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Not sure about the new XDs, but my ancient XD40 runs like a top. Its a beater but has served well. I switched to the M&P because I like the manual safety and the lines/ergos are much better IMHO.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:22 AM
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Please Springfield fans explain to me where is the $150 - $200 hiding in the XDs over the Shield?

I have handled an XDs and studied the build and I honestly can't find the extra $150 - $200 in the build. I'll give Springfield maybe $50 extra for the case and accessories (replacement grips, molded holster, fiber optic sight) but for the life of me I can't see $150 - $200 over the Shield.


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Old 11-20-2012, 12:05 PM
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Interesting thread I started here. My comparison between the XDs and the Shield was based on the fact that they are so close in size. There are a lot of choices out there when it comes to small 9mm/40 calibre pistols, not so many in 45acp. S&W did a great job with the Shield and it's sales reflect it's popularity. They priced it relatively low which made it even more appealing, cudos to S&W.
What is appealing to many of us with the XDs is the fact that it's a 45 in the same size package. It's a well made quality pistol that is well designed and executed. I find it to be comfortable to shoot and very accurate, and I wouldn't be a bit suprised if S&W follows with a micro 45 in the near future.
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Please Springfield fans explain to me where is the $150 - $200 hiding in the XDs over the Shield?

I have handled an XDs and studied the build and I honestly can't find the extra $150 - $200 in the build. I'll give Springfield maybe $50 extra for the case and accessories (replacement grips, molded holster, fiber optic sight) but for the life of me I can't see $150 - $200 over the Shield.


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Thats the # 1 reason why I didnt pick up the xds and waited for my shield. Im not paying 150 more for a case and holsters i'll never use!
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Please Springfield fans explain to me where is the $150 - $200 hiding in the XDs over the Shield?

I have handled an XDs and studied the build and I honestly can't find the extra $150 - $200 in the build. I'll give Springfield maybe $50 extra for the case and accessories (replacement grips, molded holster, fiber optic sight) but for the life of me I can't see $150 - $200 over the Shield.


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$150 is not a huge difference in price. I own both the shield and XDS and I can tell you without bias, that the XDS is a nicer gun. (And I consider myself an M&P fanboy)

The overall construction is nicer and more robust. Obviously to handle the .45 cartridge. It also has a loaded chamber indicator and grip safety. (may not be a plus to you, but it is added cost) Personally, I appreciate the features. Add in the fiber optic front sight, also all the stuff they throw in the case. Granted, I don't use any of it, lol, but for someone just starting out, they could utilize all of it. The magazines are nicer as well.

The slide on the XDS is beefier and has a slightly nicer finish IMO. Also, the grip is very aggressive from the factory where as on the shield you will see many people adding a grip sleeve or stippling to it. The XDS has interchangeable back straps to customize it to your hand size. The Shield is fixed.

The XDS trigger is also better out of the box IMO. I now have an APEX DCAEK ($80) in my shield and the PRP spring kit ($15) in my XDS. The XDS still has a more precise trigger feel with a crazy nice reset.

If I add the price of the APEX trigger, plus the new sights and time put in to stipple the grip, just to bring the shield up to snuff with my XDS, I'd say the investment is pretty equal.

So I can easily account for the price difference in my mind. Sometimes I want to carry light and thin, and I take the shield. Sometimes I want 230grain JHP. Depends how I feel that day.

I will say that the XDS is super accurate. I'm talking Tack Driver! I'm pretty dam accurate with the shield as well, but the XDS is just dead on.

But for the fan boys...I did let Costa shoot my shield lol. He shot it very well.

Costa trying out the APEX trigger on my M&P 9 SHIELD - YouTube

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:34 AM
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I understand everything youre saying but stock for stock, i think the shield is a much better value. But I will say that the shields stock trigger must be atleast 8 pounds! I havent shot the xds but dry firing the trigger is definitely nicer.
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I understand everything youre saying but stock for stock, i think the shield is a much better value. But I will say that the shields stock trigger must be atleast 8 pounds! I havent shot the xds but dry firing the trigger is definitely nicer.
These last couple posts are the first I have heard that the XDs has a better trigger. It has always been posted the opposite. The 30 minute XDs youtube review by hickok45, a diehard 45 man, noted at 9:16 in the review that while the XDs has an "O.K trigger", no comparison to the Shields excellent "Dream trigger" (his words).

