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Old 10-05-2012, 04:21 PM
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My dealer just received a Springfield XDs that I ordered and upon examining it I was very impressed. Holding it side by side with my Shield the things are virtually the same size. The XDs feels good in hand as does my Shield and the trigger has a similar reset. I opted for the stainless slide so I won't be sending this one to Robar. Makes me wonder, will a 45 Shield be coming next? If Springfield can fit the 45acp into such a small envelope I'm sure S&W can to. I have an M&P45c which is a truly excellent pistol but would love to see the Shield in this calibre. Competition drives the market and is a good thing.
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I seriously doubt that we'll see a 45ACP Shield. The 9mm shield and 45ACP xds are quite different shooters. I opted for the XDS as most say the 40 shield is very snappy. Comparing the two, the shield 9mm is much more enjoyable to shoot and may well be used for "other than essential" shooting. My XDs will never be shot for "fun".. Just enough to ensure functionality and carry ammo proofing.. JMO.. Ron
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Those XD(M)'s are amazing. I haven't gotten my hands on the Shield yet.

Which do yo find more accurate?
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I also doubt we'd see a .45 Shield. It's much easier to 'design down' from a .45 to smaller calibers than it is to design up from 9/40 to a 45. Of course... If the XD-S becomes Really popular, S&W could surprise us and come out with a .45 Shield. With all the initial issues I've read about over on the XD-Talk forum, it may be a while before the XD-S really gains momentum.

In shooting the XD-S side by side with my old PF-9 , G26 and Shield, I'd consider the XD-S's recoil to be similar in feel to the recoil of a PF-9/LC9 (rather rough, but not bad at all for a subcompact 45) and the recoil of the Shield to be closer to that of the G-26.

While I enjoy shooting my Shield all range session long, as Hohopelli wrote, I'd never consider an XD-S as a 'Shoot for Fun' kinda pistol... More of a 'Shoot enough to keep up proficiency and put it away' kinda pistol, like my PF-9 was.

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Exactly.. I think the accuracy is about the same for me.. Oddly.. I've installed a XS bigdot on the shield and I'm still adjusting to that. The XDs is every bit as accurate, just a lot more punishing.. IMO.. Ron
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I got the Shield first and then a XDS - my LGS just got in a XDS with the stainless slide and I am very tempted to add it to the collection. My XDS shoots great and maybe a little more accurate than the 9mm Shield. I find it snappy but controllable.
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The only thing I have to compare the XDs to 45acp wise is my M&P45c which is a joy to shoot. I bought a Kahr compact 45 when they first came out and it was snappy to say the least. That Kahr was eventually traded to a friend who liked it more than I did. Watching several YouTube videos "Hickok 45" has a couple good ones with the XDs and you have to love his personal range.
Again the amazing aspect of the XDs is the size, I was expecting it to be a lot larger that the Shield but it's nearly identical in size. Taking it apart it exhibits great build quality and the stainless slide is beautifully machined. So far not having fired it I like it and think it will make for a great CCW.
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The only thing I have to compare the XDs to 45acp wise is my M&P45c which is a joy to shoot. I bought a Kahr compact 45 when they first came out and it was snappy to say the least. That Kahr was eventually traded to a friend who liked it more than I did. Watching several YouTube videos "Hickok 45" has a couple good ones with the XDs and you have to love his personal range.
Again the amazing aspect of the XDs is the size, I was expecting it to be a lot larger that the Shield but it's nearly identical in size. Taking it apart it exhibits great build quality and the stainless slide is beautifully machined. So far not having fired it I like it and think it will make for a great CCW.
I agree.. The build quality of my XDs is exceptional. I have a "bunch-O-45's" and I can tell ya, the XDs will rock you back.. A hundred rounds and my elbow and shoulder know that something has happened.. Cheers.. Ron
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I highly doubt u'll see the Shield in a .45. Simply because the most people who buy a shield, use it for CC. And the majority of buyers lean more towards the 9mm for that purpose. Those of us who have a .40 Shield are the few that just want to leave a bigger hole, lol.

Also, you will find the Bass Pro and Cabellas seem to keep the XDS in stock and on display. Our local Cabellas is currently on their 2nd shipment and they have stated its not anywhere near the seller of the 9mm Shield........And i would assume, thats because its a .45ACP. IMO, the 9mm of the Shield is also more user friendly with the women who CC.
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Smitty,
I'll bet that has something to do with the price also. I paid $341 for my Shield 9 and the XDs was $548 from the same dealer. S&W was smart pricing the Shields low and a $200 difference has to be a factor. The XDs isn't cheap.

