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Old 08-25-2012, 08:38 PM
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Hey guys. New to these forums. I just wanted to let everyone know what im gonna be packing soon.

Got me a new sheild.

Michael Kole holster on the way.

Hogue Jr rubber grips.

Apex trigger job bringing it to a 3.9 lb trigger pull.

Tru Glo sights on the way.

Im very happy with this gun. Its a beast. I carry the M&P 40 every day for work and now I will carry the shield every day off duty. I will post pics when I get it all done.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:37 PM
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Nice choice, in S&W. Aim straight!

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Old 08-25-2012, 11:56 PM
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Apex trigger job bringing it to a 3.9 lb trigger pull on a CCW pistol?

Ouch!
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:15 AM
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A beast?
Compared to other Light Weight Subcompacts I've owned and shot, mine's a Sweetheart.
No thanks on the 3.9Lb trigger job. I also prefer a heavier trigger on a CC pistol than what you're wanting, but if you're happy, that's what counts.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:53 PM
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I put the Apex hard sear in my Shield and then took it back out for the same reason. The trigger was very light and good but too light for a carry gun. A little polishing and a couple hundred rounds got mine just where I wanted it with the original sear. The Apex striker block is worth the effort, however. It took all the grittyness out of the trigger and smoothed things out a lot.
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:33 PM
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I'd like to see pics of the Tru Glo after installation. Are they larger than the factory sights? All the pictures I've seen so far indicate they are.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:30 PM
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Don't know about the 3.9 lb. trigger....but everything else is a thumbs up....JMO.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:41 PM
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Factory pull is 6.5 pounds...most claim closer to 7 pounds...

For a CC trigger pull, I hope for your sake you are never involved in a shooting, because any lawyer worth his salt will portray you as looking for an excuse to shoot someone and even installing a "hair trigger" on your own gun...

Stay safe, my friend!
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:09 PM
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Apex says the shield carry kit puts the trigger pull in mid 5 range. Not sure where the 3.9 is coming from.

I highly doubt the weight of the trigger pull would ever have any impact on a trial. I doubt anyone would ever even know unless you told them.... any documented cases of this ever being an issue?
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motomed,
If you put the whole kit in the Shield with the springs and so forth, they claim the pull will be around 5 1/2 pounds. If you only put the hard sear in the gun it comes closer to 4 pounds.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:57 PM
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If you put the whole kit in the Shield with the springs and so forth, they claim the pull will be around 5 1/2 pounds. If you only put the hard sear in the gun it comes closer to 4 pounds.
gotcha, thanks, have the kit on order, the whole thing will be going in!
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:57 AM
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I put the Apex hard sear in my Shield and then took it back out for the same reason. The trigger was very light and good but too light for a carry gun. A little polishing and a couple hundred rounds got mine just where I wanted it with the original sear. The Apex striker block is worth the effort, however. It took all the grittyness out of the trigger and smoothed things out a lot.
I did the same to my M&P 9 Full and 9C (Apex sears, springs and USB) but remove the Apex sear on the 9C because the trigger was too light for EDC just did a good polishing on the back of the stock sear and now is perfect.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:59 PM
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In my Shield 40, I installed only the Apex sear and striker blocker. Per Apex if you buy their carry/duty kit, it comes with a stronger sear spring and stronger trigger spring, for a 5-6 pound pull. If you keep the stock Shield springs the pull would be 4-5 pounds.

I've got two different trigger pull weight scales. My stock Shield pull was 6 lbs 9 oz. I kept the stock Shield springs and my pull is now 4 lbs 4 oz. That is exactly where I wanted it. The break is all the way back and there is 3/8 inch take up until I start the sear pull. The sear pull is 1/8 inch with 1/32 inch of over travel. The reset from full over travel is 3/32. My trigger pull from start of sear pull to the over travel stop is half that of the stock Shield. A 4 pound pull is not unsafe, especially with 1/2 inch pull to break.