The things that made the XDs appealing to me were the fiber optic sights, grip safety, and somewhat appealing the 45 caliber round as well as always instantly available at any gun shop, online store or gunshow.

There are mixed views on which is the best most powerful carry round, 180gr 40 S&W or the 230gr 45ACP, with most modern tests giving the edge to the 40 S&W with it's higher velocity. It's what the feds switched to after testing all choices. Doesn't need debated here, but plays a role in if a buyer is looking at the XDs or a Shield.

The downside to the XDs was the XDs owners complaining about all the various issues in the XD dedicated forums, which by comparison to the type of Shield posts here, makes the Shield seem like the most perfect gun ever made. Ton's of problems, many very serious, and not simply one flaw like the 40 shield had with dropping mags (which S&W had fixed in only 4 days, shipping both ways on their dime). Other downside was an XDs price that was more than 30% higher (even more if you prefer the two-tone model, which I did). Next was the 45 round, since I already committed to the 40 S&W and have 3 in that caliber, why downgrade to 45? (when I want fatter lead with even higher velocity, I'll shoot the 500 S&W). I also prefer the choice in a pocket carry weapon of an external thumb activated safety, which the XDs lacks, and is great during initial pocket carry use until you get comfortable enough to run with safety off. Another thing that to me looked bad was the XDs grips with large course checkering, making it seem like a cheap plastic part. In the Hickok45 review, he stated the talon grips will be installed by him. Final downside was a huge one. Country of origin. If all else is fairly equal, then country of origin in the USA always wins out, and even tilts the scales a little toward USA if not quite equal.

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Old 11-21-2012, 09:46 AM
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Theres a reason why I chose to buy my first pistols from s&w. Lets keep the money in America! It's also why I spend a little extra dime and buy from the local LGS whenever possible. The only good thing from Croatia are mail order brides (i jk, i think.)
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:09 AM
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I paid $341 for my Shield and $548 for my XDs, but then spent another $300 on the Shield. Sent if off to Robar for their NP3 finish and had them install XS Big Dot sights so that ate up any cost savings. My XDs already had a stainless slide that looks like stainless and something I wish Smith would offer. After all stainless is stainless so why Melonite it. S&W pioneered stainless steel handguns in the 60s and just about all their Gen 3 semiautos had that stainless look that I prefer. So I would be happy if S&W at least offered a stainless looking slide as an option.
As to rumors of the XDs grip safety not depressing if not gripped properly I call horsefeathers. The grip safety depresses easily and naturally once the pistol is held. You be hardpressed to hold the XDs and not depress the grip safety.
So now my Shield is set up closer to the appearance my XDs I have $641 in it. Hmmm kind of makes the Springfield now look like a bargain. I forgot to add the Talon grips for another $15, which by the way are worth the money.
In closing I now have 2 great carry pieces and the comparison between the two is valid. They are both cutting edge technology and worthy additions to my meager collection. And I still think S&W will follow suite with a Shield 45 next year. If they think the demand is there they will build one.
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I've owned a Shield, and now own an XDs. I paid $525 otd for the Springfield, and about $410 for the Shield. I definitely prefer the XDs.

Do I think it's worth the extra $115? I'd say the Springfield definitely feels more expensive in terms of build quality. I also like the sights and trigger better. The Shield had a good trigger, too, but I just prefer how the XDS breaks. It seems like a crisper and cleaner break imo. The extras are debatable. If it came in a cardboard box with just the extra mag and was cheaper, I wouldn't lose any sleep. If I would've kept the Shield I would have definitely invested into some Apex parts (I was this close) as well as some other sights. That alone would've put me over the cost of the XDs, figuring $90 on the trigger, and about the same+ on the sights.

