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Old 06-21-2012, 08:13 PM
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Default M&P 9mm to .22 conversion kit?

does any one know if such a thing exists? A kit to make the 9mm a .22? I know they make a .22 but I figure a kit would be cheaper.. I dunno.. or even a 9mm to 40 or 45 cal conversion kit, basically what, if any, conversion options are there for the 9mm M&P? thanks in advance!
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I once read a little blurb that Apex mught be working on a 9 to .22 kit, but it is not a sure thing yet. As for the M&P22, it is built on a Walther chasis, rather than a Smith design.....
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thanks for the quick reply and info, anything about a 40 or 45 kit?
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If I am not mistaken you can drop in 9m or .357 factory barrel in .40 ( 9m barrel also requires magazine). Don't think you can go increasing caliber route, though.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:27 PM
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Makes sense, thanks for the reply!
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Now that the M&P22 is on the market (and has been so well received), I doubt there is a 22 conversion kit on the way. The M&P22 is only about $379.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:36 AM
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I disagree. I think that the M&P22 is a fine gun but it does not match up to a .22 conversion when it comes to low cost practice. A conversion kit would allow you to use your 9mm/40 M&P trigger system versus the dissimilar trigger system of the M&P22. For now the M&P22 is a good option, but I still expect to see (and own) a .22 conversion in the near future.

I am pretty sure that blurb about Apex Tactical Specialties came from the business itself. And so far everything else they said was upcoming has eventually made it to market. Fingers crossed.
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I just got back from shooting my M&P22. It is a hoot for sure. My son (10 year old) loves the M&P22. I asked for his favorite gun run-down and he said they are
#1. M&P15/22
#2. M&P22
#3. M&P9c

When you buy the 9, you are stuck with a 9, unlike buying the .40 and converting to .357 or 9mm with a $60 barrel swap. But hey, nothing wrong with the 9!

For .22 pistols, I just don't find the M&P22 real accurate. I need to get on a rest and see if I can get the sights adjusted to POA and then see how it patterns. I swapped on a standard M&P rear sight and it shoots too low, which we compensate for now by holding the front dot on the target instead of below it. But if I carefully pattern the gun I will be able to see if a new set of sights is worth it. My first couple hundred rounds is telling me the gun just isn't as accurate as my other .22 pistols.

But that doesn't take away from the fun factor. The magazines are easy to load and hold 12 rounds. The gun is easy to handle and eats through shells quickly. It's easy to clean. It's a good gun all around.
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I disagree. I think that the M&P22 is a fine gun but it does not match up to a .22 conversion when it comes to low cost practice. A conversion kit would allow you to use your 9mm/40 M&P trigger system versus the dissimilar trigger system of the M&P22. For now the M&P22 is a good option, but I still expect to see (and own) a .22 conversion in the near future.

I am pretty sure that blurb about Apex Tactical Specialties came from the business itself. And so far everything else they said was upcoming has eventually made it to market. Fingers crossed.

I'd agree with this. I have only handled the M&P 22 a minimal amount, but would love to have a conversion kit. I have 2 Advantage Arms kits for my Glocks and would love to have such a kit for the M&P9C I just purchased, as it would allow me to shoot using the same lower (trigger/no safety,same backstrap, etc) much cheaper.

A dedicated 22 pistol would have been fine, but there are too many differences in the M&P22 and the other M&P's in my opinion.

The AA kits run fine on my Glocks, and I'm sure Apex would only release a quality product as well.

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The current M&P22 is okay but comparing it to a real S&W M&P is almost like comparing a real M&P to an Air-Soft version. Sure they look alike but that's about it. I would rather spend the $375 on a conversion and be shooting the real deal only in .22lr.
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I'd buy a 22 conversion kit if it worked. I've had some trouble with light strikes from the M&P 22.

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I've never understood the huge draw to conversion kits. I get the desire to shoot on the cheap and I get the desire to get trigger time in with a given trigger. But recoil is so vastly different that I don't know how much is gained in the process. I'd rather spend $400 on either reloading equipment/components or bulk factory ammo and shoot the gun as intended than to fake it with a .22lr.

