blazer brass hi end stuff? I think spree law man is better than blazer .
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Since when is blazer brass hi end stuff? I think spree law man is better than blazer .
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I'm not suggesting it's high-end stuff. But when people in this forum discuss what they shoot for practice, it never seems to get mentioned. As for something better than Blazer, this I don't know because my M&P9 has never malfunctioned on the Blazer. Therefore, there is no room for improvement with my gun.
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Actually Idk yet. I shot another box of fed champions today and they left a lot of powder on my arm. The wwb I don't remember them doing that. I haven't' had any problems yet. My shield is def not picky. brass, steel, nickel. YUM it likes it all.
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06-20-2012, 02:21 AM
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100 rds of wwb today zero failures. Along with 100 federal champion. All zero failures. I agree federal does leave powder on thee arms n wrist forearm area. As for the wwb I guess the 2 previous ftf were just a bad box its no big deal now.
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06-20-2012, 09:10 AM
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But have you fired WWB through a Shield? Maybe the Shield has a lighter firing pin and can't handle anything less than premium ammo reliably.
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I have been using nothing but manufacture reloads, had 2 FTF that is with about 1K. I would not consider the Shield picky at all, not when you consider how many reports with NO FTFs.
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06-20-2012, 10:49 AM
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I have been using nothing but manufacture reloads, had 2 FTF that is with about 1K. I would not consider the Shield picky at all, not when you consider how many reports with NO FTFs.
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Whose reloads are you using? I buy a lot of reloads myself, so far with zero failures (knock on wood). I use factory Gold Dots for carrying, but send reloads down range most of the time. Once I get 3,000 casings I will start rolling my own.
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06-20-2012, 05:54 PM
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I put another 250 rds today w no issues. And I keep getting better w my Shield. Don't think I even need apex job. Just some sights. I'm loving my Shield. Best subcompact gun in the world
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06-22-2012, 09:08 AM
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I had a ftf on my sheild, round 20 or so.
Remington in green box, 9mm.
Hmmm...
Light strike on Primer. Reloaded that shell in middle of magazine. Ftf'd again. Threw it away.
Hundreds of rounds later, same and different brands of ammo, not one issue.
So, is it the gun, or the ammo?
I don't know, and I don't really care. Nothing man made is perfect.
Hell, nothing nature made is perfect either, now that I think of it....
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06-22-2012, 01:24 PM
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I think its the ammo. The gun gets better w more rda
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Touche sir.....arguably the best small auto Smith has ever produced.
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Shield vs small auto
All they have to beat is the Escort.
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09-19-2012, 06:58 AM
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I practice with Speer Lawman in my Taurus 740 Slim in 165gr and have yet to have not one bad round.Speer Lawman has been a very reliable and clean ammo for me.I usually order it from ammunition to go.Thinking of trying some Georgia Arms ammo for practice ammo now to save a few dollars.
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A new gun will require both the shooter and the firearm to break in together. Your Shield, as with all firearms, will fire most anything if you do your job and break them in. I check our "dud" can every time I go to the range to work. I have seen a small amount of everything from every manufacturer with dented primers in that can. Most of it is LE issued loads shot out of Glocks. On the .22 side it is usually full of Remington.
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I was at a steel match last weekend and a guy was shooting wwb through a glock and was having a real bad time with ftf . He would shoot 3-4 rounds and his glock would not fire and lock up. After beating his action open we found the round stuck in the lands and had to drive it out with a brass rod. After this happened a half dozen times they declared his gun unsafe and dq him. That’s when I noticed that each round came out of the gun with the primer leading the way. Picked one up and saw that it was fired. So I asked to see one of the rounds and noticed that there was no primer hole punched in the case all the miss fired rounds were the same. So….. no wwb for me ever!
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I guess I've been lucky. I usually use WWB and Federal with all of my firearms including the Shield, all bought at walmart and never had a problem. Magtech is the only other ammo I use regularly and on occation I've used the cheap Blazers. Zero FTF from my Shield or my SD9. They may be poor quality ammo but my S&W's can't tell making me one happy camper.
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Never really had a problem with WWB, I do like their brass for reloading.
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I ran another 100 rounds of WWB through my Shield 9mm this past Monday without any glitches.
My Shield has just over 400 rounds through it without any problems.
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Just to report I have about 900-1000 rounds of Walmart Federal and 50 rounds of Atlanta Arms through my Shield with no issues. I have about 200 rounds of wwb from walmart with 8 failures. One fail to fire and the rest ejection issues. I have no faith in the wwb ammo anymore.
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Walmart was out of the WWB last time I went to buy ammo; so I decided to try the wally federal 40. other than a couple bucks more $ per 100, I like it. My shield ate all of it I fed it, and some ranger ra40t I decided to shoot, to see if it would run properly. no problems.
BUT as GnarlyTwoTrack said above, there was a TON of powder on my arms/hands. almost enough to change my skin color, lol. next time, Ill wear an old long sleeve t-shirt.
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