Stock for stock, they're both great. If you're going to leave them alone and looking for the best value, I'd recommend the Shield. If you're looking for the better gun and not worried about a Benjamin, I'd say the XDs wins and that's having owned them both.
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I paid $341 for my Shield and $548 for my XDs, but then spent another $300 on the Shield. Sent if off to Robar for their NP3 finish and had them install XS Big Dot sights so that ate up any cost savings. My XDs already had a stainless slide that looks like stainless and something I wish Smith would offer. After all stainless is stainless so why Melonite it. S&W pioneered stainless steel handguns in the 60s and just about all their Gen 3 semiautos had that stainless look that I prefer. So I would be happy if S&W at least offered a stainless looking slide as an option.
As to rumors of the XDs grip safety not depressing if not gripped properly I call horsefeathers. The grip safety depresses easily and naturally once the pistol is held. You be hardpressed to hold the XDs and not depress the grip safety.
So now my Shield is set up closer to the appearance my XDs I have $641 in it. Hmmm kind of makes the Springfield now look like a bargain. I forgot to add the Talon grips for another $15, which by the way are worth the money.
In closing I now have 2 great carry pieces and the comparison between the two is valid. They are both cutting edge technology and worthy additions to my meager collection. And I still think S&W will follow suite with a Shield 45 next year. If they think the demand is there they will build one.
Its only a better buy in your eyes because you voluntarily decided to spend 300 dollars on certain items. Both guns are combat effective in stock trim. It's still clear that the shield is a better bargain vs the xds in stock form
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:59 PM
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Its only a better buy in your eyes because you voluntarily decided to spend 300 dollars on certain items. Both guns are combat effective in stock trim. It's still clear that the shield is a better bargain vs the xds in stock form

True I did voluntarily spend $300 to upgrade my Shield, and I have NP3'd all my M&Ps. The XDs though more expensive did not in my eyes need upgrading so to me the Springfield was the true bargain. Out of the box most people will be happy with their Shields, many here though will upgrade their pistols with better sights, trigger and finish enhancements.
Those on a tight budget will be well served with a stock Shield and I applaud S&W for skipping a few bells and whistles that the rest of the M&P line has but kicks the price up. Price wise the Shield is a bargain and in that light the XDs should be compared to the more optioned out but larger M&Ps. My initial reason for comparison was solely based on size as both pistols are nearly identical.
I still anxiously await and hope S&W comes out with a Shield 45, option it out like a larger M&P with those changeable backstraps and ambi controls and then do another comparison. Here's hoping.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:06 AM
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Well all the rigor ma row on here... I am huge S&W fan and usually all I buy. I been waiting for a Shield for months and then looked at the XDS. Realy liked the XDS so I bought it. Love it so far. When the Shield comes in I will buy that one also...problem solved!!
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We think alike, buy both.
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Shield in both calibers, XDs in .45, between them you have 3 winners. Buy one (or 2 or all 3 if you like) for carry and call it a day!

The only argument to be had here is, where the hell is Glock in all of this? Gaston needs to transfer decision making to someone younger and more open minded.
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I don't have one and I haven't seen one, But I definitely will take a good look when one shows up. I am skeptical about comparing it to the Shield because it is 2.5 ounces heavier. That is starting to approach the weight of some higher capacity guns. Marginal for the pocket but doable. A five round magazine is also a significant trade off. I think you have to be a 45cal guy to want one, but then again my collector mentality kicks in and I may buy one anyway.
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Shield in both calibers, XDs in .45, between them you have 3 winners. Buy one (or 2 or all 3 if you like) for carry and call it a day!

The only argument to be had here is, where the hell is Glock in all of this? Gaston needs to transfer decision making to someone younger and more open minded.
Pretty sure their company priority is leo/mil. I doubt we will see a slim single stack 9 coming from glock anytime soon.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:34 PM
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I own a 45 full size XD and the Shield so I am not bashing the Springfield.

I still think the 5+1 XDs vs the 7+1 Shield 9mm is a game changer for a ccw.

When speed is the difference in a gun fight it seems to me the more rounds down range the greater the chance of walking away and 2 extra rounds for the Shield 9mm in the same size package as the XDs and what appears to be a more reliable ccw in the Shield from countless observations via internet makes the extra $150 - $200 for the XDs a difficult sale in my consumer best value mindset.

We can all argue quality all day long between the Shield and XDS and we will accomplish nothing.