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I highly doubt u'll see the Shield in a .45. Simply because the most people who buy a shield, use it for CC. And the majority of buyers lean more towards the 9mm for that purpose. Those of us who have a .40 Shield are the few that just want to leave a bigger hole, lol.

Also, you will find the Bass Pro and Cabellas seem to keep the XDS in stock and on display. Our local Cabellas is currently on their 2nd shipment and they have stated its not anywhere near the seller of the 9mm Shield........And i would assume, thats because its a .45ACP. IMO, the 9mm of the Shield is also more user friendly with the women who CC.
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:51 PM
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The Shield isn't cheap anymore either! $399-$449 when there's actually one to buy.. Ron
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Only reason I'd buy a 45 ACP Shield would be to add to my collection. It would be a hand biting beast shooting 45 ACP in that small of a platform.
Almost like shooting 444 in a Contender....
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I purchased a XDS last month to replace my G26. I wanted something thinner as I am a slim guy. My buddy had one and I liked what I saw so I purchased my own. Well I sold it Friday and purchased a M&P Shield 9mm. What made me get rid of the XDS was when I took it to the range for some defensive shooting drills. 10 rounds at 10 yards with the G26 as fast as I could acquire the target. All shots center mass. I then tried the same with my Smith 442 J-frame. 4 center mass and 1 high on the left shoulder. Lastly I tried the XDS. NO shots on target. I drew from the holster with all 3 guns. The XDS is a great shooter when taking your time. FOR ME, this is not the gun to use in a defensive situation as I know from practicing with it that I may not hit my target. The gun is a handful when shot fast as one may encounter in a defensive situation. I've been shooting for over 25 years. 22 years of that in the military, so my technique is sound. If you are going to carry this gun or any gun as a defensive weapon, please make sure that you can hit with it.
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I bought the shield first. It has been flawless and super accurate. I just picked up the XDS and it is plagued with problems right out of the box. Failure to return to battery, failure to feed, light primer strikes...mag locking back with rounds in it. Fuuuuuuuu.

I have a lot of other springfield guns and they have all been exceptional. I am really disappointed with my XDS. I'll give it another range trip before I send it back to SA. Hopefully, they make it right.

I'm sticking with my shield.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:53 AM
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I just don't like the grip safety on the XDS. It's not a 1911 that have longer grip safeties and for me there have been times that the gun hasn't fired because I wasn't holding high enough in a defensive format drill. If this is a ccw gun then I'm not going to take that chance.
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Could you do me a favor and take some pictures of the XD and shield side by side, so I can see.
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Just did a side by side of the two pistols...I may need to get the XDs due to the fact that I prefer 45ACP.
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:00 PM
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You're not alone in your preference for the 45acp chambering. Springfield did a very good job making a pistol in that proven caliber for the ever growing concealed carry market. I like the features this pistol has. The grip safety depresses naturally as you grip the pistol. That and with the combination of the firing pin block makes for a very safe design. The only way for this pistol to discharge is by purposely pulling the trigger. The checkering on the grip is very aggressive which I like in this small of a carry pistol. A 45 is going to have heavier recoil than a 9mm, so I don't want it slipping and sliding in my hand. Obviously this is not going to be the type of pistol you shoot all day at the range. So I'm looking forward to see how comfortably I can go through say 100 rounds at a time.
My M&P45c is a very comfortable pistol to shoot during a long range session and with the size difference of the XDs I know it's going to be less so. I'll report back soon after a range session. I'd still love to see a Shield 45.
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Just did a side by side of the two pistols...I may need to get the XDs due to the fact that I prefer 45ACP.
... and that's about what it boils down to for many buyers... Whether you want a subcompact .45, or are happy with the subcompact 9/40 platform. That and being willing to learn the XD-S's idiosyncrasies.

Both have about the same round capacity and external safeties. Some prefer the grip safety, while others prefer a thumb safety. I prefer a grip safety, but I can live with simply leaving the Shield's thumb safety in the 'fire' position.