I keep reading that a carry gun needs a strong (heavy) trigger pull and a long pull. I think that is incorrect. A 4 pound trigger is not a "hair trigger". If you practice with the gun, you better know the trigger pull. I am talking about someone that follows all safe gun handling rules. Especially the finger off the trigger until sure of target and ready to fire.

I have a Ruger LC9. It has a 1 inch trigger pull at 8 pounds. It is no safer than my Shield. Because of the long heavy trigger pull, it is harder to get consistent groupings. I practice with the LC9, but can not get close grouping firing under rapid firing SD training. However I can with my Shield. If the LC9 had a similar trigger action as my Shield, I would bet the groupings would be similar. The LC9's so called safe CC trigger (50 state certified) is just bad.

So now you have to actually use the gun in a SD situation. I think you would rather be holding a gun that you know you can shoot better. My modified Shield trigger is better than the stock Shield trigger so you know which one I shoot better. Please don't say in a SD situation accuracy is not important. If that is correct why do you take your SD weapon to the range? For inaccuracy practice?

Did I open a can of worms with this post?

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Old 08-30-2012, 09:26 PM
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I think worrying about the trigger weight is urban myth.

The apex trigger actually made me much more accurate with the Shield.
I would worry more about being accurate and surviving a gun fight than some obscure prosecutor's portrayal of me as a gunslinger.

If you want to spin that angle, then one could argue that as a responsible gun owner, I invested time and money in training and improving my gun to make it as safe and as accurate as possible.

What's the difference between carrying a shield with a trigger job and a safety and say a 1911 with a crisp trigger cocked and locked?

To the OP. Congrats on the Shield. I have pretty much the same mods and I love it as a daily carry.

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Old 09-01-2012, 08:18 AM
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a justifiable shooting is justifiable regardless of trigger weight. An unjustifiable shooting is still unjustifiable regardless of trigger weight. A negligent discharge because of faulty gunsmithing is a totally different story.
Before anyone chooses to argue the point - please provide any example where someone was convicted in a justifiable shooting soley on the fact that the weapon had a light trigger.
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Old 09-01-2012, 09:26 AM
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WGSNewnan19 nailed it IMHO. If your in the right then it's not a issue. If you shoot somone by mistake then you could try to use the trigger as a defence but it's not going to work.
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Old 09-01-2012, 09:47 PM
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Shootings aside, IMHO the Apex sear was just too light to my liking on a carry gun. I have light triggers on some of my 1911's but that is a different story.
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Sweet little set up. I'm still saving my pennies for a Sheild but I do use the Apex RAM in my 9c and love the rather positive reset it provides.
I don't think I'd go under 5lb for CCW because I'm paranoid I'll end up with some shirt tucked in to my holster but even then I don't know if that would help. But I like the peace of mind

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After handling a Shield, I put my name on a waiting list to buy two.
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I don't think grips, sights and a trigger job is all modded out....

I like a heavy trigger on a carry gun, light trigger on a target gun. I haven't been in a civilian gun fight, but I can tell you when the bullets start flying your finger is going to be twitchy and shaking on that trigger. If the Army had 3 pound triggers on M-16's half the guys in my unit would be dead from friendly fire. And that's what I'm afraid of in the civilian world too.
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A good trigger is what you are used to. If you practice with a 5 pound pull, then 3 ½ or 7 ½ pounds is going to throw you off. I have an old model 60 ss 5 shot snub. I could shoot it fairly well (haven't used it in years). It had a 13 pound trigger pull for the first 1/2 inch of pull. Then the pull went down to 5 1/2 pounds at the break point. Since I practiced with it, I would pre pull the trigger to near break point, and squeeze the last remaining pull to break. Single action was 3 1/2 pounds. It was a bad double action trigger, but with practice I was accurate with it.

With my Shield, I practice flicking the safety off, with my thumb, as I draw the gun. Because I practice with using the safety, I always carry with the safety on. So the 4 pound pull is not dangerous, as the safety is always on, until I am ready to fire. Since I practice with this 4 pound trigger pull, I am accurate and consistent with it.

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