The fact is you give up 2 rounds to pack a 45 caliber XDs over the Shield 9mm and for me even if both firearms where equal in reliability (which is a big "IF") the XDs is in the round capacity arena with revolvers which leads me to question why anyone would pack a semi auto for personal protection over a more reliable revolver if round count is equal?

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I bought a used 2 tone XDS a few weeks ago and did some reviews and comparisons to my Shield in 9mm. The two are basically the same size. The XDS does not have nearly as much recoil as most would think. IMO, there is no need for an extension and it popped back on target every shot.

It's also very ergonomic. I actually put the smaller back strap on even though I wear XL gloves. IMO, it's more about the grip angle change than the front to back length of the grip. The trigger is also very Glock like, but better. I actually liked it quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, with the Apex sear and my DIY polish job on the striker, the Shields trigger is fantastic and the recoil is mild to say the least.

I've had zero problems with it shooting HST 230gr., PDX-1 230gr. and several brands of ball ammo. IMO, it's a winner for SA. You loose two shots over a 9mm Shield but that won't matter once SA introduces the 9mm and 40S&W versions of the XDS....and they will since the back of the supplied holster says so.


I said before that the Shield was a permanent EDC, but that's before I shot them both twice side by side and realized how nice a small/slim 45acp could be. I picked up the XDS for $400 which is only $50 more than I bought my used 9mm Shield for so the price difference wasn't an issue.

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Top trainers don't particularly care for the XD line due to issues that plague them more often than the M&P line. Looks and feel isn't everything. Reliability and longevity is.
I consider myself to be a "Top Trainer" whatever that means. Please speak for yourself as only your opinion is real. CNN and FOX make blanket statements with nothing to back them up... as a shooter, why must you be part of that. As Sergent Friday used to say... "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
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Your logic is irrefutable! I did it and have no regrets. You deserve both. ENJOY.
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Top trainers don't particularly care for the XD line due to issues that plague them more often than the M&P line. Looks and feel isn't everything. Reliability and longevity is.
Since you know that these "top trainers" don't like them...

you wanna name them, or is that top secret?

Is one of these "top trainers" James Yeager?

More internet rhetoric.
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500 rds through my XDs with no problems of any kinds.

Ammo used to date.......

150 Winchester Ranger 230gr
75 185 +P Remington Golden Sabre
100 rds 230gr American Eagle
50 rds of Federal 230gr Hydro Shok
50 rds of Cor-Bon Power Ball
75 rds of 185 Hornady FTX

Out of all the ammo fired,the FTX is the most accurate and pleasant to shoot.
Worst accuracy came from the Cor-Bon,

As far as the Shield,the gun shop I work in has only received 4 since their introduction

A bird in the hand,is worth 2 in the bush.
I"ll stick with the XDs until I get a chance to shoot a Shield.