Not to ruffle any feathers, but... While there has been some tweaking done due to mechanical issues, Most of the problems associated with the XD-S that have been returned for service have been categorized as 'Not Reproducible By The Technicians'. This seems to be their way of saying 'User Error'. The XD-S appears to be one of those platforms that a person needs to learn from scratch, regardless of how long they've been shooting, or what other pistols they've had no issues with. If needing to learn a pistol from scratch and not carrying it until it's been mastered is a turn-off, or a deal breaker, oh well... Another 'Plus' for the Shield.

There are a few great threads at the XD-Talk forum in the XD-S Section.
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I shot my friends XDS with absolutely no problems. So I decide to buy one and its malfunction city.

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Shield .40 vs. XDs? I've got both now and I'd have to say I like shooting the XDs more than the Shield. My Shield had the mag drop issue but no more, and I do like shooting it. My XDs has had no issues of any kind, 150 rounds in 2 trips to the range. I think the Shield has more barrel flip than the XDs and I find the XDs grip more comfortable. That's my .2 cents...
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Man, you guys are going to make me spend more money. I'm more of a rifle, but bought the shield because of all the great reviews. Now, I find myself wanting the XDs.

At some point, I need to start working on my 300 blackout project.
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The biggest down-side to the XD-S is that looks like Springfield's not doing their Gear Up program this year.
The Gear Up program used to get you 3 extra Free mags and Mag Pouch if you purchased between Sept and Dec. Considering how difficult it is to find spare mags for new pistols (like we've seen with the Shield), it would have been a nice little guarantee to having spare mags.
Oh well..
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As fast as pistols are selling I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to paper cases and no extras.. Ron
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The sales guy told me the on their other XD pistols Springfield was offering a basic kit that didn't include the accessories
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The XDs comes with a large, plastic case, two 5 round magazines, a double magazine holder and a paddle holster. I bought two 7 round mags from Springfield when I walked in to have the sights changed (from OEM fiber optic to Trijicon 3-dot tritiums).

I have over 400 rounds through it, and the only hitches were due to handload XTPs which were too long (1.260", the OAL needs to be 1.230" or less for XTPs).
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Yes.. They're called the 'Essentials' package. The savings between the standard set and the Essentials set is only about $30 though.
What the Gear-Up program did was get you 3 extra mags, above & beyond the original 2 that comes with the pistol (so 5 total).

The holster & mag pouch that comes with the XD/XDM line are not top notch, but they're definitely good enough for the range if you frequent a range that lets you draw and fire and are good enough for novice USPSA/IDPA participation.
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Just made it to the range with two friends who wanted to try my new XDs. Friend number one brought his Shield 40 and friend two brought his M&P40c with his 357 Sig barrel installed. Between the three of us we put 300 rounds through the XDs. First off I have to report that the XDs was 100% reliable with everything we shot in it including some old left over ammo. The pistol shot perfectly to the POA with 230 grn ammo at 7,10 amd 15 yards. Here a list of the ammo we tried.
50 rnds Federal 230 grn FMJ
50 rnds Federal 230 grn FMJ Match
50 rnds Winchester 230 grn FMJ GI Ball
50 rnds Federal 230 grn HST
20 rnds Speer 200 grn JHP (this was the old flying ashtray load)
20 rnds Winchester 230 JHP Black Talon (old and expensive)
20 rnds Winchester 230 JHP Silvertip (old stuff)
40 rnds of assorted grab bag stuff from partial boxes we all had laying around.
The XDs was cleaned and lubricated the night before as I don't like shooting any pistol straight out of the box as they come from the factory.
Reliability...... Perfect, even with some 30 year old ammunition. It runs beautifully just like our M&Ps.
Accuracy....... We shot at combat distances starting out at 7 to 15 yards. At 7 yards we all shot one big ragged hole and we all really liked the sights on this pistol. The front fiber optic in daylight is so easy to pick up Ray Charles could see it.
Trigger........ The trigger was better than previous XDs I've shot with a very short reset. The pull I would estimate was between 5 & 6 pounds and crisp after a short takeup. The reset is similar to the Shields and definately better than the M&P compacts.
Grip........ The grip is aggressively checkered but it is not sharp. I did most of the shooting at about 175 rounds and the palm of my hand was a little red. But surprisingly the recoil is more of a shove than a snap. I thought it would be a beast, but it wasn't. All three of us were pleasantly surprised with the recoil, followup shots were easy. The recoil was obviously heavier than my Shield 9 but not as sharp as my friends Shield 40. The M&P 357c, now that was the least comfortable pistol we shot, that one really smacks you and is not something you'd want to shoot all afternoon. Any 45 this size is going to have a substantial recoil but again this one was more of a push back than a sharp snap like the 357 Sig. No +P loads were tried as we didn't want to punish ourselved and really I don't think they are necessary in a 45 ACP. I really like the Federal HST load and that will be used for carry.
Summary...... For anyone looking for a CCW in 45 ACP I recommend giving the XDs a look. All three of us liked the pistol and all were impressed with how accurate it was. This initial outing was mainly to see if the gun would be reliable and to get the feel of it. My next range session I'll settle down and really check the accuracy and do some bullet expansion tests. I demand 100% reliability in any handgun I'm considering carrying. Those old Speer flying ashtrays wouldn't feed through a lot of semi autos, especially small ones, but this XDs ate them and everything else. Cleaning the pistol was aided by the stainless steel slide, a wet toothbrush with Hoppes No 9 and everything wiped off easily. When you have this pistol apart the build quality is apparent with good attention to detail.
So there you have it. I found this pistol to be totally reliable, very accurate and surprisingly comfortable to shoot. I like the idea of a 45 in a package the same size as my Shield. I really like this pistol.