And that's not to take anything away from the .22lr. It's my favorite and most shot round but be it in an AR conversion or a pistol conversion I've never found the trigger time to do anything more for me than dry firing would do. I own a couple of the M&P 15-22 rifles but they are not as trainers and are used for the values they hold on their own. Absolute blast but realistically only good for control manipulation drills and that's about it. Pistol conversions fit the same way for me. Good for control manipulation but that's about it, from a training point of view.

It would be very interesting to see a person run a given course timed, practice with 1000 rounds of .22lr through a conversion on some firearm, then run the course with full power loads and see what the difference in time would be from before and after the rimfire training. Then run 1000 rounds of full power loads on the course and time themselves again at the end. If we could get a bit of data to show a conversion made a difference in actual times/skill/ability I'd be much more open to the idea of using one for a trainer. Until then (and my broke self can't afford to fund that test) I'm going to be a little hesitant on a conversion rather than buying a from the ground up designed rimfire pistol.
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I've never understood the huge draw to conversion kits. I get the desire to shoot on the cheap and I get the desire to get trigger time in with a given trigger. But recoil is so vastly different that I don't know how much is gained in the process. I'd rather spend $400 on either reloading equipment/components or bulk factory ammo and shoot the gun as intended than to fake it with a .22lr.

And that's not to take anything away from the .22lr. It's my favorite and most shot round but be it in an AR conversion or a pistol conversion I've never found the trigger time to do anything more for me than dry firing would do. I own a couple of the M&P 15-22 rifles but they are not as trainers and are used for the values they hold on their own. Absolute blast but realistically only good for control manipulation drills and that's about it. Pistol conversions fit the same way for me. Good for control manipulation but that's about it, from a training point of view.

It would be very interesting to see a person run a given course timed, practice with 1000 rounds of .22lr through a conversion on some firearm, then run the course with full power loads and see what the difference in time would be from before and after the rimfire training. Then run 1000 rounds of full power loads on the course and time themselves again at the end. If we could get a bit of data to show a conversion made a difference in actual times/skill/ability I'd be much more open to the idea of using one for a trainer. Until then (and my broke self can't afford to fund that test) I'm going to be a little hesitant on a conversion rather than buying a from the ground up designed rimfire pistol.
In bullseye shooting conversion kits from Marvel are used on 1911's all the time, the matches consist of mostly of .22 and .45 fire at the same targets and ranges and times. Many prefer conversion kits so the grips and triggers don't change between rounds. The same fundamentals of sight alignment trigger control and grip apply to both. The Military has also used .22 for training for larger calibers. It works.
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In bullseye shooting conversion kits from Marvel are used on 1911's all the time, the matches consist of mostly of .22 and .45 fire at the same targets and ranges and times. Many prefer conversion kits so the grips and triggers don't change between rounds. The same fundamentals of sight alignment trigger control and grip apply to both. The Military has also used .22 for training for larger calibers. It works.
How many m&p's are on the bullseye line? How many rimfire trainers are still in use in the military today?
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There are none on the BE line. And not being in the military I don't know how they train today. What's your point? Mine simply is practice with a .22 allows one to build basic marksmanship skills that transfer over to larger calibers especially on the same platform.
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A little update on Apex conversion kit: they are in fact working on one, but they don't now when it will be out, no price announced either. They are hoping to show a prototype at SHOT or other industry shows. If anybody s still interested.
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Thanks for the update, I am still very interested!!
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I swapped on a standard M&P rear sight and it shoots too low, which we compensate for now by holding the front dot on the target instead of below it. But if I carefully pattern the gun I will be able to see if a new set of sights is worth it.
All of my M&Ps shoot "low" if you attempt to line the sights up. Front dot will appear smaller than the back dots, you need to line the front dot up towards the top of the back dots. This is actually lined up, attempting to put the front dot level with the back dots will shoot low cause you're aiming low. This is a bit of an optical illusion, I could draw an explanation of this better than I can explain it.

Line front dot up top of rear dots you will hit POA. Remember 99% of the time when a gun is "in accurate", it's the shooter who is at error, not the gun. Unless something major is wrong most modern semi autos are inherently VERY accurate. This is true for S&W, Glock, Springfield, Kimber, Berretta, H&K, Sig, Kahr, etc....
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A little update on Apex conversion kit: they are in fact working on one, but they don't now when it will be out, no price announced either. They are hoping to show a prototype at SHOT or other industry shows. If anybody s still interested.
SHOT is coming up. Any word on the development of a .22 conversion for the M&P?
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