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The initial reason I went with Shield over the XDs was that Id be payiing 150 more for holsters I'd never use. Ever.
This is similar to why I ended up leaving with a XDs9 when I intended to buy a shield, I already own the XDs45 and several holsters (other than the factory one).
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Well after trying a couple of XDs9's I picked one with a nice trigger about a month ago and couldn't be happier. I discovered not all triggers in the same new handguns are alike. My M&P's had to have Apex parts for me to shoot them well. I bought an XDm9 3.8 first and have 900 plus rounds thru it with zero failures. This is is what led me to the XDs9. I now have 1,625 failure free rounds thru this one and I've shot it sideways, upside down, one hand dominant hand, one hand off hand and limp wristed. My wife shoots it as well. Never a problem, easy to conceal and 100% dependable and very accurate out to 45 feet for me. Triggers in both just keep getting smoother. I have not tried a Shield with the newer triggers but I will. I really wanted to stay with the M&P line exclusively but couldn't after shooting the XDm. If S&W has truly changed their triggers on the line up please let me know as a .40 shield is my likely next purchase if this is the case. Thanks
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I had both the Shield 40 and the xds 9mm, and I opted for the shield. I did not get to shoot the xds, I figured it would be easier to sell for what I purchased it for if I didnt shoot it, but the shield just felt a lot more comfortable in my hand. Changing the backstrap on the xds was a pain for sure, and was a little more comfortable with the smaller backstrap, but the gun just felt too square for me. The shield trigger is really nice, has a crisp break and reset, but I prefer the trigger on the xds. Its more predictable than the shield is, and has a shorter reset. I also prefer the sights on the xds, very tight, not a lot of play, and very visible with the fiber optic sight. Lastly I did like the fact that the xds had a rail on it for attaching a light if I wanted to.
But the comfort was the most important to me, the gun needs to be comfortable. So on my list for my shield is upgrading the sights and trigger, then I have what I want. I can live without a rail, I have a FS for that anyways.
Rgoodwin- the trigger is nice on the shield, and I am sure with more rounds through it, it will get better. Nice break, and reset. Wont regret it if you got one, I really like mine. Plus ergonomics feel great!
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I had both the Shield 40 and the xds 9mm, and I opted for the shield. I did not get to shoot the xds, I figured it would be easier to sell for what I purchased it for if I didnt shoot it, but the shield just felt a lot more comfortable in my hand. Changing the backstrap on the xds was a pain for sure, and was a little more comfortable with the smaller backstrap, but the gun just felt too square for me. The shield trigger is really nice, has a crisp break and reset, but I prefer the trigger on the xds. Its more predictable than the shield is, and has a shorter reset. I also prefer the sights on the xds, very tight, not a lot of play, and very visible with the fiber optic sight. Lastly I did like the fact that the xds had a rail on it for attaching a light if I wanted to.
But the comfort was the most important to me, the gun needs to be comfortable. So on my list for my shield is upgrading the sights and trigger, then I have what I want. I can live without a rail, I have a FS for that anyways.
Rgoodwin- the trigger is nice on the shield, and I am sure with more rounds through it, it will get better. Nice break, and reset. Wont regret it if you got one, I really like mine. Plus ergonomics feel great!
You bought the XDS and never shot it? I would of tried it out before making a final decision. The 45acp XDS I have is comfortable while shooting and it has to recoil more than the 9mm version.
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Bought both, got the shield first, felt so comfortable in my hand it was a no brainer. I didnt want to shoot the xds, especially after feeling that it just wasnt as comfortable as the shield was in my hand. My buddy bought it from me, so I will be able to shoot it pretty soon.
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Bought both, got the shield first, felt so comfortable in my hand it was a no brainer. I didnt want to shoot the xds, especially after feeling that it just wasnt as comfortable as the shield was in my hand. My buddy bought it from me, so I will be able to shoot it pretty soon.
Did you buy it online or did you buy it at a local shop? Did you ever touch one before buying?
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Bought it through a friend, and no I did not touch one before buying. It was a spur of the moment decision, one of those I must buy right now decisions.
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I have both the XDS45 and the Shield 9. To me the XDS doesn't recoil that much and this is the first 45 I have shot. In fact the shield 40 (to me) kicks more than the XDS45. The grip safety is a non issue. If you hold a gun properly it will not engage. I find it almost impossible to not fire because of the grip safety when I grab the gun. If it bothers you, please check your grip. The XDS is a fine firearm so is the shield. I carry both in a rotation. the XDS is more expensive but you get a nice plastic case, 2 mags, holster, mag carries, lock and cleaning brush. Its a classy set up. I just got cardboard box with my shield. both have had their growing pains but both of mine have been great so far. I would NOT shy away from an XDS or shield IMO. Is the XDS worth a $100 more? well, that's up to you. I love having a 45 in a small carry gun. in fact I am finding easier to conceal than the shield.
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You really should be comparing the xds 9mm and shield comparing the 45 to the shield really makes no sense at all.
As of late the 9mm has actually be outselling the 45
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I bought the shield first. It has been flawless and super accurate. I just picked up the XDS and it is plagued with problems right out of the box. Failure to return to battery, failure to feed, light primer strikes...mag locking back with rounds in it. Fuuuuuuuu.

I have a lot of other springfield guns and they have all been exceptional. I am really disappointed with my XDS. I'll give it another range trip before I send it back to SA. Hopefully, they make it right.

I'm sticking with my shield.
Exactly what happened to me. Bought the XDS 45 recently and it had light strikes and failed to return to battery off and on.

Oh - and once loaded it is a very very (very!) heavy gun for its size. Couldn't sell mine fast enough, and I wouldn't buy another one amd trust my life to it if they were selling them for $1.