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Yes.. They're called the 'Essentials' package. The savings between the standard set and the Essentials set is only about $30 though.
What the Gear-Up program did was get you 3 extra mags, above & beyond the original 2 that comes with the pistol (so 5 total).

The holster & mag pouch that comes with the XD/XDM line are not top notch, but they're definitely good enough for the range if you frequent a range that lets you draw and fire and are good enough for novice USPSA/IDPA participation.
I sold my last for sets of "SA gear stuff" on GB and have listed this set with the hard case as well. The stuff does work and would be OK for certain situations. Cheers.. Ron
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Those xds's must have good and bad batches. I can't get my little brothers .45 to do **** for accuracy. And thats taking time to aim down the range and be sure its on target. Now if i shoot the whole mag, i surely cant get it to hit much. Maybe its just too much in a small frame for my small hands.

Both my shields (9mm and .40), i dont seem to have any problem with. Maybe it's the trigger pull, maybe its the grip, or maybe its just the .45 in a small frame. No matter what I try to do with it, it just doesnt work well enough for me to consider it as my carry weapon.

IMO, if i wanted something of such caliber and frame as everyday carry. I'd have to chose my more reliable, more accurate .357 snubby. I seem to have way better luck with it than i do with the xds. But as i said, it could be a number of things that just "isn't for me".

PS: Now if they ever consider making a 9mm (maybe .40, but i dunno). Then you may well see me grab one.

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I think there is just a point of diminishing returns when trying to put larger calibers in smaller handguns. The obvious first sacrifice is capacity, followed by recoil. (Felt recoil is a subjective element, of course...some feel it more, some don't as much.)

While I personally favor the .45 ACP round, I prefer it in a 1911 (Commander or Full Size), a SIG P220, or a M&P 45 (FS or C.) I have looked at the XDs in a local shop, and it is just too small, IMO. For me, the Shield 9mm is the best concealed carry pistol I have ever had.

For home defense, or for times when I am just carrying in my car and not on me, I still prefer a .45 as mentioned above. However, for the right combination of round and size for a CCW pistol, I think the Shield 9mm is it for me.
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I don't think you can go wrong with either caliber. The 45acp has a cult like following and the XDs just gives us another concealed carry option. To me the Shield 9 and M&P9c are near perfect carry options but I do like the idea of a small 45 also, and the XDs is an attractive package.


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I think there is just a point of diminishing returns when trying to put larger calibers in smaller handguns. The obvious first sacrifice is capacity, followed by recoil. (Felt recoil is a subjective element, of course...some feel it more, some don't as much.)

While I personally favor the .45 ACP round, I prefer it in a 1911 (Commander or Full Size), a SIG P220, or a M&P 45 (FS or C.) I have looked at the XDs in a local shop, and it is just too small, IMO. For me, the Shield 9mm is the best concealed carry pistol I have ever had.

For home defense, or for times when I am just carrying in my car and not on me, I still prefer a .45 as mentioned above. However, for the right combination of round and size for a CCW pistol, I think the Shield 9mm is it for me.
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Not to cool here yet so I made another range trip and put another 150 rounds through my XDs. I have to say, the more I shoot this pistol the more I like it. As you can see the edges have been melted or rounded for ease of handling and comfort. I've been carrying the XDs in an IWB holster and lately been carrying it more than my M&P. This 45 has no real competition which is why I still think S&W with come out with a 45 Shield. I still plan on keeping my M&P45c as I love 45s, you can't have to many.
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I'll bet that has something to do with the price also. I paid $341 for my Shield 9
Wow, I'd support that gun store for the rest of my life. The stores pay $325 for the Shield [I know because I see the packing slips at work] so he made $16 on that sale. A 5% mark up. How does he stay in business? GARY
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Actually the store I bought mine has been an LE S&W distributor for decades. I heard that he charges 10% over his cost on all S&Ws.
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UPDATE: After my XDS hit 250 rounds, all the malfunctions magically went away!!? What the? haha And I was just about to send it back to springfield.

Factory bulk packs from federal, atlanta arms reloads, hollow points, hornady xtp's...it feeds them all, and it is a TACK DRIVER!

I'm so glad I stuck with it. Rough beginning, but happy ending. Guess there really was a "break-in" period.



was shooting left on this one on my XTP reloads for some reason.



and a quick video of shooting it.

Test fire Springfield XDS 45 ACP with PRP trigger spring kit - YouTube
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Haven't shot an XDs, but it's the only non S&W handgun I currently covet. I love my shield, but wouldn't mind adding an XDs to the mix.
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The initial reason I went with Shield over the XDs was that Id be payiing 150 more for holsters I'd never use. Ever.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:39 AM
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Shield 9mm = 8 rounds

XDS 45 acp = 6 rounds

Two extra rounds in about the same size weapon is enough to convince me to go Shield 9mm.

I have also read complaints with quick deployment if you don't have a good grip on the XDs you will not disengage the grip safety. (I find it real easy with a pocket size weapon when drawing in a hurry from the pocket to not grip the weapon properly. I have never missed sweeping the safety on my Shield even if I don't have a good grip.)

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UPDATE: After my XDS hit 250 rounds, all the malfunctions magically went away!!? What the? haha And I was just about to send it back to springfield.

Factory bulk packs from federal, atlanta arms reloads, hollow points, hornady xtp's...it feeds them all, and it is a TACK DRIVER!

I'm so glad I stuck with it. Rough beginning, but happy ending. Guess there really was a "break-in" period.
Yeah... With many (if not most) Subcompacts, it's kinda foolish to make a snap decision before putting at LEAST 250 rounds through them. Some manufacturers actually recommend 500 rounds, while others don't consider the pistol broken in before 1K.

While I was happy right off the bat with my Shield, I did notice that the trigger got even nicer after 300-400 rounds.
Makes me glad that I didn't spend the money on any trigger kits.
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Shield .40 vs. XDs? I've got both now and I'd have to say I like shooting the XDs more than the Shield. My Shield had the mag drop issue but no more, and I do like shooting it. My XDs has had no issues of any kind, 150 rounds in 2 trips to the range. I think the Shield has more barrel flip than the XDs and I find the XDs grip more comfortable. That's my .2 cents...
I had a Shield in 9mm and just recently sold it. Ended up purchasing an XDs on a fluke (not why I originally sold the Shield). Out of the two, I truly enjoy shooting the XDs more than I had the Shield. I've only had it out once, but had no failures and I was more accurate with it than my Shield. The sights are excellent, and like you, I experienced less "flip" than the Shield. I've had an XDm in the past and did not care for the grip safety. For some reason, with the ergos of the XDs, the grip safety is a true non-issue.

Both are fine handguns, I just think the XDs is more fun to shoot personally.
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I bought the shield first. It has been flawless and super accurate. I just picked up the XDS and it is plagued with problems right out of the box. Failure to return to battery, failure to feed, light primer strikes...mag locking back with rounds in it. Fuuuuuuuu.

I have a lot of other springfield guns and they have all been exceptional. I am really disappointed with my XDS. I'll give it another range trip before I send it back to SA. Hopefully, they make it right.

I'm sticking with my shield.
Top trainers don't particularly care for the XD line due to issues that plague them more often than the M&P line. Looks and feel isn't everything. Reliability and longevity is.
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Top trainers don't particularly care for the XD line due to issues that plague them more often than the M&P line. Looks and feel isn't everything. Reliability and longevity is.
Where are you coming up with this? I've owned an XDm before. Out of all the rounds I shot through it, it had 1 failure to eject due to an underpowered load. From what I've read, that's most other people's experiences as well. I only own the XDs currently from Springfield, but have never had an issue with the XD line of pistols in terms of reliability.