My Shield so far had been flawless. And it's accurate, thin, and while still on the heavy side for pocket carry, rides effortlessly at the waist or is of unnoticed weight in a shoulder bag.
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Exactly what happened to me. Bought the XDS 45 recently and it had light strikes and failed to return to battery off and on.

Oh - and once loaded it is a very very (very!) heavy gun for its size. Couldn't sell mine fast enough, and I wouldn't buy another one amd trust my life to it if they were selling them for $1.

My Shield so far had been flawless. And it's accurate, thin, and while still on the heavy side for pocket carry, rides effortlessly at the waist or is of unnoticed weight in a shoulder bag.
Dont feel bad, my little brother did the same with his XDS. He shot my Shield .40 the first time and his XDS went up for sale. I found him a Shield .40 a week later and gave him a 9mm conversion barrel to go with. He's never been happier.

I went out and bought an XDS9 when they came out. Shot it a few, gave it to my ole lady to try out. She didnt like it, and neither did i that much. So i sold the XDS9 and found her a Shield in .40. I gave her the last 9mm conversion barrel I had for it. She's never been happier either.

So in the end we all 3 have a Shield .40 converted to 9mm. And now you couldnt give either of us an XDS after owning them both.
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Exactly what happened to me. Bought the XDS 45 recently and it had light strikes and failed to return to battery off and on.

Oh - and once loaded it is a very very (very!) heavy gun for its size. Couldn't sell mine fast enough, and I wouldn't buy another one amd trust my life to it if they were selling them for $1.

My Shield so far had been flawless. And it's accurate, thin, and while still on the heavy side for pocket carry, rides effortlessly at the waist or is of unnoticed weight in a shoulder bag.
Anyone would buy them for $1

I think the very slightly heavier weight helps with recoil, but I don't even notice it while carrying. When I had the 9mm Shield, it carried the same as the XDS45
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I think the very slightly heavier weight helps with recoil, but I don't even notice it while carrying. When I had the 9mm Shield, it carried the same as the XDS45
I also thought that with the XDS9 being 4oz heavier than the Shield, that the recoil would feel nicer, but when I shot the XDS9 side-by-side with my PF-9, Shield, G26 and my friend's LC9, the XDS9 (to me) felt more like the snappy PF-9 and LC9, where the Shield felt more like the smooth shooting G26. I tried the XDS9 again on my next outing just by itself and had to put it down after 25 rounds. My hand was starting to feel it. My Shield... I can shoot all day without my arthritic wrist feeling it.

I know... It's all subjective, but being a fan of the XD Line (and the Shield being the only M&P I actually liked), when the XDS9 came out, I was all ready to pounce on one, but after shooting them side-by-side, I decided to save my money and stick with the Shield.
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I also thought that with the XDS9 being 4oz heavier than the Shield, that the recoil would feel nicer, but when I shot the XDS9 side-by-side with my PF-9, Shield, G26 and my friend's LC9, the XDS9 (to me) felt more like the snappy PF-9 and LC9, where the Shield felt more like the smooth shooting G26. I tried the XDS9 again on my next outing just by itself and had to put it down after 25 rounds. My hand was starting to feel it. My Shield... I can shoot all day without my arthritic wrist feeling it.

I know... It's all subjective, but being a fan of the XD Line (and the Shield being the only M&P I actually liked), when the XDS9 came out, I was all ready to pounce on one, but after shooting them side-by-side, I decided to save my money and stick with the Shield.
It is very subjective. I had a PF-9 and G26, but as far as slim carry guns go, the PF9 was as snappy as they get, but nowhere near my XDS45.

I actually feel the XDS45 has less recoil with a 2 finger grip than a full metal Officer or Defender size 1911 in 45acp. I'm surprised to hear that the heavier, yet similar sized 9mm XDS is as bad as the PF9. I really need to find one to rent and test it out myself.
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I have an XDS45 an XDS9 and now a new Shield9. I have to say that without being able to shoot them back to back, my hand tells me the Shield recoils more than the XDS in the same caliber. YYMV

if Springfield ever returns my pistols I will do a side by side and update you.
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