The M&P, Glock, and XD line of pistols all have "defects" that have risen over the years. It's going to happen in any mass-produced firearm, as these aren't handmade customs. Just because I've read someone online posting about how their Glock blew up, their M&P can't hit a barn, or their XD won't feed a round, doesn't mean I buy any of it. These are isolated cases, and as said before these are mass produced firearms that are going to have a margin of defect inherent in their production.

I think you're making a very broad statement with no factual basis. Glocks and M&Ps probably are selected and used more in shooting events, but I strongly doubt it's because of reliability. It probably has to do with initial cost of the firearm (XD line is typically more expensive), aftermarket support, and ergonomic preference.
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Top trainers don't particularly care for the XD line due to issues that plague them more often than the M&P line. Looks and feel isn't everything. Reliability and longevity is.
Pretty sure its more the fact that their students are more likely to use Glock/M&P. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the XD line of pistols. Stop spreading disinformation.
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Pretty sure its more the fact that their students are more likely to use Glock/M&P. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the XD line of pistols. Stop spreading disinformation.
+1 BBS1...
That's a pretty broad ans sweeping statement... What 'issues' with the XD Line are you referring to kris?
If there were any major issues, they'd be discussed ad-nauseum on the XD Forums.
I've had a few XD variants (along with other brands) over the years and have not experienced any issues with XD (or XDM), or even read about major issues with the line.
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Pretty sure its more the fact that their students are more likely to use Glock/M&P. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the XD line of pistols. Stop spreading disinformation.
I am going on what I have been told by a top firearms trainer's experience that the XD's fail more frequently in classes compared to M&Ps and 3rd gen Glocks with hard use and longevity. Ever notice what the trainers carry and train with them selves what they recommend? Mostly Glock or M&P. There is a reason ..

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I am going on what I have been told by a top firearms trainer's experience that the XD's fail more frequently in classes compared to M&Ps and 3rd gen Glocks with hard use and longevity. Ever notice what the trainers carry and train with them selves what they recommend? Mostly Glock or M&P. There is a reason ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTVrLy6sOXQ
Did you really just use a youtube video of costa to justify that xd's are inferior? He makes parts for the m&p line and profits from it. You think he's going to endorse xd's? Didnt think so. Btw, hes also known to be originally a 1911 nighthawk user.
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Did you really just use a youtube video of costa to justify that xd's are inferior? He makes parts for the m&p line and profits from it. You think he's going to endorse xd's? Didnt think so. Btw, hes also known to be originally a 1911 nighthawk user.
Costa does NOT make parts for the M&P. Doug Holloway from ATEi in Taylor Michigan does.
Again .. what is YOUR experience? Level of training and how often you shoot? Want to know what is considered the most reliable guns .. then just notice what top tier trainers recommend and carry themselves. That would be Glock and M&P (notice I said Glock too) I don't pay much attention to sales advertising and gimmicky pitches. I DO listen to a few well recognized trainers in my area who love nothing more then to get their hands on a new gun to prove the reliability of it on the range. This is what I listen to, not internet bravado because it looks cool there for it must be a good gun.

BTW .. Costa did a special run of full size M&P's only 25 made a vision of his dream gun. Doug Holloway from ATEi MADE them. It was a JOINT venture that were sold on line through emails. It was a first come first serve who were able to buy one.

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My M&P9c top rear and side finger serration done by ATEi 2 1/2 years ago.



Shield 9 .. trigger work done by Doug at ATEi last April and Doug set the Trijicon HD M&P sights on too. Full serrations and re melonite done later in May.

I did the stippling on both myself.



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You really sound like a youtube costa fanboy. Chris Costa's company, literally, makes a part (and upcoming parts) for the m&p. Ever hear of the costa catalyst? You think he endorses atei out of goodwill? You think he's allowing atei to use costas name on a gun simply to promote his company? He's a business man and youre obviously one of the people hes catering towards.

Sorry, but stipling/serrating/rmr'ing/apex'ing your gun does not make you a seasoned shooter. I'll spend my money on ammo and get good with the stock gun.

But none of this has anything to do with the original discussion. There is nothing wrong with the XD line of pistols so please stop spreading disinformation!
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